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Gripweed posted:I'm just worried it will encourage people to do a civil war I don't think it'll do that, but I do think it'll just add to the drama. Also, it's just in bad taste. I think if someone wanted to make a dramatic critique of the situation, it'd be more appropriate to take a dramatic tone rather than action oriented. Something more along the spectrum between The West Wing and House of Cards.
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Yeah but civil strife in our world doesn't look like The West Wing. It looks like people storming the Capital Building, participating in ill-trained militias, stockpiling AR15s, and changing school textbooks to say the Confederacy was meant to defend the rights of southern states, slavery wasn't all that bad, and that there is real doubt if the government is legitimate because the election may have been stolen.
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Annath posted:I don't think it'll do that, but I do think it'll just add to the drama. Also, it's just in bad taste. Remember when the West Wing explained why it would be bad to provide free AIDS medicine to Africa? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnvBLwTjIdY
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The people who would be encouraged to start a Civil War, based on a film they'll likely dismiss as "woke" anyway, already have their own canon of fiction and justifying fictions for their belief. I do agree it feels a little tasteless and it's not a film I'm really in the mood for right now.
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I didn't say The West Wing was perfect, don't be pedantic  And yes, there's lots of crazy poo poo going on IRL, but I don't think glorifying it with shots of attack helicopters performing strafing runs on the White House and Capitol Building are the way to convey that. I think it would be much more appropriate to show the intentional political manipulation that of the masses that *caused* all the violence, with the violence itself being more of a backdrop. As it is, their movie just looks like an exploitative cash grab.
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Apr 1, 2024 14:21
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Thinking to reopen the comic book thread for April fools day but I can't find it
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The reason that it isn’t appealing, from the perspective of a prospective audience, is because America is nowhere near a civil war at the present moment (and this includes our abortive and ill-advised attempt at a putsch,) so it’s truly difficult to predict what that would look like (and never in a million years will it be chud militias rising against a socialist president or whatever.) The intrigue of setting a film in a civil war in specifically America is either projecting it into the far future to give us a lens for examining our present anxieties, or showing us something that we fear could happen tomorrow. By setting the film in a near future, the creators have stacked the deck against themselves a bit in that they either need to clearly demonstrate that this is an alternate universe setting (and why that’s worth doing,) or they need to show us something well-informed and authentic, which isn’t possible here.
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I think there's a decent case to be made that the random politically motivated violence we're all used to and think is fine and normal counts as the early stages of a civil war. I'm just not sure it will really progress past that. A proper civil requires a level of coordination and team work that I don't think Americans can do anymore.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Just submitted Gústi to TIFF. Best of luck to you! I think you have a great shot at it.
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Remember when people were afraid that incels would go on shooting sprees during screenings of Joker
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I still maintain that was a misguided promotional tactic from WB, as there's no way a bunch of film bloggers would have come up with that on their own.
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They absolutely could and did. Joker absolutely broke a ton of people's brains and continues to do so.
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That was the height of blog-brain culture war stuff and it always came off to me like some of them actually wanted it to happen, to validate their existing beliefs about the kind of person who would go see Joker
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That and the "playing the Joker messed Heath Ledger up so bad" story were pushed by WB. I'll bet you 5 bucks.
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One guy got fired from the theater he worked at for putting up a sign saying no unaccompanied men would be allowed to purchase a ticket for Joker.
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Gripweed posted:I think there's a decent case to be made that the random politically motivated violence we're all used to and think is fine and normal counts as the early stages of a civil war. I think it depends on what we mean by civil war. Do we mean things like people murdering individuals or groups by themselves or in groups for political reasons, militias taking over towns, assassination campaigns, and the formation of organizations whose goal is to topple/replace the government? Or do we mean states and their regular forces/armies they raise battling each other for control of territory? There is something in between. Governors annexing federal property by force. Extrajudicial sentencing of political enemies. Organize violent oppression of certain groups while the police state-wide are told to not interfere. States funding and providing assistance to militias carrying out attacks and assassinations. The genuine threat of states to use armed force against each other (even of they ultimately don't because one side backs down and gives the other what they demand).
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I still maintain that was a misguided promotional tactic from WB I suspect this is part of it, though I think it's also one of those ideas that becomes self-perpetuating because it excited a lot of people's brains. For whatever reason, productions involving the live action Joker always cultivated a very strong edgy energy around the character, perhaps as a ghoulish afterimage of what happened with Heath Ledger on The Dark Knight (though IIRC he actually killed himself partway through production on The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus). You've also got Jared Leto's on set antics, which have the energy of a backfiring PR stunt as much as anything else. Edit: And a lot of what I said was already covered by this fast, fast thread.
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Gripweed posted:One guy got fired from the theater he worked at for putting up a sign saying no unaccompanied men would be allowed to purchase a ticket for Joker. I planned to see Joker with my dad, and he cancelled shortly before due to feeling unwell, so I saw it alone after being at a roller derby session, so I showed up alone, a bit dishevelled and carrying my skate-bag. I was slightly worried about how I appeared! Another factor was that there had, of course, been a shooting at a theatre by someone "dressed as the Joker".
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Open Source Idiom posted:I suspect this is part of it, though I think it's also one of those ideas that becomes self-perpetuating because it excited a lot of people's brains. The Leto thing is what convinced me of all of this, especially since other people on the film said "lol, none of that stuff happened". There's no way that wasn't leaked to play up the reputation of The Problems Clown as a "scottish play" type superstition.
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My favorite part of this is that the joker angle was invented whole-cloth by the sheriff, who really openly wanted to get a moral panic going and basically just lied his rear end off to the press
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Aurora PD is also infamous for their cruel murder of Elijah McClain.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Best of luck to you! I think you have a great shot at it. Yeah for real. I can see it being a huge cult hit that someone for sure will want to pick up for a series. If you add a bit more horror elements (even camp horror) I can easily see it being on shudder
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Chakan posted:If I said I was going to do one movie a week for 5-6 weeks with the loose theme "punks," which movies should I consider? I need an excuse to show some friends Repo Man. Thanks to everyone who gave suggestions! The correct answer was Hackers four times, then Repo Man. Joking, I'm joking! I'll need to really go through the list I've compiled to figure out what I can do.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Pretty sure the point is exactly that, that the consumerists are deluded as to where the power actually lies, which is in general a pretty common theme in a lot of modern ideologies. I think SMG has gotten pretty off base but there's a whole thing that's never been stronger about how people are told they're supposed to purchase their way out of problems, 'vote with your wallet' etc. There’s nothing ‘off base’ about it; if we’re talking about consumerism at all - especially an ostensible satire of consumerism - then we do need to go into the specifics of what it is, where it comes from, why it’s bad, etc. It’s not sufficient to say, like, “the zombies are bad, just like consumerists are bad. Look at how dumb and bad they are, just wandering aimlessly and being immortal [???].” I’m reminded of the Joss Whedon short film where republican politicians are likened to zombies because, like, they’re the r-word I guess. I don’t think Dawn Of The Dead is that kind of garbage political cartoon. This stuff is important because, otherwise, literacy is impeded. You see examples like “the movie It Follows is about AIDS” - because the teens have sex and then a spooky demon torments them. The demon is spooky, like AIDS, right? So the protagonist mitigates the effects of AIDS by going on a road trip and having unhappy casual sex, and then the teens successfully cure the AIDS by performing an improvised ‘cleansing ritual’. But, hold up, that doesn’t resemble how a biological virus works at all - not even metaphorically. The demon behaves a lot more like the effects of psychosexual trauma - the character coping with the symptoms of her trauma to varying degrees of success. (A road trip can help with anxiety. It can’t help with AIDS.) The movie even directly quotes other movies where demons represent such trauma, like Nightmare On Elm St. and Stephen King’s IT - being in a conversation with them. So, going back to consumerism and seatbelt laws: the ideology behind better, safer cars for everyone is that it forecloses better solutions like nationalized public transit that reduces the number of cars on roads overall. (See the fantasy of “self-driving” cars, promoted by some very bad companies.) Right-wing fearmongering over “15 minute cities” is another clear example of consumerist ideology: ‘we must encourage people to buy cars, pickup trucks they don’t actually use, etc. The autonomy of the individual as consumer depends on it!’ This consumerism does obviously overlap with survivalism and “prepping” - which is probably the better avenue to approach Dawn Of The Dead. The fantasy of the privately-owned compound or underground bunker full of canned goods and whatever gear. (‘You need your mad max truck in case public transit shuts down and you’re trapped forever!’) This survivalism might be considered an apocalyptic consumerism, anticipating the looming end of consumer society while failing to escape its logic and conceive of alternatives. To be clear, though: consumerism and survivalism are related, but not the same thing. The protagonists of Dawn Of The Dead are criminals who didn’t buy anything at all. Even the helicopter was stolen from their workplace: “It’s ours. We took it. It’s ours.” Their decision to steal these things may be influenced by the past consumer society, but that consumerism is dead at the start of the film. The protagonists are patently not pushing for companies to produce a wider variety of goods and services for them. They are not encouraging those around them to buy more of those goods and services so that society as a whole is elevated into prosperity. There’s zero indication that they’d even like to restore the consumer society they escaped. They’re squatting in a dead man’s warehouse, now a fancy junkyard. They are not consumerists. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Have you been watching BRASS EYE?
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I’m surprised no one said they went to the mall as a kid to go see movies. Because that’s what I did as a teen.
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I’ve seen one movie at a mall that had a theater in it and it was an early screening of Skyline
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Have you been watching BRASS EYE? I'm somewhat ashamed to say I've only seen the Paedogeddon special.
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It is November of 2001. You are at the mall all hosed up on Mountain Dew Code Red. You pretend to understand the adult mysteries implied by the items for sale at Spencer Gifts. You page through a thick tome of cute dog pictures at Waldenbooks. Then it's time to rush off to the 215 pm showing of Out Cold at the mall's attached movie theater. Gotta get there early to get the good seats!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm somewhat ashamed to say I've only seen the Paedogeddon special. The "squatting in a dead man's shack" line always jumps out to me.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:It is November of 2001. You are at the mall all hosed up on Mountain Dew Code Red. You pretend to understand the adult mysteries implied by the items for sale at Spencer Gifts. You page through a thick tome of cute dog pictures at Waldenbooks. Then it's time to rush off to the 215 pm showing of Out Cold at the mall's attached movie theater. Gotta get there early to get the good seats! Hey man doxxing people isn't cool.
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Speaking of Civil War, Alex Garland apparently announced he's done with any directing in the foreseeable future? Just wants to write apparently.
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I watched Mikey and Nicky a month ago and sent a DM to the Columbo Screenshots Twitter account suggesting they post M&N screenshots on April Fool’s Day and they replied saying they may or may not already have plans to do just that. https://twitter.com/columboscreens/status/1774848242099875968?s=46&t=uiUehxbkNdNcN0PmfZ4Vaw
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Just watched Anatomy of a Fall last night, haven't done courtroom dramas in a while, what should I put on tonight?
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The Rainmaker was pretty good, 12 Angry Men is a classic. Runaway Jury is decent and I think the only film with both Gene Hackman and Dustin Hoffman.
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Sticking with the French courts, Saint Omer?
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Got my 20th birthday tomorrow and I'm surprising my friends with Movie Russian Roulette. Some great movies, some bad/fun movies, two bullets. Gonna spin a wheel and eliminate them one by one. Thoughts on the selection? - Starship Troopers - Matrix Reloaded - Face/Off - Serial Mom - Popstar: Never Stop Never Stopping - Con Air - Vampire's Kiss - Bulworth - Kung Pow - Hackers - MacGruber - They Came Together - Southland Tales - Freddy Got Fingered THE BULLETS: - It's Pat! - Ma
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I feel like The Deer Hunter should be somewhere on there simply out of principle.
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Vargo posted:Just watched Anatomy of a Fall last night, haven't done courtroom dramas in a while, what should I put on tonight? Hello stranger! Someone mentioned Saint Omer. Incredible film. Not in the same league, and I know people here poo poo on Sorkin, but I enjoyed The Trial of the Chicago 7. Paddington 2 has a courtroom scene but I think it’s a stretch to call it a courtroom drama. My Cousin Vinny! Not court per se, but court-adjacent: Intolerable Cruelty
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