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GaylordButts posted:You don't go from ship to ship. You get onto a rocket loaded with Cryopods when you complete training, and then you get loaded into storage on a Super Destroyer until needed. There is no cloning or anything in Helldivers lore, it's just a gameplay contrivance that all your dudes look the same when a new one shows up. So when we link up with a friend, our Star Destroyer just parks next to theirs and we play as one of their ship's cryo guys? That's the part where I thought they were transport pods, is going to a friend's ship and then me coming out of a chilly tube, I thought they just shot me through the cold void of space onto their ship.
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defender vs liberator: I personally feel like, although the defender's stats are better on paper, the liberator's higher RoF feels better against groups of squishy bugs(scavs, hunters etc) and the first person sights are better for popping bots at range. Defender is onehanded, but for carrying a hard drive that's not a big deal when you have a redeemer already and often just sprint all the way to the drop off, and as for firing behind you while running away from something... again, I have a redeemer already.
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Reiley posted:So when we link up with a friend, our Star Destroyer just parks next to theirs and we play as one of their ship's cryo guys? That's the part where I thought they were transport pods, is going to a friend's ship and then me coming out of a chilly tube, I thought they just shot me through the cold void of space onto their ship. The way I understand it, it's about ordinance coordination. There are thousands of battlegroups across the surface ( which you can see outside), the destroyer is the main character but can only be in low orbit so long and in order to achieve "pinpoint" orbital accuracy they need boots on the ground (you). So they defrost some microwavable weenies and synchronize their watches by launching at the exact same time as the destroyer drops to low orbit. But that's just my headcannon
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Mar 27, 2024 20:10
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BadLlama posted:If it wasn't so buggy, the Defender + Ballistic Shield is actually pretty good against the bots. Just watch out for missiles. Missiles are 80 or maybe 90% of deaths against bots though.
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johnny park posted:They oneshot tanks and hit them very reliably, but I haven't had much luck with them vs chargers. Either they miss or they hit but don't kill Yeah, great against anything slow but not as good at hitting a charger unless it's been stunned or slowed. Works well with the EMS mortar.
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Reiley posted:So when we link up with a friend, our Star Destroyer just parks next to theirs and we play as one of their ship's cryo guys? That's the part where I thought they were transport pods, is going to a friend's ship and then me coming out of a chilly tube, I thought they just shot me through the cold void of space onto their ship. Yes, really it's another gameplay contrivance to give you a place to run around in at all. In reality, the Democracy Officer would choose where the mission will be, and just launch Helldivers at it until either they complete the mission, or it's starting to cost more dudes than Super Earth was willing to spend so they give up on it. They wouldn't be running around on the bridge picking out armor and whatnot, they'd go directly from cryopod to hellpod like what happens when you are reinforced during a mission. With that in mind, it's less like your helldivers are teaming up, but rather your Super Destroyers are teaming up to pool their resources on a single mission.
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Aren’t the normal super earth military forces like the imperial guard to the helldivers’ space marines and somehow even more disposable
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My headcanon is that the ship name selection is in fact a super abbreviated personality test: all the divers who picked the same name have identical/compatible personalities and therefore serve on a ship bearing that name. This mitigates the need to retrain crews, because obviously the "Spear of Family Values" batch of helldivers are known to favor suicide by 380mm barrage, and the crew knows that procedure well.
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FrancisFukyomama posted:Aren’t the normal super earth military forces like the imperial guard to the helldivers’ space marines and somehow even more disposable Helldiversdon't are believe actually thethe liespremierhelldivers, strongestare military cannonunit fodder in whosethe purpose galaxy is, maybe tothe deliveruniversestratagems.
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Mesadoram posted:You can apparently also head shot with it to, found out today that 3 charged shots to the head can kill a Charger. It always takes me 6 or 7, even lined straight up directly to the face. LASER BEAM DREAM posted:I also love the Scorcher, but I do feel like I’m constantly on the hunt for ammo now. Especially when I become the defacto bile spewer popper. Plasma Punisher has entered the chat. Improbable Lobster posted:This is also why I find it annoying when people insist their characters are clones. They aren't! They're no textual support for cloned Helldivers! They're explicitly random 18 and 19 year olds being sent to die. Correct! you can even make the voice change randomly every respawn! Mesadoram posted:How are the rocket Pods against heavier targets like tanks and chargers? You need to time them on chargers so they hit when the charger is turning or has just hit a wall and recovering, then pretty decent, otherwise not so much. It's not hard to get used to though.
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FrancisFukyomama posted:Aren’t the normal super earth military forces like the imperial guard to the helldivers’ space marines and somehow even more disposable No, they have actual value and are to be protected. They do important things like build SEAF artillery and sam sites.
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Don't forget that the only training helldivers receive is "don't get shot by a turret!" and "pick up a gun!"
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I got killed by that turret 
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Don't forget the battlefield injury simulator
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BadLlama posted:I got killed by that turret took me like 3 or 4 tries to do the turret dive correctly in training. I'm not ashamed.
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GaylordButts posted:Yes, really it's another gameplay contrivance to give you a place to run around in at all. In reality, the Democracy Officer would choose where the mission will be, and just launch Helldivers at it until either they complete the mission, or it's starting to cost more dudes than Super Earth was willing to spend so they give up on it. They wouldn't be running around on the bridge picking out armor and whatnot, they'd go directly from cryopod to hellpod like what happens when you are reinforced during a mission. I would slightly disagree, that part of this entire thing is maintaining Super Earth's insane libertarian ideology. It lets them sell this to their massive population. Helldivers are the ultimate libertarian military fantasy. It is a corps of "elite" soldiers that are each given command of a warship and personally decide where to fight for Super Earth. Sometimes they collaborate democratically with up to 3 other elite helldivers after "voting" where to infil. They then personally decide how to deploy the immense firepower of the Super Destroyer to fight Super Earth's enemies. They are given expensive weaponry and armor and can choose to zoom around the galaxy inefficiently, wasting fuel if they so choose (until the Democracy Officer domes them in the back of the head for insubordination) Obviously its all a sham. The available missions are decided by a central group that is choosing strategy, the helldivers themselves are fodder, and Super Earth can let them waste the weaponry and fuel as like the helldivers, they are expendable. Half of the weapons systems are ramshackle gizmos that need significant upgrades in order to even function well, the cannons being "upgraded" to breach loading, as opposed to literal front loading like a Napoleonic cannon. All of this works because every now and then helldivers do indeed survive missions, and given that their contract locks them in to media appearances, those are the guys they let go home to tell stories of how cool it was being a Helldiver, and are genuinely talking about they personally commanded a Super Destroyer. WoodrowSkillson fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Mar 27, 2024 |
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my head canon is that when you meet up on another helldiver's ship, they basically push your helldiver out the airlock and have them float in their armor through space to get to that ship. that's why they're frosty when they enter the ship
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Does anyone have that picture of where to actually aim with the AMR crosshair? Someone posted it a ways back and I'd like to see exactly where the point of impact is now that we have bot orders. I can't search it out for the life of me.
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Hakarne posted:Does anyone have that picture of where to actually aim with the AMR crosshair? Someone posted it a ways back and I'd like to see exactly where the point of impact is now that we have bot orders. I can't search it out for the life of me.  I don't think this is a perfect solution(actual point they hit might be very slightly right of that corner?), but it mostly works. Also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_Q37BTA9Qs
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There are a number of guns where the bullet doesn't actually go where the sight points at. Not sure if realistic gun sperg stuff or mistakes.
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BadLlama posted:There are a number of guns where the bullet doesn't actually go where the sight points at. Not sure if realistic gun sperg stuff or mistakes. the ballistics are accurate enough in general i think it's intentional that the sniper rifle with no armorer or gunsmith or expert of any kind on the ship to zero or maintain it is off just enough to be a huge pain if you're trying to be very precise with it you have to pay for the upgrade to 'technicians can use superglue on loose parts' after all; calipers are right out
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gently caress the AMR for only allowing scoped shooting, by the way. No floating crosshair when normally wielding it is bullshit.
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Just hip shoot it by eye, like in Red Orchesta.
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atelier morgan posted:the ballistics are accurate enough in general i think it's intentional that the sniper rifle with no armorer or gunsmith or expert of any kind on the ship to zero or maintain it is off just enough to be a huge pain if you're trying to be very precise with it There's no way the sniper rifle's sights being slightly, infuriatingly off is a deliberate diegetic choice by master game designers. The game is new and buggy and a lot of the ADS stuff is wonky, that's all. The game is immersive and they're committed to their schtick, sure, but let's not go crazy here.
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LazyMaybe posted:
It's even dumber than you think, going prone and changing positioning changes the offset. Not my video: https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/20FTd8A_pp5qJo/Wk9IKx2Fctqt?invite=cr-MSx3ZXIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true
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I also don't think it's intentional but with having a few other sights be so precise, the slugger is kind of hilariously accurate in that it's ads will be right on target when you fire it just a little early and your diver hasn't perfectly centered the gun yet after your previous shot, it would be pretty funny if the actual explicit reason that the AMR sight is off is because it gets jostled a little too hard after being called down in it's pod.
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I think the main reason bot rockets feel like bullshit is because they're so quiet they'd get 90% less complaints if they did a super loud woooosh
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A lot of enemies could do with some better sound design as well, chargers can be like ninjas sometimes. The sound is great in some respects, the music, the weapons mostly sound good, but the enemies and environments are kinda lacking.
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Yeah, Spewers also have no audio cues outside of either entering siege mode or getting ready to  which really sucks.
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make them randomly shriek or bellow like glyphids do
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When the fog touches you, you know you’re hosed and it’s time to book it
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Tommy the Newt posted:A lot of enemies could do with some better sound design as well, chargers can be like ninjas sometimes. The sound is great in some respects, the music, the weapons mostly sound good, but the enemies and environments are kinda lacking. This is by far my biggest non-technical gripe. Even wearing headphones, it’s far too easy for a half-dozen giant robots with chainsaws for hands to sneak up from behind.
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Think it was on reddit or something someone joked-You don't play as a helldiver, you are the ship(that you name) which gets stronger as you level up from your minions/pikmin that you shoot out of your big gun onto the planets.
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The Kingfish posted:This is by far my biggest non-technical gripe. Even wearing headphones, it’s far too easy for a half-dozen giant robots with chainsaws for hands to sneak up from behind. You can stealth past them, so they get to stealth up to you.
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Choosing your loadout is just setting the filters for which helldivers get thawed out, microwaved, and vending-machined to the planet surface
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LazyMaybe posted:defender vs liberator: I personally feel like, although the defender's stats are better on paper, the liberator's higher RoF feels better against groups of squishy bugs(scavs, hunters etc) and the first person sights are better for popping bots at range.
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Hwurmp posted:make them randomly shriek or bellow like glyphids do You've probably seen this, but they should hire this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gN_BXbQl9s
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My take on the setting is that SEAF is the conventional military that fights large battles, mans the front lines, and takes and holds ground, etc. The job of Helldivers is to do high risk commando missions behind enemy lines. Helldivers are kept separate because it would be bad for morale and a waste of actual experience and talent to send SEAF troops on suicide missions.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Just hip shoot it by eye, like in Red Orchesta. Video game PTSD has entered the chat
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Tommy the Newt posted:A lot of enemies could do with some better sound design as well, chargers can be like ninjas sometimes. The sound is great in some respects, the music, the weapons mostly sound good, but the enemies and environments are kinda lacking. Yeah I think the sound quality really lags behind the game’s visual quality. sound attenuation over distance is just weird and it feels like fights happening 60+m away should sound a lot different, enemy audio cues are very inconsistent, and I’d personally like weapon sounds to be a lot more bombastic like they were in HD1. I would really enjoy it if they focused some of the resources they now have due to the game’s overwhelming success on a sound overhaul.
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