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I've lived in Minnesota and Wisconsin for the entirety of my 37 years on this planet and neither me nor my parents have ever put on snow tires.
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do you mean like, tires with a snow rating or like, those black metal tires with all yhe crazy spikes
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Douchebag posted:They called my wife and told her the VIN could change if someone happened to walk into the Charlotte location at 1130 tonight and buys it. Say what? They would have to remove the windshield to do this, at least. And isn't the VIN typically etched all over the car? This is a straight up lie. Tesla was supposed to be more chill than dealerships.  e: Here's where the VIN exists: link. So, in addition to needing the factory to print a new plate, it would also require that plate being replaced, and the windshield removed and re-attached. I'm surprised the VIN isn't in more places. cruft fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Apr 1, 2024 14:15
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On tesla chat, most OEM promos are the same - the fine print includes "must take delivery by [DAY X]" in most cases. So that's not really different at all.cruft posted:Say what? They would have to remove the windshield to do this, at least. And isn't the VIN typically etched all over the car? This is a straight up lie. What they mean is that they'll swap the car you put money down on for another identical car, they just say it in a stupid way to try to obfuscate the fact that they're selling "your" car to someone else.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:On tesla chat, most OEM promos are the same - the fine print includes "must take delivery by [DAY X]" in most cases. So that's not really different at all. Yes, it's two weeks, I think. You have to sign three documents that repeat this. Dad wasn't in any danger of bumping against this so I don't recall the exact time, but I do recall reading it three times. I read contracts before I sign them. I hold a piece of paper or pen over the line I'm reading and when the salesperson starts trying to explain to me what I'm signing, I stop reading. Sometimes it takes them a while to understand that they're slowing things down. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:What they mean is that they'll swap the car you put money down on for another identical car, they just say it in a stupid way to try to obfuscate the fact that they're selling "your" car to someone else. This makes more sense than "change the VIN". I'm still angry about it, though.
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Apr 1, 2024 14:21
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All worked out, we go pick it up tomorrow in NC. No price change, they honored the price that was locked in on Sunday and the “COME GET IT TODAY” tactic was stupid. I couldn’t insure it yesterday anyway. No one bought the car that’s sitting in NC LOL. So all good. Looking forward to this too.
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FISHMANPET posted:I've lived in Minnesota and Wisconsin for the entirety of my 37 years on this planet and neither me nor my parents have ever put on snow tires. I live in the mountains of Utah and for 20 years of driving I also never used snow tires. Then I got a job where I had to commute 500 miles round trip up to Idaho once a week during a particularly snowy winter so I decided what the heck, I’ll try out those winter tires everyone’s talking about. The difference is so noticeable that I’ll always use a good winter tire from now on each winter.
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Apr 1, 2024 15:55
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cruft posted:Yes, it's two weeks, I think. You have to sign three documents that repeat this. Dad wasn't in any danger of bumping against this so I don't recall the exact time, but I do recall reading it three times. shockingly, rather than truly revolutionizing the purchase experience, Tesla just gradually coopted a bunch of lovely dealership tactics at its owned stores
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FISHMANPET posted:I've lived in Minnesota and Wisconsin for the entirety of my 37 years on this planet and neither me nor my parents have ever put on snow tires. Yes people continue to make terrible decisions because “that’s just how we’ve been doing it”.
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Apr 1, 2024 16:23
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I think a big part is that we're just a family of non drivers. Maybe back when I was in high school and they were driving to work regularly it might have made sense. Me now I live in the city and if the roads are remotely bad I just don't drive, which is very easy since I take transit to work. My dad lives in the middle of nowhere and just literally doesn't leave the house during the winter. My mom also lives in the city and is retired and just doesn't drive when there's snow on the road. Idk maybe if I had the tools and knowledge to do it myself now I might bother, but as it stands no matter the time of year I'm driving on dry bare pavement.
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Apr 1, 2024 16:37
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I've always purchased snow tires for our vehicles - I live in a New England state. But I've started to question the wisdom of this with how little snow accumulation we've had the last 2-3 years. The good news is that they last quite a while since the winter months keep shrinking and each year they get less and less miles. The bad news is I'm still paying to have them put on and taken off.
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Russian Bear posted:Yes people continue to make terrible decisions because “that’s just how we’ve been doing it”. To sell snow tires to the masses you would probably arrange meetup where people can try snow, all season and summers at closed circuit.
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cruft posted:This makes more sense than "change the VIN". I'm still angry about it, though. I'm still laughing at the thought of Tesla employees climbing all over the car, grinding VINs off and replacing them like a methhead chopshop. Cactus Ghost posted:do you mean like, tires with a snow rating or like, those black metal tires with all yhe crazy spikes What in the world?
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never seen the black metal spike tires or cattle pushers welded to the grill? must not be from jersey
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:I've always purchased snow tires for our vehicles - I live in a New England state. … The bad news is I'm still paying to have them put on and taken off. When I lived in Eastern Oregon, the only tire place in town was Les Schwab, and if you bought a set of snow tires and a set of rims for them, from them, they’d swap them on and off gratis. Takes a bit to amortize that cost, of course, but makes sense if you’re living there long term. Don’t know if they still do it, though - wasn’t super impressed with how expensive things had gotten the last time I was there.
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Ironically living in Nova Scotia where there's a fair bit more snow than Vancouver I feel like we needed winters more in Vancouver. On the west coast the city just didn't have enough plows/equipment to clean up the streets in a timely fashion. In Nova Scotia the plows are out constantly and they keep the roads in pretty good shape except for the few hours after a big storm. When we had a big snowfall in Vancouver it sometimes took 3+ days before a plow would be spared to even do an initial plow of our street.
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Elviscat posted:I'm still laughing at the thought of Tesla employees climbing all over the car, grinding VINs off and replacing them like a methhead chopshop. I think it was worded more like “if you don’t come take ownership RIGHT NOW, we are going to sell it and the VIN will change!” Which still annoyed me because they require proof of insurance which I couldn’t get on Easter Sunday, so it was all idle dealer threats.
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Douchebag posted:idle dealer threats. Yeah, pretty much.
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Blue Moonlight posted:When I lived in Eastern Oregon, the only tire place in town was Les Schwab, and if you bought a set of snow tires and a set of rims for them, from them, they’d swap them on and off gratis. Takes a bit to amortize that cost, of course, but makes sense if you’re living there long term. I had them swap my snow tires a couple years ago and was pretty socked by the cost, stopped going to them after that. I grew up in the Colorado Rockies and now live the PNW, both places you benefit from winter tires or at least snow rated, it really does make a big difference. Had some friends move up from the south and they slide a bit trying to stop during a snow storm so the next week they traded their car for a Outback and I had to explain to them that all cars have 4 wheel brakes and AWD wouldn’t of stopped them any faster, only better tires will do that! raggedphoto fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Squibbles posted:Ironically living in Nova Scotia where there's a fair bit more snow than Vancouver I feel like we needed winters more in Vancouver. On the west coast the city just didn't have enough plows/equipment to clean up the streets in a timely fashion. In Nova Scotia the plows are out constantly and they keep the roads in pretty good shape except for the few hours after a big storm. When we had a big snowfall in Vancouver it sometimes took 3+ days before a plow would be spared to even do an initial plow of our street. How the snow comes down (often with some sleet/rain) and usually has a melt/refreeze cycle on the road makes it a lot more treacherous than just regular packed snow too. Living in Calgary where they just toss some sand on the packed snow roads and it’s fine is a totally different experience than from Vancouver. Also the geography there are a lot of hilly spots that just become absolute no go zones. I have a mental route to get home when it snows that snakes all over the place avoiding the hills because I know the hills will just be jammed up with slid out cars piled into each other.
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Also I was next to a Hummer EV this morning and it was pretty neat. The suspension is really moving about even on the smoothest of roads. Didn’t look any larger or imposing than the average full size truck tbh.
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cruft posted:Say what? They would have to remove the windshield to do this, at least. And isn't the VIN typically etched all over the car? This is a straight up lie. cruft posted:This makes more sense than "change the VIN". I'm still angry about it, though.
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Sorry you're so irritated about me being mad about the OP getting jerked around that you had to post about it. We calculated last night that since we've had the LEAF, we've put a maximum of 5000 miles on it per year. This puts us into "low-mileage car" insurance territory. It got me wondering how many LEAFs are around the same miles per year. I saw a lot of used 7-year-old models for sale with under 60,000 miles. 52,500 would be the cutoff for a low-mileage discount. cruft fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Apr 1, 2024 |
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Tesla’s Q1 production/deliveries ended down ~10% YOY.
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maybe Elon’s antics are finally starting to bear fruit in the company’s balance sheet Either that or it’s the economy/people’s finances, I guess
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trilobite terror posted:maybe Elon’s antics are finally starting to bear fruit in the company’s balance sheet Probably the later plus competition. Most people could care less about Elons antics when making a car purchase. US market seems to be cooling on EVs, Europes economy is in a slump, and Teslas getting outcompeted by the Chinese EVs in China and other parts of Asia pacific.
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Impossibly Perfect Sphere posted:The bad news is I'm still paying to have them put on and taken off. If you can't get steelies that fit your car or don't like the look it's usually pretty easy to find entry-level OEM wheels for cheap that someone swapped out for aftermarket. This also has the benefit of allowing you to run a smaller wheel in the winter for more of that pothole-cushioning sidewall. priznat posted:Also I was next to a Hummer EV this morning and it was pretty neat. The suspension is really moving about even on the smoothest of roads. Didn’t look any larger or imposing than the average full size truck tbh. Definitely neat though, that category of vehicle isn't my thing but they sure seem to have nailed the assignment. There is no doubt that thing is a Hummer and is made to appeal to Hummer people as much as an EV can.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Probably the later plus competition. Most people could care less about Elons antics when making a car purchase. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/would-be-tesla-buyers-snub-company-musks-reputation-dips-2024-04-01/ quote:Overall electric vehicle sales in the U.S. are forecast to increase 15% in the first quarter of this year, according to estimates by researcher Cox Automotive. Tesla sales are projected to increase by 3%.
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GlassEye-Boy posted:Probably the later plus competition. Most people could care less about Elons antics when making a car purchase. I think it's all of the above, most likely. I think that Elons antics are absolutely affecting the sales. Like it or not, if you have a Tesla, you're kind of associated with that guy. It's definitely a blocker.
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Yeah, combination of enshittification of Tesla and the diversity of competitors now available means Tesla's going to be hurting,
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wolrah posted:Interesting, I had the opposite impression, I saw one for the first time the other day coming at me on the other side of the highway and immediately noticed its size. It stood out from traffic the moment it came in to view, well before it was close enough for me to see what it was (which was still pretty far away due to the distinctive design). Yeah it was definitely large but it was probably more of an I was expecting it to be even larger sort of thing. It didn’t seem as obnoxious as I had expected it would be, basically. It is definitely an impressive looking vehicle and surprisingly I didn’t hate it. Looks good in white.
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Low mileage eTransit vans are already in the $30K region. I wonder if I can convince my Dad to trade his pickup? He never takes the canopy off, so there's literally nothing the van wouldn't do better (except drive over 150 miles before stopping). I could convert it to a living room on wheels, and still haul 4' x 8' sheets of plywood.
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Is that what you’re planning on doing? Living in your dad’s van?
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The post/username combo checks out.
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I just viewed the Junk in the Trunk thread so I was visibly confused with where I was for a second
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Bone Crimes posted:I think it's all of the above, most likely. I think that Elons antics are absolutely affecting the sales. Like it or not, if you have a Tesla, you're kind of associated with that guy. It's definitely a blocker. I'd say the main full reason is straight out about buyers not wanting to support Musk and adverse publicity around the Cybershit. Tesla with a non stupid CEO would be doing a lot better even with it's current lineup and I doubt the Cyberturd would have happened. There's still a LOT of space for EV's to grow as a market TBH A Model Y is pretty much the kind of car I'd want - more than quick enough, decent range, can throw a bike in the back without taking the wheels off etc. It's almost wagonesque in the back with the seats down and it would come from Shanghai which actually does screw cars together well...... There is no fuckign way however with the transphobe in charge. I'm not sure he's the worst racist in charge of a car company, or biggest transphobe or neo nazi but holy poo poo it's combined to be one utterly huge awful package that IS way worse than anyone else. The thing here too is Musk also just does not shut up so he never gives it a chance to blow over so it's always in people's faces how much of a piece of poo poo he is And worth repeating, the chuds might fondle his balls now, but they wont buy his products People that buy EV's are more progressive by nature and would be repelled by chud in charge? Who would have thought? (Also far more likely to have buying decisions that stick rather than rage boycotts that go away after a few months, progressives aren't dumb and nowhere near as reactionary as the alt-rights shitheads, they are far more likely to make permanent buying decisions I believe) As a mod note, while posters may have their opinions to buy or not buy - and as above I certainly have my opinion too - this thread stands as a neutral zone where all EV's are accepted and posters are "encouraged" to not question why/why not someone bought the car they did.
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The idea that this is all about Musk is just in your heads. It’s a whole-of-industry slowdown. Maybe Tesla would have declined less without the bad press, sure, but you only need to see every other carmaker’s struggles to gain a sense of perspective on this.
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I’m going to drive a hybrid Prius 1800 miles for viewing the eclipse. It will be a nice taste for options in November when the Polestar lease is up. 39K residual is lol no.
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The pickup today was stupid easy. She signed like 4 forms, got her “keys” and off she went. Instantly loved it, and so happy she didn’t buy something like a Malibu. I’m also very impressed with it, such a fun car to drive. Also saw a Cybertruck…. 
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I keep writing replies to this and deleting them. Feels like musk chat. Suffice to say from a car selling standpoint Elon seems to be on a weird path. From a protect EVs from the worst of the oil company attacks, maybe it makes sense. I dunno. I have yet to meet anybody with a neutral opinion about the guy. And as CI said, his fans don't seem to be buying the cars a lot. Ican't see that being good for the company.
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