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Earwicker posted:so like..people are going around the barriers because they want to go gawk at the accident site? or people going around the barriers because they think this is some government conspiracy and the bridge isn't really out or...something? PROBABLY the first one but this is Baltimore so impossible to be sure.
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there's also the third option of 'something is in their way and they are not having that, NOT TODAY'
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https://twitter.com/cdoddKC/status/1772600839128920136 Flimsy bridge was flimsy. Not that I expect fenders that small to stop a ship that big, it would need better protection. But you know, protection cost money. We hear about how so many bridges all over need repairs and updates, this is a good example. This is why they say rules and laws are written in blood.
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The Dali was 95000 tons, empty. There were no fenders or maintenance (on the bridge) that would stop this.
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The Last Call posted:https://twitter.com/cdoddKC/status/1772600839128920136 Fenders don't exactly have to stop the ship, if you look they are angled towards the most likely direction the ship would be approaching, they just need to push the ship away or redirect it away from whatever they protect, not necessarily stop it. In fact its easier to redirect something bearing down with that much force than stop it.
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Maybe if the fenders were built out far enough it could have slowed it down and taken the brunt of the damage to where at least maybe it wouldn’t have been a square hit to the support? I don’t know.
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I eagerly await a Mythbusters episode where they design and test some bumpers and deflectors that can protect a structure from 100,000 tons moving at 20 kts.
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AndrewP posted:Maybe if the fenders were built out far enough it could have slowed it down and taken the brunt of the damage to where at least maybe it wouldn’t have been a square hit to the support? I don’t know. I mean that's how guardrails work normally - absorb the energy at the sacrifice of their integrity.
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What if they made the entire bridge out of fenders?
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Forget fenders were mountin rail guns to every bridge in America bb. Next time some Sri Lankan motherfuckers want to play well show em.
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Looks like there’s already a fundraising event set up to raise money for a new bridge. Google “Baltimore Key Party” to find out more.
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Another Bill posted:When I was a kid, my friend told me I had to check out this show called The A-Team on channel 5, but he had cable and I didn't so instead I got to watch a terrible disaster movie called The Night The Bridge Fell Down. In a similar vein, Smash-Up on Interstate 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wlsc2cs-P0
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Also the farther out you build the fenders the wider they've got to be, which makes the channels narrower and harder to navigate. Ultimately the best system would be a serious of undersea tunnels to ship cargo - I know this guy Elon who has a company that can help.
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Three Olives posted:What if they made the entire bridge out of fenders? You mean like a guitar bridge?
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everybody trying to figure out how to prevent a 95000 ton ship from destroying anything it hits are cute
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Skip the supports and suspend the whole bridge from huge pyramids on either side of the river.
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GolfHole posted:everybody trying to figure out how to prevent a 95000 ton ship from destroying anything it hits are cute I can't believe the engineers didn't think of it! Just put up a barrier to stop the giant drifting ship! DUH!
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Radio! posted:Bridge wasn't closed, the Fire Department didn't even know it had collapsed until like 6 minutes after getting dispatched to a call for a "possible vehicle in the water". this is crazy thanks
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That bridge possessed the footage from Jeffrey Epstein's cell the night he died
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GolfHole posted:everybody trying to figure out how to prevent a 95000 ton ship from destroying anything it hits are cute You put the supports two hundred meters back on shore and make the bridge super tall. Then you use an infinitely rigid super structure. Frankly, this is so easy I don't know why people haven't done it before.
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GolfHole posted:everybody trying to figure out how to prevent a 95000 ton ship from destroying anything it hits are cute Maybe they should build the bridge out of 95000 ton ships so that anything that runs into it gets destroyed instead.
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what if we stopped using engines on the ships and each ship just had a really long rope that's attached to where they need to go and they just pull the rope to get there
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People be like "what if we raked the forests" itt
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If I saw a big ship coming towards a bridge I would simply open the drain
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Boats shouldn't hit bridges I'm thinking???
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Handsome Ralph posted:It was closed with like a minute or two to spare, except for the DOT guys working on the bridge. In the OP you can literally see at least 4 semi trucks and a few passenger vehicles cross within a minute of the collapse, even if that video is sped up. Very skeptical of this claim. Like I was rooting for the cars crossing as the ship is seconds from collision and multiple other people in this thread have noted the same thought.
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marxismftw posted:People be like "what if we raked the forests" itt please, we're talking about ships here, not forests. What if we raked the ships?
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maybe if we made things simpler and fabricated them locally out of stuff that could be sourced nearby and reused things instead of buying new things each year and generally didn't rely on buying things so much perhaps there wouldn't be so many bridge demolishing ships in the harbor.
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Jelly posted:In the OP you can literally see at least 4 semi trucks and a few passenger vehicles cross within a minute of the collapse, even if that video is sped up. Very skeptical of this claim. There were about 4 minutes of warning and the portion of the bridge that could be closed off is probably about 2-3 miles, especially on the east side. The traffic clearing the bridge right before the collision were already at or past the point they could close when the warning came in.
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We should place rakes around key infrastructure so anyone looking to gently caress with our poo poo steps on them and gets hit in the face, boats included
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biznatchio posted:please, we're talking about ships here, not forests. Fool! You rake the water.
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frumpykvetchbot posted:maybe if we made things simpler and fabricated them locally out of stuff that could be sourced nearby well, i hear shipping containers are a popular new building material, and sources are suggesting there's an ample supply of this local resource very nearby to where a new bridge will need to be built.
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Or build a tunnel and create the potential for a different type of tragedy.
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Mr trashwheel has his work cut out for him for awhile. Poor guy.
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DiomedesGodshill posted:Or build a tunnel and create the potential for a different type of tragedy. There already is a tunnel under that river.
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Jelly posted:In the OP you can literally see at least 4 semi trucks and a few passenger vehicles cross within a minute of the collapse, even if that video is sped up. Very skeptical of this claim. But, people drive around the gates to cross train tracks all the time. Just having a sign saying bridge closed is unlikely to deter quite a few motorists.
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The_Franz posted:There already is a tunnel under that river. Two, in fact And they are about to get an insane influx of traffic which was already bad
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The_Franz posted:There already is a tunnel under that river. Well I'll be darned. There are several! But then....why bridge? I'm guessing the answer is "tunnel too expensive". Welp. Edit: bridge allow hazardous materials, tunnels do not. DiomedesGodshill fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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SLICK GOKU BABY posted:But, people drive around the gates to cross train tracks all the time. Just having a sign saying bridge closed is unlikely to deter quite a few motorists. people drive around train gates because they think they can beat the train. which is stupid, but a different kind of stupid than thinking you can do anything about a huge bridge being completely gone edit: sorry i thought we were talking about the people still trying to go there not the people on the bridge before it collapsed
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DiomedesGodshill posted:Well I'll be darned. There are several! But then....why bridge? I'm guessing the answer is "tunnel too expensive". Welp. The bridge was further down the river than the tunnels. The tunnels cross the harbor up nearer to the city, while the bridge was part of the beltway route around the outskirts of the city. Depending on where you're going, the bridge was much faster than driving up and around until you hit one of the tunnels. As for "why not tunnel instead of bridge" it's a pretty long distance and was probably much more expensive, especially at the time the bridge was built.
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