|
What is the most powerful flying bug? This poll is closed. |
|||
|---|---|---|---|
| 🦋 |
|
15 | 3.71% |
| 🦇 |
|
115 | 28.47% |
| 🪰 |
|
12 | 2.97% |
| 🐦 |
|
67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
|
94 | 23.27% |
| 🦟 |
|
14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
|
87 | 21.53% |
| Total: | 404 votes | ||
|
Nix Panicus posted:So its still just a mysterious undisclosed shell source and no budget? The fact that the proposed timeline for the procurement and the delivery of the shells keeps getting moved back should raise some eyebrows.. originally they were supposed to start arriving near the beginning of March if I remember correctly Still.. they announced a dollar amount so maybe there is something there
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 22:12
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 12:14 |
|
|
i tire of ukraine
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 22:19
|
|
|
Starsfan posted:The fact that the proposed timeline for the procurement and the delivery of the shells keeps getting moved back should raise some eyebrows.. originally they were supposed to start arriving near the beginning of March if I remember correctly Yeah, I recall thinking the Czech shell deal would top them up til the end of spring and then they'd be right back to shortages, but apparently its just shortages forever
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 22:34
|
|
|
Hey guys, what do you think of this hypothesis: The Soviet/Russia economies are optimized for war time production, during peace time, they are only making civilian consumer goods half-heartedly. And when war time kicks in, the economy runs better when it has an external producer to compliment the missing civilian goods. In the 00s and 10s Russia leaned on Europe as the external producer and in the 20s lean on China, that's why the Russian economy is running well right now. Soviet economy in the 80s was missing an external civilian good producer. stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Mar 28, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:10
|
|
|
Soviet economy always prioritized heavy industry and industrial development. Consumer goods never got as much attention as they needed despite some 5 year plans giving them a boost.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:16
|
|
|
I don't know if that's true for the Russian economy, because they embraced liberal capitalism and sold off state assets that might have been retained for central planning. e: and reading up on East Germany, their consumer goods were generally good, it's just they were not very good at winning the PR war against the west. East German furniture, for example, was much better made and high quality than in West Germany, but East Germans felt otherwise. When this came up before it turned out East German jeans were much better made than Levis as well, they were just felt to be less fashionable, and so less good.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:18
|
|
|
Would you really call that emphasizing military production though, or just trying to catch up to the west's century head start on industrialization alongside making up for the destruction wrought by nazis? Although given the constant and very real threat of western aggression the military production was necessary
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:20
|
|
|
Trabants and Ladas were and are both very good cars, and very impressive feats of engineering and production, but they weren't good consumer products. The thing is, how do you centrally plan around vibes? No state design bureau is going to develop the Pontiac Aztek. e: Yugos as well.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:22
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Trabants and Ladas were and are both very good cars, and very impressive feats of engineering and production, but they weren't good consumer products. The thing is, how do you centrally plan around vibes? No state design bureau is going to develop the Pontiac Aztek. trabants are cool because they used recycled newspapers to build the body on some models so when they crashed youd get pieces of old soviet newspapers flying everywhere
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:28
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Trabants and Ladas were and are both very good cars, and very impressive feats of engineering and production, but they weren't good consumer products. The thing is, how do you centrally plan around vibes? No state design bureau is going to develop the Pontiac Aztek. That's part of my argument, having good advertisement culture and good at selling civilians gimmick poo poo is an integral part of the consumer economy, and the Russians for whatever reason are not interested in it.
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:30
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Trabants and Ladas were and are both very good cars, and very impressive feats of engineering and production, but they weren't good consumer products. The thing is, how do you centrally plan around vibes? No state design bureau is going to develop the Pontiac Aztek. Lada yes, they're good Yugos were actually good consumer products but suffer from insane levels of rust even by the standards of the day Trabants are objectively terrible vehicles though
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:37
|
|
|
In Training posted:Did the US never actually send Ukraine new funds this year? Wild. Little Israel is more important than Big Israel
|
|
#
?
Mar 27, 2024 23:44
|
|
|
stephenthinkpad posted:That's part of my argument, having good advertisement culture and good at selling civilians gimmick poo poo is an integral part of the consumer economy, and the Russians for whatever reason are not interested in it. Thats the thing Capitalism as a system is about creating demand where there is none hence the creation of marketing and the birth of modern propaganda. Communism as a sysytem rejects that as a source of making everyones lives poo poo. It didnt help that Western goods being hard to obtain in the East were gonna take on a mythical property, the thing I can't get a hold of or is hard to get a hold of MUST be better than what I have access too
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:27
|
|
|
It came down to the communists believing they could have unlimited treats *and* their basic needs taken care of by the state. The idea that it was an either/or prospect and the capitalists were choosing the treats - and the treats weren't even that great - was completely unfathomable
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:30
|
|
|
How many varieties of breakfast cereal did Soviet Russia have? I rest my case.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:32
|
|
|
Gorbachev-Os
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:36
|
|
|
Nix Panicus posted:It came down to the communists believing they could have unlimited treats *and* their basic needs taken care of by the state. The idea that it was an either/or prospect and the capitalists were choosing the treats - and the treats weren't even that great - was completely unfathomable It's fascinating that Soviet citizens just assumed Western nations also gave their citizens free or heavily subsidized healthcare and housing and guaranteed employment, USSR really failed at the internal propaganda there
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:50
|
|
|
Lostconfused posted:Lot's of youtube talking heads very excited to see some French corpses. NATO trained soldier with NATO equipment will turn this thing around.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 00:51
|
|
|
See I don't think Russia having so much military surplus capacity is a communism vs capitalism thing, I think it has to do with the USSR was constantly at war for 2+ decades since founding.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:05
|
|
|
DJJIB-DJDCT posted:If you were unfamiliar with the expert they selected, three guesses for what he's best known for He looks like aatrek
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:15
|
|
|
looks like more than one reddit got taken out for being Russian Propaganda. luckily the free world still has r/worldnews, r/europe, r/ukraine etc so we can finally just focus on the truth
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:19
|
|
|
for real though, anyone know a decent place to get neutral updates and maps?
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:20
|
|
|
WTF, the sub I go to check new Ukraine Russia Reports has gone private. The west has gone desperate. Now you know they will definitely kick TikTok out of the US. I will check new videos on bilibili, but they are not in English. I don't know any place I can follow or discuss new war videos in English.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:29
|
|
|
has any more information about the moscow attackers come out
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:39
|
|
|
Discuss Ukraine and other topics of interest with your friends at Something Awful dot com. 
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:44
|
|
|
lobster shirt posted:has any more information about the moscow attackers come out Not much more concrete stuff, far as I know. https://open.substack.com/pub/simplicius76/p/west-desperately-deflects-as-ukraines?r=1r645q&utm_medium=ios
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:49
|
|
|
Putin will remind them
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:50
|
|
|
stephenthinkpad posted:That's part of my argument, having good advertisement culture and good at selling civilians gimmick poo poo is an integral part of the consumer economy, and the Russians for whatever reason are not interested in it. Nah. The "Soviet Russia didn't sustain because of consumer goods" is a well-touted Western (and especially American) argument, but doesn't hold water against better historiography and more importantly, the holistic analysis that it does of the many combined factors, especially regarding the sequential political failures of the CPSU during the late 70s and throughout the 80s. If consumer goods were a determinative factor, Cuba would have gone long ago, same to Vietnam, Laos, etc. It's an incredibly poor and reductive analysis.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:54
|
|
|
my bony fealty posted:It's fascinating that Soviet citizens just assumed Western nations also gave their citizens free or heavily subsidized healthcare and housing and guaranteed employment, USSR really failed at the internal propaganda there there is no propaganda that can beat the human mind when it's dead set on something, and the people were dead set on coca cola in cans and levi's jeans, the rest would be rationalized any way possible ("well all of the benefits we have, they can't just disappear, it will all still be here after removing communism") edit: and even with all of that, the vote when it came down to it was majority for preserving the union dgcf, if the party wasn't rotted through maybe they'd have pulled off something Doktor Avalanche has issued a correction as of 01:59 on Mar 28, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:56
|
|
|
my bony fealty posted:It's fascinating that Soviet citizens just assumed Western nations also gave their citizens free or heavily subsidized healthcare and housing and guaranteed employment, USSR really failed at the internal propaganda there It seems to me that this was especially far truer in regards to East Germany and Eastern Europe in general than the USSR. There are lots of stories about people in Poland, Czechoslovakia etc just dumbfounded about the privatized companies not hiring many of them. Or having to pay rent.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:58
|
|
|
Also the USSR had plenty of consumer goods. It was Gorbachev's reforms that caused the availability of goods to go down, because without GOSPLAN to mandate that a factory manager had to produce baby socks and wooden toy cars, factory managers would instead chase after the highest-margin products. No more baby socks and toys, because of capitalism.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 01:58
|
|
|
The secret is branding
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 02:05
|
|
|
It is a bit of a mixed bag. Various satellite states during the 1980s such as Romania, Poland, and to a lesser extent Hungary did actually have quite brutal austerity measures, it wasn't just propaganda, but most of it was they got themselves into hock with the Paris Club/IMF and choose to squeeze their consumer spending to pay those debts off usually by exporting consumer and agricultural goods. There is a reason why it was easy to turn them, and it wasn't just a Gorbachev-era f'up either. The Lada was okay, there is a reason why they still exist on the roads of much of the former Soviet Union even 30 years later. The Yugo was generally pretty bad and the Trabant was worse, but at the same time, especially in the GDR, cars weren't a priority and Yugoslavia was just getting into international markets, and if they had a decade or two of stability, they probably could have improved on it. Famously though a lot of Soviet-food was pretty high quality and the Soviets had high standards, there is a reason a GOST mark is considered a selling point still in modern-day Russia. Chocolate had high amounts of cocoa, ice cream had high butterfat, and they had their own soft drinks and other goods. By the late 1980s, it wasn't even things weren't being produced, in some ways, Soviet agriculture was doing better before, but literally "30-40%" was going "missing." This was likely due to farms and smaller producers being allowed to sell agricultural goods on the side while the central distribution system broke down. Food was being produced and just not getting stored, and mass panic buying was the result, including eventually lines and hunger. The question is why by 1989-1990 when this was clearly causing an issue, helping to spur ethnic violence and separatism, the government didn't reverse itself, it is a interesting question. The Soviets did have a wide variety of consumer goods, but of course the US was much better at selling themselves. That said, the satellite states were kind of a mixed bag and it depended on the country and era since Poland and Romania were in fact quite grim at times. Btw, modern-day Russia is using surprisingly tight export and price controls, and it is generally working, and prices for good and many everyday consumer goods is shockingly low, surprising even Tucker. Russian wages are low when calculated in dollars but in terms of lived experience it isn't that bad and if your rent is $300 dollars a month and your grocery bill is $30 bucks and education and health care are handled...it isn't really that onerous. The big complaint is usually cars (which are priced in international terms) and electronics, in particular, usually people have to buy a budget Chinese phone rather than the latest iphone. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 02:36 on Mar 28, 2024 |
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 02:30
|
|
|
Cars kill society and I don’t think this Internet thing will take off, so I see it as a win for Rossiya citizens.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 02:45
|
|
|
Skaffen-Amtiskaw posted:Cars kill society and I don’t think this Internet thing will take off, so I see it as a win for Rossiya citizens. Broadband at home internet and cell phone planes are dirt cheap in Russia, like $5-6 bucks. Usually, the issue is in particular, is Apple products. Can a society survive with limited affordability of Apple products? I guess we will see.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 02:54
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Broadband at home internet and cell phone planes are dirt cheap in Russia, like $5-6 bucks. Usually, the issue is in particular, is Apple products. Can a society survive with limited affordability of Apple products? I guess we will see. DoJ is about to test that theory.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 02:57
|
|
|
My father complained at one point that vegetables in the Brezhnev era had so much nitrate in them that they would cause cancer and that people would have to buy edible vegetables on the black market or something like that. I also dimly remember from my very early childhood that meat from the tail end of the Soviet union was gristly and awful as well.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 03:05
|
|
|
Ardennes posted:Broadband at home internet and cell phone planes are dirt cheap in Russia, like $5-6 bucks. Usually, the issue is in particular, is Apple products. Can a society survive with limited affordability of Apple products? I guess we will see. isn't it only the US where apple has a huge market share, it's like 20%-30% everywhere else?
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 03:06
|
|
|
Regarde Aduck posted:isn't it only the US where apple has a huge market share, it's like 20%-30% everywhere else? Very high market share (50%+) in Anglo and Nordic countries, plus Taiwan and HK if you break them out as markets It's basically a luxury good and you could probably find similar correlation for like... BMW/Tesla ownership or per capita consumption of Fiji/Evian/San Pellegrino I think there's also absolutely bonkers numbers (90%+) in Pacific islands but similar to why 85% of cars there are Priuses it's likely because they're the market for 3rd generation refurbished goods
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 03:20
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 11, 2024 12:14 |
|
|
Sapozhnik posted:My father complained at one point that vegetables in the Brezhnev era had so much nitrate in them that they would cause cancer and that people would have to buy edible vegetables on the black market or something like that. I also dimly remember from my very early childhood that meat from the tail end of the Soviet union was gristly and awful as well. Nitrates can cause cancer but also the rate of deaths is usually pretty low. Also, the issue is usually workers and ground water contamination. Also, DDT was used in the US until 1972 and rivers would routinely catch fire. It isn't surprising that meat would be bad at that point, if anything, the fact that if you had meat in 1990-1991, your family was probably not doing that bad. I know friends who remember empty shelves in bakeries. Regarde Aduck posted:isn't it only the US where apple has a huge market share, it's like 20%-30% everywhere else? Mostly, but in Russia it is probably less than even that at this point especially since some essential apps got locked out.
|
|
#
?
Mar 28, 2024 03:22
|
|