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was reading Khalidi’s the 100 Years War on Palestine and there’s a section near the end where he lists off this long list of PLO members assassinated by Israel. guess they never bothered with ABBAs, for obvious reasons. fake edit: leaving the autocorrect as is
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hadji murad posted:was reading Khalidi’s the 100 Years War on Palestine and there’s a section near the end where he lists off this long list of PLO members assassinated by Israel. they took a chance on him
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hadji murad posted:was reading Khalidi’s the 100 Years War on Palestine and there’s a section near the end where he lists off this long list of PLO members assassinated by Israel. reading this too at the moment and great. really clearly reframes Israel as a colonial project, and makes you furious
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his "iron cage" was my intro to the issue when it came out years and years ago.
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VoicesCanBe posted:Lmao. Have only gotten through some of the thread but this is great already. "Fav" parts quote:Bonnell has taken a decidedly different approach. In addition to multiple hours-long podcasts broadcast before the event, he began relitigating the discussion from virtually the moment it ended. quote:Full disclosure: I was at the time unaware that Bonnell had in previous podcasts identified himself as “pro-genocide” with respect to Israel’s mass killings of Palestinians. quote:Purportedly basing his views on the legal definition of apartheid (“separateness”), Bonnell asserted that Jim Crow did not constitute apartheid, but that Arab states that have not extended citizenship to Palestinian refugees in their territory is a clear example of this crime. quote:What is certain is that he is entirely unaware that Jim Crow served as a model and inspiration for the South African white-minority regime’s racist policies, which bequeathed us the term and crime of apartheid. Also the whole dolus specialis thing and not knowing that it is a subset of mens rea.
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...0000#1781888624quote:A State Department official working on human rights in the issues in the Middle East resigned in protest of the Biden administration's policies on the Israel-Gaza war — the third U.S. official to publicly cite such reasons for their departure.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html https://archive.ph/e5gYV IDF is using AI facial recognition in gaza to identify hamas members, it's incorrectly identifying random people as members of hamas
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Malloc Voidstar posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html killdrones automatically taking out IDF soldiers when the face recognition "AI" inadvertently tags one of them as Hamas
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Malloc Voidstar posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html "Incorrectly" This is the IDF. All Palestinians are Hamas in their eyes.
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Shageletic posted:"Fav" parts how do you even make a joke about this yeh I identify as pro-epstein
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Malloc Voidstar posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html No I think the system is functioning exactly as intended
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Chillgamesh posted:Dude at 26 seconds seems to be throwing an ork stikkbomb, what the hell is that grenade lol Why DONT Americans have free healthcare?!!!?!!!
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Retromancer posted:"Incorrectly" this is arguably the entire purpose of facial recognition technology and similar (like the stupid "we put in the criminal's DNA and it spits out their picture" poo poo) for security agencies, it's not to ACTUALLY to find specific individuals wanted for specific reasons, but rather to broadly legitimize arbitrarily arresting and shooting people and to decouple that from any directly responsible human authority. It's the Reichenau Order but without needing a Reichenau.
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Shageletic posted:(Bonnell also lamented that he missed a "gang bang" to participate in the debate.) L M A O
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hailthefish posted:this is arguably the entire purpose of facial recognition technology and similar (like the stupid "we put in the criminal's DNA and it spits out their picture" poo poo) for security agencies, it's not to ACTUALLY to find specific individuals wanted for specific reasons, but rather to broadly legitimize arbitrarily arresting and shooting people and to decouple that from any directly responsible human authority. It's the Reichenau Order but without needing a Reichenau. There were at least two separate ones to “predict re-offending” rates and when some leaker or investigative report got access to the results they showed just identified if it was a mugshot or not and the other pretty much just told you how darned skinned the person was.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:There were at least two separate ones to “predict re-offending” rates and when some leaker or investigative report got access to the results they showed just identified if it was a mugshot or not and the other pretty much just told you how darned skinned the person was. yeah these are almost always just computer-administered paper bag tests under the hood
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Doktor Avalanche posted:L M A O im sure his ex still attended
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Shageletic posted:"Fav" parts I appreciate them showing how dumb and craven Destiny is. And also, find Destiny's argument dumb even if he had been right. I get that the legal definition of genocide includes specific intent, but bombing hospitals and mass starvation is depraved even without specific genocidal intent. Just seems like getting caught in the weeds when there is an acknowledgement that Israel is willfully causing mass civilian death and suffering.
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https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/202...ad-d2a5dbb40000 Paul soccer had something about this
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https://fxtwitter.com/willmenaker/status/1772651721430339647?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://fxtwitter.com/willmenaker/status/1772651721430339647?s=46&t=UyfxoSAUKW7QZlR_GhkuYA this guy rules
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The one good Stanford student
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Jerusalem Post saying that Israel is losing the war ===== Jerusalem Post: No indications Israel can take back detainees The Jerusalem Post, citing IDF sources, said there were no indications that Tel Aviv would be able to rescue more detainees in the Gaza Strip, adding that nothing also indicated that the military would be able to “kill more leaders of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas).” Israeli military sources indicated that Hamas can still easily return to areas previously controlled by the Israeli army. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31601;&%231581;
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Malloc Voidstar posted:https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/27/technology/israel-facial-recognition-gaza.html Interesting to think about this story with how facial recognition is really bad at identifying non-white people because of bias within the training data. And of course how Israel considers most Palestinians terrorists anyways. And by interesting I mean horrifying
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Netanyahu is already regretting canceling the delegation to Washington, and intends to send it out despite what happened https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1773023424606335241?t=s3HbrLxdjfORxebicKS4jg&s=19 E: nvm, the Prime Minister's bureau is denying it now https://twitter.com/N12News/status/1773024958005821883?t=sVuobT-kL-B1RZrEI3r4kA&s=19 Sancho Banana has issued a correction as of 17:56 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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Source: Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com/haaretz-exp...9f-7fc945360000 Explained | The Political Crisis in Israel Over Exempting ultra-Orthodox From Army Service Michael Hauser Tov, Noa Shpigel, Yaniv Kubovich and Aaron Rabinowitz Mar 27, 2024 3:28 pm IST The Israeli government spent Tuesday holding heated discussions concerning the outline of the bill that, if legislated, would exempt draft-age ultra-Orthodox men from military conscription. The government's meeting on the bill, that had been scheduled for Tuesday, was postponed due to opposition from ultra-Orthodox lawmakers, who threatened not to attend and not to approve the bill's amended version. Israel's High Court of Justice had ordered the state to provide an update regarding the legislation by Wednesday, otherwise, the state will be required to enforce conscription of ultra-Orthodox men of military age. The following is a Haaretz explainer concerning the issue that may rock the coalition. What is the legal situation today? The law that temporarily grants exemptions from military conscription to yeshiva students expired on July 1. A few days before its expiration, the government granted Defense Minister Yoav Gallant the authority not to enforce the enlistment of ultra-Orthodox men for a fixed period, during which, the government guaranteed a new bill would be passed that would settle the issue would be legislated into law. When the deadline for this new legislation expired, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu decided to request another extension from the High Court. This, the prime minister explained, was due to the needs of the war in Gaza. At the High Court hearing held in February concerning the petitions against the government's decision not to draft ultra-orthodox men, the justices clarified that a policy that so significantly hinders equality cannot be enacted by a government decision alone, but requires the legislation of a new exemption law. The justices demanded the government to explain why it delays doing so. The deadline for the state's reply is Thursday, and to do so the government must submit a proposed legislation that details its intentions concerning the bill. Without this, Gallant's mandate not to enlist ultra-Orthodox men would have no legal basis and the IDF would be legally required to recruit them. How many ultra-Orthodox men enlist in the IDF each year? The number of ultra-Orthodox male candidates for army enlistment each year is about 13,000, but – according to IDF data – only about 1,200 are drafted. Many of them, the army admits, are ones who have left the ultra-Orthodox way of life. This shows that less than 10 percent of all ultra-Orthodox young men are drafted. Sources familiar with the recruitment of ultra-Orthodox claim, however, that the situation is grimmer, as the number of ultra-Orthodox men designated for enlistment is higher than the army says, which lowers the percentage of actual recruits. The number of yeshiva students who enlisted in the army has remained the same since 2019. This reflects a continuous decrease in the percentage of those being drafted, as the proportion of ultra-Orthodox among Israel's general population is only increasing. The army roles open for ultra-Orthodox men have also experienced a drop in the number of recruits. For example, the number of Haredi soldiers in the ultra-Orthodox Netzah Yehuda Battalion stands at about 300, instead of 750 a decade ago... How does the proposed bill affect the stability of the government? The army exemption bill is one of the biggest challenges to the stability of Netanyahu's government, and not only because of the issue of Haredi army service. The High Court hearing last month linked the bill to the issue of the government's budgeting of yeshivas. One of the petitions submitted to the court asked it to state that in the absence of legislation that grants army exemptions to ultra-Orthodox men, the state should cancel its funding for yeshivas, curently budgeted according to the number of enrolled students. Attorney General Gali Baharav-Miara submitted her position to the High Court, saying that if a new conscription law is not advanced by the end of March, it will not be possible to continue the government funding of yeshiva students. Such a scenario may provoke strong opposition among leaders of the ultra-orthodox factions in Netanyahu's coalition and threaten its stability. On the other hand, there are Likud members that may oppose the legislation of a bill that would grant a total exemption for ultra-Orthodox men. Among them are ministers Avi Dichter and Nir Barkat, as well as lawmaker Yuli Edelstein. They are joined by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, who said earlier this year that he intends to support only a bill that will be approved by War Cabinet Minister Benny Gantz and other members of the coalition. Gallant, however, refused to say how he would vote if a bill that Gantz opposes comes to a vote. Along with the risk that Netanyahu's original 64-member coalition will not survive the crisis, political sources estimate that the bill's legislation is highly likely to lead to a possible decision by Gantz to leave the government. Sources in Netanyahu's coalition say that they cannot fathom a draft law acceptable to both Gantz and the ultra-Orthodox, and Netanyahu – they claim – is expected to choose his Haredi partners over Gantz. Gantz set a generous timetable to try and reach an understanding, and stated that he would not leave the government before the bill is advanced to second and third Knesset readings. These are expected at the end of June, unless the High Court forces a tighter schedule on the government. What is the bill that the government proposed? The bill's version published earlier this week states that the exemption age for ultra-Orthodox men will be raised to 35. Political sources say that the clause, that essentialy cancels the possibility of ultra-Orthodox men integrating into the workforce, was introduced only so that it could be taken out at a later stage of the legislative process, presenting the remaining bill as a "softening" in the government position. In addition, the original proposal does not detail mandatory recruitment numbers and does not include criminal sanctions.... ... Later that week, the coalition published an amendment to the proposed bill, in which the clause raising the exemption age was removed. It also stated that financial sanctions would be imposed on institutions, mainly yeshivas, that do not meet the army's recruitment targets, although these actual target numbers have not been set yet and will have to be decided on by the government by May 19... What do Yesh Atid and National Unity propose? The recruitment bill submitted by Yesh Atid (led by Yair Lapid) grants an exemption from military service to about 2,000 yeshiva students each year. It states that the exemption age will be 22, and that every Israeli youth is to enlist in some kind of mandatory service. Avoiding this without being granted an exemption will be considered a criminal offense. A draft bill presented by the heads of the National Unity Party (led by Benny Gantz) requires that an absolute majority of young Israeli men would serve, considering security and civic needs... What does the IDF want? The IDF, at least officially, continues to hold the position that every Israeli youth over the age of 18 should be required to enlist in the army, including ultra-Orthodox men. However, there is an understanding among senior officials in Israel's defense establishment who recognize that recruiting all of those designated for service is not possible. In recent discussions, they proposed that about half of all ultra-Orthodox men from the age of 23 and older will be enlisted... ... How has the number of exempted ultra-Orthodox men increased since 1948? Exemption from army conscription for yeshiva students was granted for the first time to 400 students as early as 1948 by Israel's first Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion. This remained the same until 1977, and only about 800 yeshiva students received an exemption. However, with the political upheaval of 1977 and the formation of the Begin government with the ultra-Orthodox parties, the exemption became absolute and was granted to all ultra-Orthodox men. At the time, they were a small proportion out of the general recruitment cycle, but following the natural proliferation of ultra-Orthodox society, their proportion continued to grow. In the 1970s, the rate of exemption recipients was about 2.5 percent of all applicants for military service, in the 1980s it was about 5 percent and in the 1990s rose to about 8 percent. Today, the number of Haredi men exempted from army service is about 23 percent of the total number of candidates.
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https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/after-canceling-top-aides-trip-to-washington-netanyahu-now-seeking-to-reschedule/ After canceling top aides’ trip to Washington, Netanyahu now seeking to reschedule quote:Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office has reached out to the White House, asking to reschedule a meeting regarding a potential Israeli operation in Rafah, which the premier canceled earlier this week, a US official tells The Times of Israel. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/government-to-ask-high-court-for-more-time-to-file-response-in-haredi-draft-case-source/ Government to ask High Court for more time to file response in Haredi draft case — source
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netanyahu announces that they will allow Gazans to move to the north when they do rafah operation ===== Netanyahu: Civilians can go to northern Gaza during Rafah operation Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told members of Congress: Combat operations form a pressure factor that will result in the release of the hostages. Maintaining the support of the Democratic and Republican parties is especially important in these difficult times. There are many places in the north of the Gaza Strip that civilians can go to during an operation in Rafah. We will ensure that water, food and medicine are provided to civilians who will move from Rafah. Thanks to military pressure, we succeeded in releasing a number of hostages in Gaza. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31601;&%231581;
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israeli army still seething that Hamas's military manufacturing capabilities is still intact underground and that destroying Hamas is fully out of reach now ===== IDF: Some weapons production facilities on Gaza tunnels remain intact The Telegraph quoted an Israeli intelligence source as saying that Tel Aviv believed the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) could be wiped out because of Washington’s support, noting that this has now changed. He added that the IDF believes that some Hamas facilities for the production of underground weapons in Gaza remain intact. He said that the failure of the Israeli army to enter Rafah strongly, means that the survival of Hamas is the most likely possibility, as he put it. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...31601;&%231581;
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I'd love to know if this program to fund dudes who basically just have government jobs studying the Torah has actually produced any scholarship of note in its decades of existence. (I assume this is only dudes and the option is not available to women at all) It sounds like an awesome no-work job except that your life is dominated by some ultra-right psycho cult that you have to be in to be eligible.
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i get the sense that a full scale of rafah is inevitable, but also the trigger a lot of world leaders are waiting for to turn their back on israel and save face
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Rubellavator posted:
Does he wanna like Free Palestine but Shackle Jordan? Who is this galaxybrain.
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Al! posted:i get the sense that a full scale of rafah is inevitable, but also the trigger a lot of world leaders are waiting for to turn their back on israel and save face it's inevitable because america wants israel to nab any 'win' because they cant afford israel to lose, and also the nazi mentality of israel demands it. and it's also inevitable because the arab dictatorships are allowing it to happen and the cucked sheep arab people are doing almost nothing to force them to act otherwise.
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Eygpt is not going to invade with the current government and Hezbollah wants to fight on their side of the border, I think it’s unlikely either with directly intervene.
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Demon Of The Fall posted:if rafah gets invaded I think thats when egypt and hezbollah will pounce oh you sweet baby you think the egyptian fascist regime that's set up and supported by america, israel and the UAE gives a poo poo lol Cuckbollah probably wont escalate either because the Iranians dont want a wider war and because Lebanon is a fractured shithole that is always on the brink of collapse.
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Sanlav posted:Does he wanna like Free Palestine but Shackle Jordan? Who is this galaxybrain. He wants to give the Jews New Hampshire. The most moral outcome.
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well all the signators of the genocide convention would be forced to cut all ties with israel if they invade rafah and kill anything that moves. right?!?!??!???
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