Paradoxish posted:

In like four years I've never made any genuinely dire predictions because our society is poo poo and can absorb stupid amounts of death and suffering, but I don't think you actually need anywhere near 50% mortality to cause everything to fall apart. I think 5-15% is probably the magic range where society implodes just because COVID has so profoundly destroyed the concept of public health. That's the point where every family has a death and every workplace stops being able to function as most people choose to face tank the 1 in 10 death chance rather than taking the appropriate response of running in terror.

It can probably get really bad at <5% if non-fatal infections are extremely debilitating and/or require hospitalization.

Oracle posted:

I mean if it’s a seriously disfiguring disease or makes your dick fall off or rots your flesh from your bones ala leprosy that might give some people pause. They don’t fear death but they drat sure fear being ugly.

Oracle posted:

I mean if it’s a seriously disfiguring disease or makes your dick fall off or rots your flesh from your bones ala leprosy that might give some people pause. They don’t fear death but they drat sure fear being ugly.

www.whitehouse.gov - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 posted:

…
 But think how we’ve diminished the dialogue. What are we doing? What the hell are we doing to our children?

 You know, the pandemic has extracted a big price from us, from this society. One million people dead. Didn’t have to be that high. Didn’t have to be that. 

 We came in, we got to work, and finished it. 

 But here’s the deal. I was speaking with Vivek Murthy, our Surgeon General that I appointed. He talks about the mental health problems that exist in the country as a consequence of this. For every single person who passed away, the estimates are there’s 8 to 10 people who are profoundly affected — mother, father, son, daughter, husband, wife. And it’s had a profound effect.

 Well, folks, we can overcome all of this. We really can. And I think it just — and the world is looking for us to lead. 

 I don’t want to — you know, everybody says, “Well, why are you putting the burden on us?” Because it’s who we are. 

 We’re the most unique country in the world. Last comment, I promise. The most unique country in the world. Every other country is organized based upon ethnicity, geography, religion.  It’s a — but we’re the only country based on an idea. It’s not — it’s not a joke. An idea. 

mawarannahr posted:

quote:

It’s a — but we’re the only country based on an idea. It’s not — it’s not a joke. An idea.

Kragger99 posted:

Bovid will be fine. There's herd immunity! I'm sure the people in charge will take stock of the situation. Have they ever steered us wrong? At least the steaks aren't that high and that's no bull.

mawarannahr posted:

It’s a — but we’re the only country based on an idea. It’s not — it’s not a joke. An idea

Animal-Mother posted:

I would like to see a country based on a joke.

Paradoxish posted:

In like four years I've never made any genuinely dire predictions because our society is poo poo and can absorb stupid amounts of death and suffering, but I don't think you actually need anywhere near 50% mortality to cause everything to fall apart. I think 5-15% is probably the magic range where society implodes just because COVID has so profoundly destroyed the concept of public health. That's the point where every family has a death and every workplace stops being able to function as most people choose to face tank the 1 in 10 death chance rather than taking the appropriate response of running in terror.

It can probably get really bad at <5% if non-fatal infections are extremely debilitating and/or require hospitalization. Nightmare scenario is a disease with actual lasting immunity from infection because survivors will have zero tolerance for anyone who wants to avoid infection.

mawarannahr posted:

this mf
Remarks by President Biden at a Campaign Event | New York, NY | The White House

quote:

finished it.

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

When. When did was it "finished"

mawarannahr posted:

the $60 box of 440 blue rubber band auras arrived

Platystemon posted:

lol you overpaid

Could have had the red strap 1870+ healthcare model for less.

space chandeliers posted:

mawarannahr posted:

where at?

space chandeliers posted:

Platystemon posted:

Same deal, Amazon vendors with overstock of mysterious provenance.

https://www.amazon.com/Aura-Particulate-Respirator-1870Plus-NIOSH/dp/B0937JGMY7

I’d probably go with shipped by “Keebomed Keebovet” over whatever “Todd’s Throve” is.

Tragic case of long bovid.

Steve Yun posted:

which one is the biggest

space chandeliers posted:

mycomancy posted:

If this happens you got like a week tops before everything collapses, no way you can have 50% lethality and not have your civilization start crumbling too. You just wind up not having enough people to run the place, not to mention all the knockoff deaths, the increased childhood mortality, the pure logistics of dealing with 500 million kilograms of rotting human flesh, the opportunistic wars. Real Biblical, cats and dogs living together poo poo.

Forseti posted:

What was the website? Seems like https://youhavetoliveyour.life/ is down now

Potato Salad posted:

if we actually get to that point, lol @ everyone who still thinks paper and cloth masks will actually protect them

roffels posted:

I know it's a popular joke around here, but did you folks not have things shut down near you? Like in Minneapolis, "non-essential" businesses had temporary closures, which included tele-learning, capacity limits imposed, or rules banning dining in. I'm assuming that's what people are referring to?

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/03/25/minnesotas-covid19-stayathome-order-what-you-need-to-know

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/episode-145-hospital-capacity-crisis posted:

In the United States. 40 different states enacted some type of stay at home orders in March of 2020. If you look at those 40, within eight weeks, all of them were basically lifted. More importantly, many of them were basically screen doors on a submarine in terms of what they accomplished. In Minnesota, for example, the governor had in place a stay at home order except for essential workers, but 82% of our workforce was defined as essential workers. We never really had a lockdown here. There may be individual companies or organizations that decided not to have activities or be open, but it wasn't forced on it. And remember, the pandemic lasted more than three years. In that sense, this was 6 to 8 weeks at the beginning of the pandemic, when at that point, fewer than 5% of all the cases had occurred. So we get into these debates about lockdowns and what happened. This is just an emotional issue. There was never really any activity that was a lockdown as far as I'm concerned, in this country.

no lube so what posted:

bil got hlh (autoimmune thing) a few months after covid infection (# unknown). almost died. by some grace it went into remission. then he got some blood clots and had to go to the er. then he got diagnosed with early onset stills (another but similar autoimmune thing) then his hlh came out of remission and he had another stint in the hospital. he’s 38.

world is a gently caress, trust your respirator

Platystemon posted:

Old post, but allow me to quote Minnesota’s premiere epidemiologist on this exact topic, because we will all be hearing about it for the rest of our natural lives.

DickParasite posted:

I assume he/she/they were sacked for speaking plain truth?

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

I'll suggest BORVID which is a combination of bovine + corvid + covid

mawarannahr posted:

the $60 box of 440 blue rubber band auras arrived



haven't opened them yet but I have had good luck with vendors on Amazon selling them really cheap. i think there isn't much demand anymore. they seem just like the ones i ordered from industrial and other established places. most importantly, they smell exactly right -- it is a very distinct smell. have been protected 6+ months by them.

quote:

The proportions of people over 65 who report using alcohol in the past year (about 56 percent) and the past month (about 43 percent) are lower than for all other groups of adults. But older drinkers are markedly more likely to do it frequently, on 20 or more days a month, than younger ones.

Moreover, a 2018 meta-analysis found that binge drinking (defined as four or more drinks on a single occasion for women, five or more for men) had climbed nearly 40 percent among older Americans over the past 10 to 15 years.

What’s going on here?

The pandemic has clearly played a role. The C.D.C. reported that deaths attributable directly to alcohol use, emergency room visits associated with alcohol, and alcohol sales per capita all rose from 2019 to 2020, as Covid arrived and restrictions took hold.

“A lot of stressors impacted us: the isolation, the worries about getting sick,” Dr. Koob said. “They point to people drinking more to cope with that stress.”

Researchers also cite a cohort effect. Compared to those before and after them, “the boomers are a substance-using generation,” said Keith Humphreys, a psychologist and addiction researcher at Stanford. And they’re not abandoning their youthful behavior, he said.