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And if these festivals are bleeding money what is the justification for publicly funding them? What is the actual cultural gain over what laserface suggests? I don't understand why you seem so put out that there isn't a festival that appeals to you. There are plenty of festivals of varying scale for a wide variety of music, and I don't understand specifically why you feel put out that there isn't a festival that appeals to you. Why is dancing outside such a big deal to you yet you apparently don't consider dance music festivals worthwhile? I'm not trying to wind you up I just legit don't understand your viewpoint here.
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hambeet posted:Bucky host a festival I mean that is literally what people who are into niche musical genres that don't have broad appeal do every year so yeah, unironically this. I'm sure we all agree that these kinds of festivals could probably do with more funding but that isn't what bucky suggests, he's suggesting a top down funding first model which is not only an insanely hard sell on financials alone but seems like a recipe for grifters to run wild. Also I really loving resent buckys implication that AJ Maddah paying people back when not under a legal obligation to do so is some kind of moral act on his part. Its not. He's a promoter, that's his skillset and I'm not qualified to comment on whether or not soundwaves failure was due to incompetence or circumstances but given that is what he does, him paying back bands is simply the bare minimum he needs to do to ensure that he can continue to work as a promoter Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:And if these festivals are bleeding money what is the justification for publicly funding them? There should be public funding for tabletop wargames, roleplaying games and boardgame conventions! Granted the smell might be worse and holding them outdoors would only work for the LARPers.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:There has been a non metal music festival once a month in Brisbane since November what are you talking about Jezza of OZPOS posted:top tier musicians that can't make a living playing music here Make up your mind man! And I'm talking about this:  Jezza of OZPOS posted:And if these festivals are bleeding money what is the justification for publicly funding them? What is the actual cultural gain over what laserface suggests? I don't understand why you seem so put out that there isn't a festival that appeals to you. There are plenty of festivals of varying scale for a wide variety of music, and I don't understand specifically why you feel put out that there isn't a festival that appeals to you. Why is dancing outside such a big deal to you yet you apparently don't consider dance music festivals worthwhile? I'm not trying to wind you up I just legit don't understand your viewpoint here. The cultural gain is thousands of people dancing outside, which has been a vital and universal part of the human experience since the dawn of time. If the free market can't provide that then yes it should be publicly funded, but this conversation is about exploring ways to do it within the private sector. Happy to sign-off on all of Laserface's suggestions. Dance music festivals are absolutely worthwhile. RIP Good Vibes in particular. There should also be something for the Gen Y / Millenial crowd who can't handle necking a bunch of pills all weekend anymore and want to roll out a picnic blanket and enjoy some good poo poo without having to walk all over the shop. What have you had up in Brizzy? What kind of crowd and what kind of attendance in what kind of places with what kind of bands in what kind of format at what kind of prices? I don't get out much any more, this isn't about what I want, it's about what's healthy for society as a whole. And you bloody brought this up didn't you!? I was responding to this: Jezza of OZPOS posted:After the splendour in the grass cancellation there was a callout for submissions wrt using arts funding to figure out a sustainable way to keep music festivals viable also I'm not saying anything about Aj's moral character, just his qualifications to comment on the logistics of putting on a gig at the showgrounds, which we have subsequently ruled out in favour of setting up in a park.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Then yes, a lot of things happened and he spread too thin and made some bad calls he also hosed people over for a percentage
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People are still dancing outside bucky you absolute loving moron why do you insist on being the densest motherfucker alive. I'm sorry if sydney sucks rear end too much to have these things. Thats the only reasonable conclusion I can come to reading your posts on the matter. We had Juicy, Good Things, a massive NYE outdoor festival, another RNB festival I can't remember the name of all taking up roughly the same market size as Soundwave/Knotfest. There are also regular outdoor festivals on a smaller scale at the eatons hill hotel and countless bushdoofs. Regurgitator did an incredible festival for the Unit anniversary and it owned. People can still dance outside.
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Yeah there’s at least been at least edit: just googled and found more
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I think there are festivals where they have a theme and genre of music that's a bit smaller in scope, then festivals where you've got Bjork getting yelled at by whatever metal fans are there on that day. Electronic festivals are still going well for instance. I decided to investigate why my brain went to Bjork and it's because of 2008 big day out where the RATM fans were having a fit at Silverchair and Bjork lol
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:People are still dancing outside bucky you absolute loving moron why do you insist on being the densest motherfucker alive. I'm sorry if sydney sucks rear end too much to have these things. Thats the only reasonable conclusion I can come to reading your posts on the matter. We had Juicy, Good Things, a massive NYE outdoor festival, another RNB festival I can't remember the name of all taking up roughly the same market size as Soundwave/Knotfest. There are also regular outdoor festivals on a smaller scale at the eatons hill hotel and countless bushdoofs. Regurgitator did an incredible festival for the Unit anniversary and it owned. People can still dance outside. Fucks sake Jeremy, settle down. Much-loved festivals are collapsing to the point where it's a major news story, I'm not making this up. And you were the one who specifically said we need to figure out a sustainable way to keep them alive. To which my answer is: One stage, 10-15 bands, good food and drinks, in a nice centrally located field. That's how you do it. Laserface said just go to local gigs, to which I say cool but a big crowd outside is also important. 10,000 people in a field. I'm happy for the metal-heads but the other demographics need stuff too.
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festivals are bad and i don't personally care if they die, but the industry is absolutely struggling right now, there have been a lot of prominent festivals cancelled lately i would prefer for the government to support the music industry in a way that supports the artists and isn't just propping up festivals
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What festival has been canned apart from splendour? Groovin in the mood? Who could have predicted musical festivals in regional areas would be cancelled? And please point out where I said we need to figure out how to keep festivals alive, you are literally skimming posts without reading them. gently caress off dude festivals are still alive and viable. I'm sorry the money pits propping up air bnbs were cancelled but the festivals normal people can actually afford to do go are doing fine. Get over it. Just BC a bunch of media class fail children are writing articles about it doesn't mean it's real it just means they're as detached from reality as you are and they're mad BC they already booked a 6 bedroom house for splendour months ago and can't get the deposit back
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Electric Gardens music festival happened literally yesterday in Sydney, with a sold out crowd and several big name international DJs Maybe you missed the r&b festival in parramatta last week Or the drum & bass one that was also yesterday Or the one in a couple of weeks with known metal bands like Blondie and Placebo Or the sold out Field Day on NYD But there’s no festivals these days
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Trying to insist Newington - which is an environmentally sensitive area and a wharf that at low tides can't be used built on a historic site with preserivie order over it and with no existing PT other than an asspull idea of ferries that above reasons won't happen - when Penrith Lakes exist and has been used for festivals - is stupid. Not that Penrith Lakes is great for purpose but it's better than an area that also has residents close enough that may well get real annoyed by the noise I'm not sure trying to handwave someone who sounds like they stiffed people for a lot of money is a good look either CAT INTERCEPTOR fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:They are famously dropping left and right, to the point where it’s a pretty big news story, and yes unless you like metal there isn’t really anything. So they need to take a look at how the metal bands are running things and copy their methods. Also, hovercraft can easily be electric. You can even put solar panels over the skirts.
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webmeister posted:Electric Gardens music festival happened literally yesterday in Sydney, with a sold out crowd and several big name international DJs That boomer Placebo festival had the weirdest lineup I wish I'd gone to check out the crowd lol
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webmeister posted:Electric Gardens music festival happened literally yesterday in Sydney, with a sold out crowd and several big name international DJs Good for Electric Gardens. Looks like one stage, with five DJs, in a park in a central location. Pandemonium (with placebo etc) has apparently had to downsize on the run to one stage, possibly two. Glad Field Day is still rocking, they managed to pick the right date to lock in. The point is that plenty have had to pull the plug. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Trying to insist Newington - which is an environmentally sensitive area and a wharf that at low tides can't be used built on a historic site with preserivie order over it and with no existing PT other than an asspull idea of ferries that above reasons won't happen - when Penrith Lakes exist and has been used for festivals - is stupid. Not that Penrith Lakes is great for purpose but it's better than an area that also has residents close enough that may well get real annoyed by the noise It's a sports field you dingbat. 5 minutes from Olympic park. But Centennial is still an option too. Good luck getting people out to Penrith for the day. Jezza of OZPOS posted:please point out where I said we need to figure out how to keep festivals alive Jezza of OZPOS posted:After the splendour in the grass cancellation there was a callout for submissions wrt using arts funding to figure out a sustainable way to keep music festivals viable A sustainable way to keep music festivals viable is to have one stage in a nice field with good food and drinks, to watch about a dozen party bands. How controversial.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:A sustainable way to keep music festivals viable is to have one stage in a nice field with good food and drinks, to watch about a dozen party bands. How controversial. So you agree they are still viable then What's the issue Go volunteer at your community radio station you can even get involved with some of them! Jezza of OZPOS fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Day on the green still does shows everywhere Bucky what the gently caress are you on about. A couple of festivals got canned but they’re run as businesses and businesses sometimes poo poo the bed. It’s not some catastrophe that requires a 10000000 word medium article to fix
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:So you agree they are still viable then So you agree their ongoing viability is an issue that needs addressing then gay picnic defence posted:Day on the green still does shows everywhere Bucky what the gently caress are you on about. A couple of festivals got canned but they’re run as businesses and businesses sometimes poo poo the bed. It’s not some catastrophe that requires a 10000000 word medium article to fix Day On The Green is a fantastic concept and if it didn't exist I would absolutely write a 10000000 word medium article about it. But they're not in the city so they don't answer this question. Also username post combo, hey-yo
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birdstrike posted:you’re all like 40 or 50 years old, let it go The successful festivals cater to people in their 30s and 40s and 50s. You can still go to things. It's legal.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:So you agree their ongoing viability is an issue that needs addressing then What the gently caress is your problem dude no I don't can you stop misrepresenting literally everything I post dude
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What on earth, I don’t have a problem dude, I thought you wanted to talk about the viability of various different models for live music, apologies if I misunderstood. I have no beef with you but I don’t dig this weird hostility. hambeet posted:Bucky host a festival Yes clearly my social skills are definitely up to the task
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birdstrike posted:you’re all like 40 or 50 years old, let it go no
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birdstrike posted:you’re all like 40 or 50 years old, let it go Music festivals sound like an awful time but a looooot of people older than me love em so..... everyone else here is probably the prime market for them as well as you probably got the money to be able to get plastered on the 10 buck a cup beer
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Good for Electric Gardens. Looks like one stage, with five DJs, in a park in a central location. "plenty" is not a name and it's baffling that when presented with literally four counterexamples you present "yeah but there are definitely others just off-camera that have had issues" and the one actual piece of evidence you present is a barrage of scare-media generically saying "things are bad" from outlets with a vested interest in presenting things as scarily as possible. Can you actually name the many doomed festivals? Also arguably the giga-festival is an abomination that deserves obliterating. (i am not an aussie, i am a bystander with friends in the area who finds this whole conversation baffling)
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Non Compos Mentis posted:bike festival? Bicycle NSW holds one in October with a mass ride from Milsons Pt to Olympic Park, there is MS Gong ride in November and Bobbin Head Classic in March. So three good bike festivals but one more would be great
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hambeet posted:bucky!!! go to the bike festival and hand out copies of your Please dont enourage that, we got enough problems with half assed badly thought out bike infra as it is.
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JBP posted:Festivals are also hosed because the dollar is bad and Z tier international talent is going to other places that pay better. I can't emphasize this enough. I feel like there was a golden age of the Big Day Out where they could cram multiple big international acts into a day long festival and make money. And that golden age was when the Aussie Dollar and US dollar were close to parity, or when the Australian dollar was even above the US dollar. It was a weird time, the mining boom was booming hard, we took holidays to Hawaii because it was relatively affordable. Oh and it also killed off what remained of our manufacturing industry.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Please dont enourage that, we got enough problems with half assed badly thought out bike infra as it is. more like dont encourage bucky to do that he already went to court for political stuff
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Please dont enourage that, we got enough problems with half assed badly thought out bike infra as it is. the cyclists will either dig it or not. democracy! they can vote with their feet! wheels! whatever!
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I can't emphasize this enough. I feel like there was a golden age of the Big Day Out where they could cram multiple big international acts into a day long festival and make money. And that golden age was when the Aussie Dollar and US dollar were close to parity, or when the Australian dollar was even above the US dollar. It was a weird time, the mining boom was booming hard, we took holidays to Hawaii because it was relatively affordable. Oh and it also killed off what remained of our manufacturing industry. Look at where the Aussie dollar was at in the 90s and look at the line up of BDO.
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Budzilla posted:Look at where the Aussie dollar was at in the 90s and look at the line up of BDO. It was the only one, it did six (maybe more?) shows and it toured while bands did loads of side shows. It's probably much harder to justify getting paid for a single weekend festival that's on hours out of town and a few side shows that pay poorly rn.
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Ahhh yes problems getting people to Penrith for the multi day music festivals that have been out there, the running events, the Western Sydney 70.3 and any number of events Penrith Regatta hold every year..... Yeah good luck indee..... oh wait.
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