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San Fran's actually a weird pick, because it's not actually all that big, relatively speaking. #17 in the nation, #4 in California, not even a million residents in the city itself. #13 metro area. Big city, but in outmatched in most respects, not even really close in the running for top of most anything on Wikipedia's city lists. Just kinda has an outsized image compared to what it deserves.
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The urban area around the bay is big, just none of the cities in it are particularly large. The Bay Area is like having five Clevelands all right next to each other.
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But the New York Times told me that this polygon south of Vacaville was “on the outskirts of Silicon Valley”.
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Mar 30, 2024 05:35
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Platystemon posted:But the New York Times told me that this polygon south of Vacaville was “on the outskirts of Silicon Valley”. Silicon Valley is roughly just Santa Clara County. People that try to include even San Francisco are wrong. Including Vacaville would be like calling Philadephia the outskirts of Manhattan
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Mar 30, 2024 06:02
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Grand Fromage posted:The urban area around the bay is big, just none of the cities in it are particularly large. The Bay Area is like having five Clevelands all right next to each other. but with worse food 
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Mar 30, 2024 06:02
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Family Values posted:Forced by the rising cost of living, particularly housing. How would housing costs keep going up if there weren't people moving in and buying? The people who are displacing them are moving in for jobs that don't *have* to be there. Housing in those areas aren't being bought up by actual people trying to move there, it's loving investment groups and rent seakers. Or people just willing to let property stay empty rather than rent at a lower rate.
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Mar 30, 2024 06:20
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drk posted:Silicon Valley is roughly just Santa Clara County. People that try to include even San Francisco are wrong. There's a lot of people that live in SF and work in Silicon Valley, which is loving insane to me. Live somewhere cheaper and spend your savings in Ren to take an Uber home from the rave in SF.
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Mar 30, 2024 06:29
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OwlFancier posted:I would. Why do you need as many people as possible? Most of human history had a fraction of the people alive today and we weren't worse off for it. Also seems like a bit of a strawman to take "We should concentrate the population into cities" and rewrite it as "We should cram as many people into the planet as possible".
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Mar 30, 2024 06:30
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We should do Arcologies. A city that is just one huge building.
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Mar 30, 2024 06:34
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FreudianSlippers posted:We should do Arcologies. 
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I imagine they live in one of those cities. It is a pretty typical attitude there.
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Family Values posted:I think it's not necessarily urban vs suburban but rather, do we need to cram everyone into NY SF and LA, or could we instead have a handful of 2-3 million cities distributed about instead? We tend to have cities that specialize: tech in the Bay Area, finance in NY, entertainment in LA, etc. But that's a 20th century model of industry; with the internet and zoom meetings etc. etc. there's no reason those industries can't be distributed across multiple cities like Detroit or St. Louis. As far as an individual is concerned, is a city of 3 million really more dehumanizing than a city of 10 million? The problem doesn't lie in size but in the quality of infrastructure as far as I'm concerned
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FreudianSlippers posted:We should do Arcologies. May I interest you in the Minnesota Experimental City?       
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SlothfulCobra posted:San Fran's actually a weird pick, because it's not actually all that big, relatively speaking. #17 in the nation, #4 in California, not even a million residents in the city itself. #13 metro area. Big city, but in outmatched in most respects, not even really close in the running for top of most anything on Wikipedia's city lists. Just kinda has an outsized image compared to what it deserves. I hate how so many American cities are so stupidly defined by county lines or whatever and the real population for all practical purposes is hidden as the metropolitan area . Yes, Los Angeles actually only has population of 10,000, the continuous sprawl of 10 million people that surrounds it is just incidental and doesn't count, we drew a line on the map and everything!
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Admiralty law is, unsurprisingly, not well equipped to deal with issues on land.
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Brawnfire posted:I live by a highschool across from a McDonald's You're what you eat and by that I mean Seagulls taste like double whoppers.
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Air Skwirl posted:Housing in those areas aren't being bought up by actual people trying to move there, it's loving investment groups and rent seakers. Or people just willing to let property stay empty rather than rent at a lower rate. lol
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steinrokkan posted:I hate how so many American cities are so stupidly defined by county lines or whatever and the real population for all practical purposes is hidden as the metropolitan area . Yes, Los Angeles actually only has population of 10,000, the continuous sprawl of 10 million people that surrounds it is just incidental and doesn't count, we drew a line on the map and everything! I mean the area inside that line is the area that the city government controls administers and passes policies and ordinances for. It’s not just trivia really
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If you wanna go fuzzy "everyone who is connected to or relies on things related to this one city" measurements, that's what metropolitan statistical areas are for, but those often go kinda overboard with including big huge empty areas or decreeing that separate cities are linked across fairly empy areas as one singular unit. You are also condemned to a thousand hours of somebody talking to you about the Dallas fort worth Metroplex as one of the biggest and most important city-like units in the nation and still growing. The dynamics of growing cities maybe eventually forming weird fusions of administratively separate units that don't want to fully acknowledge the fact that they have become a singular unit also exist in other countries. Suburbs are constantly refusing to be administratively annexed, places with long histories of rivalry often refuse to give up their identity. I think the only way you can get around that is if either there's no local input or if you're building cities basically from scratch in the middle of nowhere and you can annex lots of empty space in advance of your prospective needs so that you don't have to worry about resistance of locals.
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SlothfulCobra posted:If you wanna go fuzzy "everyone who is connected to or relies on things related to this one city" measurements, that's what metropolitan statistical areas are for, but those often go kinda overboard with including big huge empty areas or decreeing that separate cities are linked across fairly empy areas as one singular unit. You are also condemned to a thousand hours of somebody talking to you about the Dallas fort worth Metroplex as one of the biggest and most important city-like units in the nation and still growing. Posted before but for personal pop statistics purposes: https://www.tomforth.co.uk/circlepopulations/
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Grand Fromage posted:The urban area around the bay is big, just none of the cities in it are particularly large. The Bay Area is like having five Clevelands all right next to each other. Using the circle population tool referenced in the previous post, I can get just about 6 million people in a 50km radius circle centered on Haywood- this includes San Francisco, San Jose, etc. so I feel I'm being pretty generous. The same circle easily gets 12 million in LA, 16 million in NYC, 8 million in Chicago, 7 million around Washington D.C/Baltimore, 7 million around Dallas/Ft. Worth, 7 million around Houston. I can get 5 million around Boston, Atlanta, and Phoenix. I can't quite get to 6 million around Philadelphia, but it's close. In conclusion I would have to agree with that that putting San Francisco in the same category as LA or NYC is absurd, even if you generously give it the whole Bay Area, and its lower place in population lists is not just an artifact of administrative divisions. It is at best Philadelphia-tier, and does not deserve any special place in a list of the largest cities in the US.
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steinrokkan posted:I hate how so many American cities are so stupidly defined by county lines or whatever and the real population for all practical purposes is hidden as the metropolitan area . Yes, Los Angeles actually only has population of 10,000, the continuous sprawl of 10 million people that surrounds it is just incidental and doesn't count, we drew a line on the map and everything! This is true of cities pretty much everywhere. Helsinki: artificially divided into four cities; Stockholm: weird random counties start basically in the middle of the city; Copenhagen: same; Paris: famously a city of only three million or whatever.
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I don't know about the others but the story I heard about Copenhagen is that the reason there's an enclave in the middle of the city that is in a different municipality is because that's where the rich people live and they didn't want to pay city taxes for the poor.
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Most of the Metropolitan Statistical Area lists cut the Bay Area in half, since otherwise the Bay Area is more than twice as large in area than any other Metropolitan Statistical Area which is just kinda silly. It is around the size of Albania. The Bay Area is listed as one of the units of the Combined Statistical Areas list, which are these hulking behemoths which almost certainly have passed the point where they should be considered singular cities. Here's MSAs and CSAs.   And then the Bay Area still ends up as only #5 among all that. That also runs into the weird point that San Jose is bigger than San Francisco. Has been since 1990. Its metropolitan statistical area at the south of the bay of San Jose–Sunnyvale–Santa Clara may be smaller than the northern San Francisco–Oakland–Fremont, but it kinda makes me think that San Jose should probably have more dominance over the whole of the Bay Area over San Francisco, regardless of which city the bay was named for. Incidentally, the one Wikipedia list I did find where San Francisco in the top 3 was "GDP per capita", where San Francisco's metropolitan statistical area was #3, right behind San Jose's MSA. But in the #1 spot was the absolute titan of Midland, Texas, which I think puts into doubt the importance of that statistic.
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Carbon dioxide posted:I don't know about the others but the story I heard about Copenhagen is that the reason there's an enclave in the middle of the city that is in a different municipality is because that's where the rich people live and they didn't want to pay city taxes for the poor. Yeah I mean there's usually valid historical reasons for these cases, but when the city grows it becomes very artificial for most purposes
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SlothfulCobra posted:it kinda makes me think that San Jose should probably have more dominance over the whole of the Bay Area over San Francisco, regardless of which city the bay was named for. The body of water was named first.
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I'd be interested in the logistics of a massive cube-house that is the home of the entire human race. Do farmers commute halfway across the world to tend to their crop? Is there a 20-lane highway just for the cargo? How claustrophobic do you feel living somewhere at the bottom, like the 5th floor, in the center of the cube?
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nimby posted:I'd be interested in the logistics of a massive cube-house that is the home of the entire human race. That just sounds like the fastest way to get all of humanity to kill one another.
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I think that would also be like, all humans stacked together like sardines with just enough room for the structural elements. So less housing and more like a mortuary for the entire species.
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Why not go one step further quote:If you blended all 7.88 billion people on Earth into a fine goo (density of a human = 985 kg/m3, average human body mass = 62 kg), you would end up with a sphere of human goo just under 1 km wide. I made a visualization of how that would look like in the middle of Central Park in NYC
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OwlFancier posted:I think that would also be like, all humans stacked together like sardines with just enough room for the structural elements. So less housing and more like a mortuary for the entire species. e: I suppose no one will be confused about what I meant now.
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I hate that I can't get a classic NYC meat orb in chicago, they only have deep dish meat orb.
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I prefer the Connecticut handmade orb.
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Could I have a meat orb made in a country with worker rights?
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All the countries with worker's rights also had some ethical objections to blending all 7.88 billion people on Earth into a fine goo.
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They could blend 7.88 billion people into goo and still have a Brazil left over.
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I could have seen Bolsonaro having no ethical objections to that, but he was also an anti worker's rights guy. Maybe Archibald Wanka down in Argentina will do it.
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Guavanaut posted:All the countries with worker's rights also had some ethical objections to blending all 7.88 billion people on Earth into a fine goo. 
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Guavanaut posted:All the countries with worker's rights also had some ethical objections to blending all 7.88 billion people on Earth into a fine goo. We shouldn't reject ideas a priori, before we even gave them a honest go
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