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Tommy the Newt: Mar 25, 2017; The king of the sand castle

Captainicus posted:

I would say the headshot weakness is a bit overstated

Just to clarify, I'm not saying heavier armour is always bad, just my personal preference is to lean towards consistency as far as my player character goes. If heavy armour or democracy protects isn't consistently saving me in situations where I'd have died in light I'm not interested, just in a stubborn, fundamental way. Ultralight will always let me run faster, longer and have +30% better weapon handling/+2 grenades etc. Even if I can see that over time heavier sets can provide tangible value, coinflips or dice rolls on the player end are a turnoff for me. If I want more protection I'll take the bubble shield because it performs consistently.

I probably sound like the most boring shithead in the world, but that's how I play games. I'm not criticising your armour choice at all though.

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# ? May 27, 2024 12:59

Captainicus: Feb 22, 2013

Tommy the Newt posted:

Just to clarify, I'm not saying heavier armour is always bad, just my personal preference is to lean towards consistency as far as my player character goes. If heavy armour or democracy protects isn't consistently saving me in situations where I'd have died in light I'm not interested, just in a stubborn, fundamental way. Ultralight will always let me run faster, longer and have +30% better weapon handling/+2 grenades etc. Even if I can see that over time heavier sets can provide tangible value, coinflips or dice rolls on the player end are a turnoff for me. If I want more protection I'll take the bubble shield because it performs consistently.

I probably sound like the most boring shithead in the world, but that's how I play games. I'm not criticising your armour choice at all though.

Of course, any set you use to spread democracy is a good set!

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:09

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

Some nicely designed Democratic Merch coming shortly for those who want to proclaim their allegiance to the cause

https://www.insertcoinclothing.com/blog/2024/03/official-helldivers-2-range-preorders-now-live/

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:16

Ravenfood: Nov 4, 2011

What does armor fundamentally do for the player? How much protection is Extra Padding vs Explosive resist, for instance? How much damage resistance am I giving up going from 150 to 50, for instance? I certainly don't feel much more fragile in 50 armor despite seeing a noticeable increase to stamina and speed.

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thotsky: Jun 7, 2005; hot to trot

With a shield it's negligable. With the dog I like the 100 light armor from the super shop.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:31

Durzel: Nov 15, 2005

turn off the TV posted:

the major orders don't really matter either way. if this current campaign fails the message is probably going to be "oh no, the robots have gunships because we couldn't take their factories" if the players lose or "we found out that the robot gunships were being made on another planet" if they win. the outcome is ultimately going to be the same and nothing will change because the devs aren't going to not add the new featuers and game modes that they're working on

people have data mined all of the dialogue for the current story critical major orders and iirc a decent number of them don't even have failure options.

This is broadly my take on it too. The major orders are interesting from a �coo the devs want us to do something� world building or lore or whatever, but we�re getting whatever is on their roadmap at the planned intervals regardless.

As someone who has maxed level, req & samples medals aren�t even the most attractive reward. The amount you get for participating (and you literally only have to complete one mission there on any difficulty to get the same reward) is negligible compared to grinding other missions, particularly on Bugs instead. If they offered a decent chunk of Super Credits, dare I say it if they made major orders the only practical way of getting decent amounts of them, then you�d probably get more interest & dedication to succeeding.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:43

Chuds McGreedy: Aug 26, 2007; Jumanji

That ultralight extra padded armor is my new favorite, at the time I just wanted to get the helmet but had the credits for the armor too and went for it, glad I did. Now hunters don�t get easy kills, and I can still outpace everything else.

I exclusively used the newbie scout armor beforehand, which was nice for the detection radius passive, but I eventually get found out anyway when I�m not running from point to point, and the map ping passive I only used on a case-by-case basis. Probably not as often as I should, so it�s wasted on me.

�Light Gunner� is the name of the ultralight 100 armor set, Supercredit Store purchase from like a week or two ago. Dunno the store rotation schedule, if there is one, but that�s about how long ago it was.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:51

Fishstick: Jul 9, 2005; Does not require preheating

smellmycheese posted:

This is going to be a dumb question but why would you not wear the armour suit that gives you a FIFTY PERCENT CHANCE NOT TO DIE WHEN YOU GET WHACKED? Feel free to explain to me why I�m an idiot

Extra impact grenades and autocannon accuracy goes brrrr

Ravenfood posted:

What does armor fundamentally do for the player? How much protection is Extra Padding vs Explosive resist, for instance? How much damage resistance am I giving up going from 150 to 50, for instance? I certainly don't feel much more fragile in 50 armor despite seeing a noticeable increase to stamina and speed.

From a post i found:

quote:

Here is how armor and health actually works:
Player base health is 90 HP, the Vitality Enhancer increases player health by 20%, bringing it up to 108 HP (it does nothing else).
Limb Health and Limb Injuries have absolutely no relation whatsoever to damage taken, and are entirely separate from your HP.
The base damage modifier for Torso is x1.0, Head is x1.5 and Arms and Legs are roughly x0.85 (limb damage modifier wasn't the main scope of our week of testing).

Unlike enemies, the player has an Armor Value (AV) of 0, meaning you can be damaged from any source.
Instead, players use Damage Resistance (DR) which is a % of damage blocked by incoming damage, and is not represented or conveyed properly at all by the armor "stats".
"Armor Rating" (AR) doesn't actually mean anything, it's fake UI element that's purely there to tell you if something has more or less "armor".

The actual table for AR translated to DR actually looks like this.
AR - DR - BLOCKED - RECIEVED
0 = 0% - x0 - x1.0
50 = 20% - x0.2 - x0.8
75 = 28% - x0.28 - x0.72
100 = 36% - x0.36 - x0.64
125 = 42.4% - x0.424 - x0.576
150 = 48.8% - x.0488 - x0.512
200 = 59.04% - x0.5904 - x0.4096

Extra padding is straight up just extra armor for that armor set, explosive resist is just that - it cuts explosive incoming damage by half - but you can still get nailed for full damage by the impact of rockets from devastators, for example.

Fishstick fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Mar 31, 2024

# ? Mar 31, 2024 12:58

Tommy the Newt: Mar 25, 2017; The king of the sand castle

I'm not sure how true that is about the vitality booster, I watched a video a while back that showed it only affected limb health and was pretty convinced by their evidence. I can't find the video again now but I'm sceptical. I've not tested it myself though.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 13:12

Durzel: Nov 15, 2005

Chuds McGreedy posted:

That ultralight extra padded armor is my new favorite, at the time I just wanted to get the helmet but had the credits for the armor too and went for it, glad I did. Now hunters don�t get easy kills, and I can still outpace everything else.

I exclusively used the newbie scout armor beforehand, which was nice for the detection radius passive, but I eventually get found out anyway when I�m not running from point to point, and the map ping passive I only used on a case-by-case basis. Probably not as often as I should, so it�s wasted on me.

�Light Gunner� is the name of the ultralight 100 armor set, Supercredit Store purchase from like a week or two ago. Dunno the store rotation schedule, if there is one, but that�s about how long ago it was.

Friend runs that, I�m tempted to do the same. Light armour with medium armour protection, what�s not to like.

I�ve been running the 30% less recoil/50% explosive resist medium armour since they fixed the stats. It feels like it would be great, but I�m not going to survive a misguided Eagle airstrike and it doesn�t seem to stop me getting deleted by bots with rockets, even with a shield, so yeah�

Always Be Moving feels like a better defensive strategy anyway.

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smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

Well I don�t know what�s happened but it�s crashing very loving mission I play today. Hasn�t happened before

# ? Mar 31, 2024 13:38

GlyphGryph: Jun 23, 2013; Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

Welp, after a couple times being kicked at extraction without a word said I think I'm done with this game for a few weeks. Wish I'd ever have anyone join when I was hosting a lobby so I could actually finish a few missions.

Ah well.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 13:41

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

GlyphGryph posted:

Welp, after a couple times being kicked at extraction without a word said I think I'm done with this game for a few weeks. Wish I'd ever have anyone join when I was hosting a lobby so I could actually finish a few missions.

Ah well.

join the discord

# ? Mar 31, 2024 13:42

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

My team was despairing in chat about the super samples they hadn't managed to get onto the shuttle, and all three alt f4'd as it took off. But they'd lost track of who was carrying the samples. They'd managed to get all five onboard before they ragequit. They'd been getting into terrible robot snowball fights over nothing all game while I did the objectives, and eventually we ran out of reinforcements trying to get the samples out of the robot ball. What a waste of effort! I watched the samples count up in the victory screen by myself

# ? Mar 31, 2024 13:45

CelticPredator: Oct 11, 2013; 🍀👽🆚🪖🏋

GlyphGryph posted:

Welp, after a couple times being kicked at extraction without a word said I think I'm done with this game for a few weeks. Wish I'd ever have anyone join when I was hosting a lobby so I could actually finish a few missions.

Ah well.

it�s gonna happen but just reload into a new one and keep diving

# ? Mar 31, 2024 14:00

Ravenfood: Nov 4, 2011

Fishstick posted:

Extra impact grenades and autocannon accuracy goes brrrr

From a post i found:

Extra padding is straight up just extra armor for that armor set, explosive resist is just that - it cuts explosive incoming damage by half - but you can still get nailed for full damage by the impact of rockets from devastators, for example.

Huh, interesting that stacking armor has mathematically diminishing returns to compensate for the fact that each percentage of total damage reduction is of greater value.

Either way, for light armor an extra 16% damage reduction seems not worth it compared to extra grenades and recoil reduction, extra stims, or extra throwing. That doesn't seem enough to save you from 1-hits and more stims will help more for chip damage. I think, that's all feeling.

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smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

Hwurmp posted:

join the discord

I got the goondiver list from there and almost none of the friend codes seem to work

# ? Mar 31, 2024 14:32

BurntCornMuffin: Jan 9, 2009

smellmycheese posted:

This is going to be a dumb question but why would you not wear the armour suit that gives you a FIFTY PERCENT CHANCE NOT TO DIE WHEN YOU GET WHACKED? Feel free to explain to me why I’m an idiot

It's not a bad choice, in fact it's quite good. I just use other armors because:

It's only on medium armor and I like mobility.
I like medical armor more because you you can huff drugs and be invincible/have infinite stamina for 4 seconds when you get shot, giving you a better chance to gtfo.
I like stealth armor more because I rarely get shot at in the first place wearing it.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 14:51

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

smellmycheese posted:

I got the goondiver list from there and almost none of the friend codes seem to work

I think the idea is more that we can ping for a group and quite reliably get a full squad of Internet Weirdos on discord voice for spreading propaganda and/or democracy

# ? Mar 31, 2024 14:56

Black Noise: Jan 23, 2008; WHAT UP

smellmycheese posted:

I got the goondiver list from there and almost none of the friend codes seem to work

The codes update every few days it seems don�t trust it. You go in there say �is anyone diving� and wait 5 - 10 minutes depending on the time of day. Generally people run up to 7s casually.

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smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

Ah I see

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:01

smellmycheese: Feb 1, 2016

I�m thoroughly enjoying playing the game with pubs. I can only imagine a proper goon game on good comms would be fantastic

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:02

Aumanor: Nov 9, 2012

smellmycheese posted:

I got the goondiver list from there and almost none of the friend codes seem to work

Try using the steam codes, those are a lot more reliable.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:09

Aipsh: Feb 17, 2006; GLUPP SHITTO FAN CLUB PRESIDENT

https://x.com/helldivers2hq/status/1774302603129610481?s=46

I have no idea if this true but hmmm. Scorcher feels mostly useless to me

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:45

Mesadoram: Nov 4, 2009; Serious Business

Giving pubbies hugs is the most Democratic thing one can do in this game.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:55

Black Noise: Jan 23, 2008; WHAT UP

Someone reached out for a hug after a dire extract and left ship when I went for it.

No more hugs :argh:

# ? Mar 31, 2024 15:59

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smellmycheese posted:

This is going to be a dumb question but why would you not wear the armour suit that gives you a FIFTY PERCENT CHANCE NOT TO DIE WHEN YOU GET WHACKED? Feel free to explain to me why I�m an idiot

0% chance to die if i coby that airstrike from the other side of the map

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:10

cheeseboy58: Dec 14, 2020

smellmycheese posted:

I�m thoroughly enjoying playing the game with pubs. I can only imagine a proper goon game on good comms would be fantastic

its apretty good time

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:17

Mr. Maggy: Aug 17, 2014

throwing airstrikes at my feet is the cool way to throw them

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:23

Apes-A-Poppin: Dec 3, 2015

smellmycheese posted:

Well I don�t know what�s happened but it�s crashing very loving mission I play today. Hasn�t happened before

Apparently the Arc weapons are still bugged and cause crashes, so that might be the reason if you are running them. This includes the Tesla tower.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:25

Lovely Joe Stalin: Jun 12, 2007; Our Lovely Wang

Anecdotal but that thing about DoT only working properly for the host seems to be true. My friend who is almost always the host tried orbital gas for the first time last night and it seemed far more deadly as a breach sealer than when I use it as a guest.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:30

RC Cola: Aug 1, 2011; Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Hwurmp posted:

join the discord

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:31

RC Cola: Aug 1, 2011; Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

smellmycheese posted:

I’m thoroughly enjoying playing the game with pubs. I can only imagine a proper goon game on good comms would be fantastic

I had goons carrying me in bots 7 yesterday. They were very nice about my constant deaths and lack of kills. It's a wonderful community

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Spookydonut posted:

0% chance to die if i coby that airstrike from the other side of the map

Kobe

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:44

Hwurmp: May 20, 2005

what's the best ship name

I've seen King of Democracy and Fist of Family Values, those are both pretty quality

my own ship was Pride of Pride for a long while but now it's Bringer of Science

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:46

Durzel: Nov 15, 2005

Aipsh posted:

https://x.com/helldivers2hq/status/1774302603129610481?s=46

I have no idea if this true but hmmm. Scorcher feels mostly useless to me

Scorcher is explosive, not incendiary. It also slaps.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:46

Ravenfood: Nov 4, 2011

Hwurmp posted:

what's the best ship name

I've seen King of Democracy and Fist of Family Values, those are both pretty quality

my own ship was Pride of Pride for a long while but now it's Bringer of Science

I'm running the Emperor of Equality currently.

# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:49

Black Noise: Jan 23, 2008; WHAT UP

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# ? Mar 31, 2024 16:58

Amazing Member: Apr 4, 2008

Black Noise posted:

Page 420 Sovereign of Audacity Blaze It

He is rizzin

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# ? May 27, 2024 12:59

RC Cola: Aug 1, 2011; Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

Hwurmp posted:

what's the best ship name

I've seen King of Democracy and Fist of Family Values, those are both pretty quality

my own ship was Pride of Pride for a long while but now it's Bringer of Science

Mine is the Harbinger of Democracy

It just sounds ominous

# ? Mar 31, 2024 17:05

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