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as someone forced to essential work thru pandemic- love hearing lockdown debates from the people not deemed sacrificial for the market!
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Apr 1, 2024 13:37
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Thoguh posted:The only reason smoking bans haven’t been overturned yet is because they’ve existed long enough that the vast majority of people don’t smoke and hate having to be put upon by the smell of smokers. But it’s 100% gonna go away for ages and poo poo sooner than later. Well, that will cost tons of jobs in the industry/farming sector along with taxes gained will be lost, but yet save lives. I'm sure the cost of medical care for the elimination of smokers will be offset by the health care savings years to come.
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Apr 1, 2024 13:38
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C-Bangin' it 
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OH MY BAD posted:as someone forced to essential work thru pandemic- love hearing lockdown debates from the people not deemed sacrificial for the market! it owned that in canada there was a bunch of shops that promised "hero pay" to the essential shelf stockers and then didnt pay it out
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Apr 1, 2024 13:42
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Thoguh posted:The only reason smoking bans haven’t been overturned yet is because they’ve existed long enough that the vast majority of people don’t smoke and hate having to be put upon by the smell of smokers. But it’s 100% gonna go away for ages and poo poo sooner than later. (what's the deal with the style of holding your phone flat in front of your face, parallel to the ground, with the speakerphone on??)
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Apr 1, 2024 13:45
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The Oldest Man posted:more importantly, every dollar of wealth passed on from one generation of laborers to another is an unacceptable buffer against exploitation of that new generation. having savings, inheriting a house means you're a little less desperate to stay employed, a little less desperate to take any deal offered no matter how poo poo. 
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Apr 1, 2024 13:48
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AARD VARKMAN posted:it's good boomers won't have any money to leave their kids because they also get to be treated better while they're old and useless than their parents did jealous?
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Apr 1, 2024 13:49
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My mom is having to deal with end of life care for my 98 year old grandpa and it’s a massive feud with her sisters and brother. Shes been taking care of him for years on her dime but now it’s getting to the point that it’s too much for her abilities in her own older age. The decision was made to put him in an assisted living facility and the siblings are screaming absolutely bloody murder that by doing so is going to eat into their inheritance and that she’s a horrible person for doing so and should be cut out of the will. The poo poo they say is insane. The man wants to die already but it seems nature won’t let him.
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Apr 1, 2024 13:52
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:That’s absolutely coming, and people who don’t want to put up with smoke constantly will be told to stay home if they’re scared of a little bit of smoke (it’s from plants and it’s natural) 100%. What would be the argument against it now? There will never be public or institutional support for a massive public health intervention again.
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Apr 1, 2024 13:54
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blatman posted:it owned that in canada there was a bunch of shops that promised "hero pay" to the essential shelf stockers and then didnt pay it out no one ever clapped when i had to bleed and adjust their stupid hydraulic discs on their dumbass tri bike but instead were confounded when we had shipping delays for the insane item they special ordered
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Apr 1, 2024 13:54
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wouldn't they have to stop insurers drug testing people for nicotine ?
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Apr 1, 2024 14:10
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mawarannahr posted:wouldn't they have to stop insurers drug testing people for nicotine ? Lol
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Apr 1, 2024 14:17
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Xaris posted:it's true for most of human history unless you live in a poo poo-drinking plagued hellhole like england (which lol hasn't changed). iirc pre-colonialization indigenous north americas usually had a median age of teenage/adulthood-threshold survival of around 60 or more, and even instances close to 100, though these stats are always very fuzzy and modal. a lot of modern healthcare is specifically addressing problems arising solely out of contemporary modern society. when Joesph Listor was going around the world showing doctors/surgeons/nurses that washing the old blood off your hands and tools increased the survival rates by an incredible amount England was the most resistant to change
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Apr 1, 2024 14:26
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OH MY BAD posted:no one ever clapped when i had to bleed and adjust their stupid hydraulic discs on their dumbass tri bike but instead were confounded when we had shipping delays for the insane item they special ordered The bike parts shortage is killing me though
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Apr 1, 2024 14:39
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mawarannahr posted:we already have people watching loud videos and having speakerphone conversations on the bus... that's how people on reality tv talk on the phone so the show can mic the call, so that's how people talk on their phones now
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Apr 1, 2024 14:52
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going into the office to pack up computers to send to people so they themselves could Work-From-Home in April 2020 ftw
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Apr 1, 2024 14:55
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the milk machine posted:that's how people on reality tv talk on the phone so the show can mic the call, so that's how people talk on their phones now this is definitely one of the most deranged things I’ve witnessed this stupid loving species do
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Apr 1, 2024 14:55
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gradenko_2000 posted:going into the office to pack up computers to send to people so they themselves could Work-From-Home in April 2020
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Apr 1, 2024 14:59
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Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family?
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Apr 1, 2024 15:01
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SirPablo posted:Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family? it’s not an option for a lot of people helping people die at home is full time job, maybe two full time jobs
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Apr 1, 2024 15:04
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mawarannahr posted:we already have people watching loud videos and having speakerphone conversations on the bus... I think thats from tv shows where phone companies paid to have them use their phones and the actors do that to show off the phone to the camera.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:08
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SirPablo posted:Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family? If that's actually what was happening that would be fine. What's happening is that the state is seeing "It's too expensive to keep these people alive" and rapidly broadening the category to include as many people as possible.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:10
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SirPablo posted:Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family? no the concern is that this rhetoric will be used to pass laws that function to murder homeless people
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Apr 1, 2024 15:11
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SirPablo posted:Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family? Big difference between allowing/supporting and encouraging There's also a very meaningful difference between framing it in terms of self-determination and framing it in terms of removing a burden from loved ones or society Anyone who wants out should have the option to do so comfortably and with dignity but suggesting that it's socially beneficial for people to do so is hosed up.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:13
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Why would the state spens money to murder the homeless when they can easily funnel them into the for profit prison system? Yall aren't very good at capitalist thinking.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:22
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SKULL.GIF posted:If that's actually what was happening that would be fine. What's happening is that the state is seeing "It's too expensive to keep these people alive" and rapidly broadening the category to include as many people as possible. I take it this is what you're saying... post COVID posted:no the concern is that this rhetoric will be used to pass laws that function to murder homeless people I get that, good clarification. But this point... Paradoxish posted:Big difference between allowing/supporting and encouraging It is socially beneficial to let people Die With Dignity. Using that as a way to pressure people to die would be hosed up. Painting the fact that the allocation of your remaining resources would be done in a "positive" way isn't by itself bad, really depends on the motive.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:23
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SirPablo posted:I take it this is what you're saying... strange how anything with "dignity" in the name is hosed up... cf revolution of dignity, colonia dignidad
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Apr 1, 2024 15:25
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Asproigerosis posted:Why would the state spens money to murder the homeless when they can easily funnel them into the for profit prison system? Yall aren't very good at capitalist thinking. why did the nazis constantly expand their extermination programs instead of maintaining steadiness of the supply of slaves to corporate work ghettos?
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Apr 1, 2024 15:29
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MAID makes some sense as most people understandably want to avoid being an Alzheimer's patient in a long term care ward. However the reality as to how it's implemented in the current context with non-existent social support and a lot of incentives to remove "unproductive" people makes it truly awful. It causes more harm than it prevents, as the early Canadian experience demonstrates. To be clear the default option of slowly dying under the level of inadequate long term care provided by the state, if any is even available, is also not acceptable but also clearly inevitable under the current system. It is ridiculous to believe the average worker could ever save enough for the costs involved, but that's exactly the expectation in most places. SirPablo posted:It is socially beneficial to let people Die With Dignity. Using that as a way to pressure people to die would be hosed up. Painting the fact that the allocation of your remaining resources would be done in a "positive" way isn't by itself bad, really depends on the motive. Nocturtle has issued a correction as of 15:35 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Apr 1, 2024 15:32
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SirPablo posted:Am I mis-reading some of you that it would be preferable to have an elderly person wither away the last few (potentially lovely) years of their life and let different parts of the health care industry bleed them dry instead of letting the person peace-out and leave what they have left to their family? I don’t believe the government can be trusted to not just kill the poor or otherwise less desirable under the guise of compassion.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:34
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If I'm like 90 and all I have ahead of me are 5 years of increasingly-dim bed rest yeah I'm gonna opt out. If I'm diagnosed with an expensive-to-treat cancer at age 40 and a state representative walks into the room and asks me "Have you considered medical assistance in dying?" we're gonna have a loving problem.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:36
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Western governments and societies want you to internalize that you are an unimportant piece of equipment and if you breakdown due to stress from the system you should kill yourself.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:36
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This is the wealthiest society to ever exist in human history. We could afford all the “extreme senescence” we could imagine. We just choose not to.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:39
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Edit: added comment belo
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Apr 1, 2024 15:42
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weird, no one i know considers themself wealthy
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Apr 1, 2024 15:43
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nomad2020 posted:I don’t believe the government can be trusted to not just kill the poor or otherwise less desirable under the guise of compassion. You're adding the stipulation of the person being poor/less desirable, not what I was getting at. SKULL.GIF posted:If I'm like 90 and all I have ahead of me are 5 years of increasingly-dim bed rest yeah I'm gonna opt out. Agree Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:This is the wealthiest society to ever exist in human history. We could afford all the “extreme senescence” we could imagine. We just choose not to. Also agree. There is a larger profit in killing people with weapons of war than killing them with subpar health care. I think. For now.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:44
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Only the other day we had a story about the Canadian government putting a woman in her 20s on MAiD because she had autism and ADHD.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:45
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SKULL.GIF posted:Only the other day we had a story about the Canadian government putting a woman in her 20s on MAiD because she had autism and ADHD. The article says she requested MAID, not that she was put on it. It does indicate it is unclear how she obtained it though. Not much to go on there really.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:56
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The point that’s been made multiple times in this thread is that a society like America or Canada will always boil people down into two groups, those who produce excess value for their masters and those who do not. Making life unbearable for people in the latter category and offering MAID is just another form of social murder.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:58
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mawarannahr posted:we already have people watching loud videos and having speakerphone conversations on the bus... I do this because the whole point of speakerphone is so I don't have to cramp my neck or hold it up to my idiot face Holding it in front of my face puts the microphone closest to my mouth (since people complain they can't hear me if I do something else)
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Apr 1, 2024 16:02
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_yyKN30Qyg
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