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Kalit posted:Can you stop making GBS threads up the thread with tiktok videos/etc because you're throwing a hissy fit over your previous probation? It would be nice if D&D mods started actually enforcing rules in this thread.... I don't really see how it's wrong to post content about Israel's actions in the Israel/Palestine thread? You still never answered the question I posed to you twice, perhaps you could do that while you're here? Anyway, it seems like even US opinion is turning solidly against Israel at this point. They're well on their way to becoming an international pariah state. It's only really the white supremacist governments that are still on board. I do find it pretty funny that Biden has done more to destroy goodwill towards the US than even Trump did.
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Kalit posted:Can you stop making GBS threads up the thread with tiktok videos/etc because you're throwing a hissy fit over your previous probation? It would be nice if D&D mods started actually enforcing rules in this thread.... I'll tell ya what, I'll stop using the Israel/Palestine thread to share and discuss evidence of Israeli war crimes that the IDF is so helpfully documenting and blasting out all over the Internet, just as soon as they stop committing said war crimes. Until then, I suppose we'll just have to find a way to peacefully coexist. And if your issue is with me sharing content from tik tok I don't know what to tell ya, get with the times I guess? As someone pushing 40 I find this forum's resistance to Tik Tok to be more than a little baffling. The app is what you make of it and I've pretty carefully chosen to cultivate a feed focused on anti-colonialism, current global affairs, art history and the history of 20th century and modern labor politics. So, of course I'll share relevant content when I come across it. Would you rather I go right to the source and start linking directly to one of the many IDF-run snuff/atrocity-porn telegram channels?
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Kalit posted:Can you stop making GBS threads up the thread with tiktok videos/etc because you're throwing a hissy fit over your previous probation? It would be nice if D&D mods started actually enforcing rules in this thread.... He posted relevant content, quit loving whining.
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Nail Rat posted:What in the world would it take for the Biden fucks to admit it's a genocide? I'm guessing there is no line. If Israel ever flips its geopolitical support to Russia or China (astronimically low odds, granted, but stranger things have happened), the US establishment will be dusting off this genocide, Sabra and Chatila, and likely even the USS Liberty incident to call them traitorous vipers. Otherwise? They can make a giant statue of a merkava tank running over a ziptied civilian (there's a picture I wish I had not seen) in the middle of Jerusalem and they'll still get only praise and more care packages.
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Quantum Cat posted:I'll tell ya what, I'll stop using the Israel/Palestine thread to share and discuss evidence of Israeli war crimes that the IDF is so helpfully documenting and blasting out all over the Internet, just as soon as they stop committing said war crimes. Until then, I suppose we'll just have to find a way to peacefully coexist. Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate
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This is the.... worst thing I've ever seen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbfccVBo9tE
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Sephyr posted:If Israel ever flips its geopolitical support to Russia or China (astronimically low odds, granted, but stranger things have happened), the US establishment will be dusting off this genocide, Sabra and Chatila, and likely even the USS Liberty incident to call them traitorous vipers. There was a time in the '70s where Israel was courting anyone, even the Soviet Union, but I think after the Shah was deposed in Iran and America lost a border nation ally to Russia, it was easier for the U.S. to turn to Israel in "a bulwark against communism". I do think if Israel became a Soviet ally around that time, the U.S. would become deeply antisemitic about it.
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Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate I am absolutely tickled that you think that, given the choice of interlocutors in this conflict I would not gladly take those odds over well, anything you or any other Zionist has to say on the matter, particularly given the effort I attempt to make to curate my feed. Moreover, I'll note that this is a rather feeble attempt to sidestep addressing the content posted by attacking the platform on which it happens to be hosted. In the parlance of this forum, do you have evidence that what I have posted is or contains misinformation or are you simply trying to discredit it via implication? Kalit, one more thing. Are you ever going to respond to Your Brain on Hugs or will you be sidestepping addressing that as well?
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MasterSitsu posted:This is the.... worst thing I've ever seen? It's not the worst I've ever seen but it's top ten.
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Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate do you have any issues with the actual stories posted or what?
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ContinuityNewTimes posted:It's not the worst I've ever seen but it's top ten. This poo poo makes the Babylon Bee and LadyBallers look like comedy gold
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Quite aside from the value of tiktok specifically, I would really like it if people who post videos in this, or any, thread would post at least a couple more summary sentences than QC cat did (and a piece of commentary or two but tbh that was handled enough for not-probation in the original posts even if I'd like a little more). There are lots of people who can't easily watch videos when they're reading the post and even more for whom it is waaaaaaaay less convenient than text. The extreme end is people posting "watch this twenty minute video before you can rebut me  " but even for short ones it's not an ideal format for SA on its own.to repeat tldr: summarize your videos in a couple sentences, please
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Kalit posted:Can you stop making GBS threads up the thread with tiktok videos/etc because you're throwing a hissy fit over your previous probation? It would be nice if D&D mods started actually enforcing rules in this thread.... Linking what Francesca Albanese has to say is not "making GBS threads up the thread" or "throwing a hissy fit". In what way exactly has the thread been worse than normal recently? I think the thread has gotten back on track and is discussing relevant news. Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate Basic media literacy would tell you that this argument is wrong. Tiktok is not "a source". It's a platform for people to share content. Your link says that misinformation exists on the platform, as it does on any platform where random people can post stuff. That doesn't condemn the platform itself. So your objection cannot be that they're linking to Tiktok, because that's like complaining that they post a Twitter link or a Youtube video. Instead, you should be asking for proper sourcing for the claims being made. The Albanese video is being posted by Al Jazeera, so it being on Tiktok is entirely irrelevant. It's as trustworthy as a regular Al Jazeera article, unless you think Tiktok manipulated the video in some way. On the other hand, the "human shields" video is just some dude, so for that you could ask for better sourcing. Quantum Cat posted:Would you rather I go right to the source and start linking directly to one of the many IDF-run snuff/atrocity-porn telegram channels? Please don't. Looking at snuff isn't going to convince anyone somehow still (claiming to be) on the fence after months of mass murder, and it's brain poison for the rest of us. Quantum Cat posted:It appears that the genocidal American empire is not responding well to the Rapporteur's findings and to no one's surprise have chosen to slander them from the podium as an anti-Semite. I wish for this man a swift and fair Nuremberg trial. Esran fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate Do you have any context or justification as to why an image of two Palestinians tied to an Israeli tank and I guy talking about Israelis using human sheilds since like 2005 is misinformation?
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Goatse James Bond posted:Quite aside from the value of tiktok specifically, I would really like it if people who post videos in this, or any, thread would post at least a couple more summary sentences than QC cat did (and a piece of commentary or two but tbh that was handled enough for not-probation in the original posts even if I'd like a little more). There is already a rule you are chosing to not enforce here. Why are you chosing to not enforce the rule?
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Kalit posted:Can you stop making GBS threads up the thread with tiktok videos/etc because you're throwing a hissy fit over your previous probation? It would be nice if D&D mods started actually enforcing rules in this thread.... Kalit he's posting content and news I haven't read and I appreciate it so maybe shut the gently caress up.
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Discendo Vox posted:There is already a rule you are chosing to not enforce here. Why are you chosing to not enforce the rule? The top of the list of responses is: telling people to alter their behavior is moderation. So there you go, I am enforcing the rule with a level of discretion I find suitable: telling a person they did something wrong on the internet (not properly summarizing their video link). Please do not make this into a further derail in this thread. same goes for everyone else
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Do France and Germany have similar motivations as the US for backing Israel?
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Hong XiuQuan posted:5) The US is squandering other alliances and stabilities - there will be repercussions in the Arab world as a part of this. Jordan and Egypt are certainly going to be less stable as a result. https://x.com/el_sabawi/status/1773151920070217987?s=20 Jordan is facing huge stability problems right now because of Biden's policies. The government will either become more repressive, in which case well done fostering democracy. Or it's going to collapse at some point, in which case will the US like what's happened to one of its most stable allies in the region? gently caress the monarchy of Jordan five ways to Sunday but from a US strategy perspective? This was entirely (and peacefully) preventable.
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Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate quote:NewsGuard's long list of advisors includes marquee names from the federal government, including former homeland security secretary Tom Ridge, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy Richard Stengel, and former Central Intelligence Agency director General Michael Hayden. Basic media literacy would have you look up who it is the report that is being quoted is published by. In this case it seems to be a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government.
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Weka posted:Basic media literacy would have you look up who it is the report that is being quoted is published by. In this case it seems to be a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government. So some advisors that used to work for the government and have gone private makes something "a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government" does this apply to other news agencies in other governments or some unique evil aura that emits from ex-American government employees? Do you have any specific objections to the claims made in the report itself?
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Goatse James Bond posted:The top of the list of responses is: telling people to alter their behavior is moderation. So there you go, I am enforcing the rule with a level of discretion I find suitable: telling a person they did something wrong on the internet (not properly summarizing their video link). Thanks for encouraging posting random social media garbage on D&D that we have to wade through to figure out where they got the information from, what is/isn’t complete bullshit, etc. As long as the poster summarizes a video, it’s trusted enough to be as accurate as a news company/journalist/etc  People posting random twitter accounts that often have misleading or completely inaccurate information is bad enough. Congrats on further encouraging posters to ignore rule II.B.2 Kalit fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Kalit posted:Thanks for encouraging posting random social media garbage on D&D that we have to wade through to figure out where they got the information from, what is/isn’t complete bullshit, etc. As long as the poster summarizes a video, it’s trusted enough to be as accurate as a news source/journalist/etc Are you ever going to respond to the actual content of the video posted? Or are you going to continue to avoid any questions and points that cause you cognitive dissonance?
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fuctifino posted:Are you ever going to respond to the actual content of the video posted? Or are you going to continue to avoid any questions and points that cause you cognitive dissonance? I’ll do you one better: Hey everyone, isn’t it extremely hosed up that IDF keeps using Palestinian civilians as human shields? Here’s a recent example: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-says-israeli-soldiers-used-him-human-shield-west-bank-2024-01-16/ This is far from a one off example. There has been at least 31 documented cases by DCIP of Palestinian children being used as human shields by Israelis since 2000. There were 5 instances alone in the first half of last year, including 2 of them being toddlers: https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_use_five_palestinian_children_as_human_shields. Even the Israeli courts had made a ruling about it back in 2005: quote:The use of civilians as human shields, wherein civilians are forced to directly assist military operations or used to shield armed forces or armed groups or objects from attack, is prohibited under international law. The practice is also prohibited under Israeli law based on a 2005 ruling by the Israeli High Court of Justice. There we go, a post about the point that last video seemed to be about. But with citations about where the information came from. Kalit fucked around with this message at 10:25 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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socialsecurity posted:So some advisors that used to work for the government and have gone private makes something "a spooked up propaganda apparatus of the American government" does this apply to other news agencies in other governments or some unique evil aura that emits from ex-American government employees? I think you should consider these two questions, they should demonstrate to you why you're being unreasonable: If being advised by the former director of the CIA and the former secretary for homeland security doesn't qualify an organization as being "spooked up", what does? Would you apply this same standard to organizations in non-Western countries? Your standard for when an organization is "spooked up" really doesn't let you rule out very many organizations. Also Newsguard is a "fact checking" site and not a news agency, and yes, there is a unique evil aura emanating from former directors of the CIA. Regarding the report itself, even if that report is absolutely true, Kalit is misunderstanding what you can use that conclusion for. Tiktok is a platform for users to post content on, not a news agency. That it contains misinformation isn't a surprise. The existence of misinformation on Tiktok isn't a reason to reject links posted to Tiktok just because they're links to Tiktok, just like the existence of misinformation on Twitter is not a reason to reject links posted to that site. If someone links to some rando on Twitter who isn't sourcing their claims, you object because the claims aren't being sourced. You don't object because it's a link to twitter.com and imply that those are inherently tainted. Esran fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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The former CIA director in question lied to Congress under oath on behalf of the George W. Bush administration. Seems like a very odd board choice for an organization dedicated to rooting out misinformation.
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Esran posted:I think you should consider these two questions, they should demonstrate to you why you're being unreasonable:  hat. This misinformation rate is probably about the same on other major social media platforms in general, not specifically TikTok. I just used it as my primary example since it was the one posted. Also, I can post other studies that find roughly the same rate too, such as https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9949581/ quote:One hundred and sixty-six TikTok videos were identified and reviewed. Moderate misinformation was present in 36 (22%) videos viewed a median of 6.8 million times (interquartile range [IQR] 3.6–16 million), and high-level misinformation was present in 11 (7%) videos viewed a median of 9.4 million times (IQR 5.1–18 million). Missed your edit. And yes, I feel the same way about rando Twitter accounts. Unfortunately, journalists do actually break news on it, so I begrudgingly admit some of it has a place here Kalit fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:To be fair, if we're taking about misleading and completely inaccurate information, people have been posting the New York Times in here as a reputable source. From searching seems to happen about once a month and people argue against it being used as a source every time so it seems like it's not a huge issue.
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Kalit posted:Congrats on trusting a source that spreads misinformation at a 20% rate Lol, you pass off studies from AIPAC funded think tanks as objective.
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"Stop looking at all these other news sources" - some hasbara poisoned poster
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I suppose i did leave out the part about "also it would be a good idea to cite why we should care about what this account is saying".
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Goatse James Bond posted:I suppose i did leave out the part about "also it would be a good idea to cite why we should care about what this account is saying". Fair enough, I'll be sure to include that as well as an appropriate summary for any vids going forward.
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Kalit, now that your personal complaint about the thread has been given special attention by everyone and resolved specifically for your enjoyment Can you please respond to Your Brain on Hugs? The Sean fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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socialsecurity posted:From searching seems to happen about once a month and people argue against it being used as a source every time so it seems like it's not a huge issue. Kalit specifically has been pushing blindingly obvious (to anyone else, it seems) israeli lies and propaganda, albeit laundered through
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MasterSitsu posted:This is the.... worst thing I've ever seen? I mean it's youtube so it can't be gore but still if you post something like that I'd like a description, otherwise I'm not gonna click the button that says "feel bad".
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kiminewt posted:I mean it's youtube so it can't be gore but still if you post something like that I'd like a description, otherwise I'm not gonna click the button that says "feel bad". Israeli TV “comedy” sketch about pro-Hamas US university students entitled “Welcome to Columbia Untisemity“
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kiminewt posted:I mean it's youtube so it can't be gore but still if you post something like that I'd like a description, otherwise I'm not gonna click the button that says "feel bad". I didn't click, either but from context it was pretty obvious to me what the content was - i/P thread - israel flag motif and Hebrew writing profile pic (youtube) - hamfisted "antisemitism" pun in title - "whiny college liberals" motif, a classic in right and fascist "comedy" - low quality actors The Sean fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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The Sean posted:I didn't click, either but from context it was pretty obvious to me what the content was Not everyone can see that. I’d assume it depends on device/browser/extensions but all I and presumably some others see is the link.
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Yeah. On both Chrome & Awful I'm only seeing links. Makes some threads very difficult. At any rate, I clicked it now only to see that I've seen this video and like the previous time I closed it after two seconds. "Real" Israeli satire doesn't really exist anymore, but this sort of garbage was always very mainstream. The worldview and media/news bubble they're living in is a different universe and I doubt that will or can change.
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