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Brain Curry
Feb 15, 2007

People think that I'm lazy
People think that I'm this fool because
I give a fuck about the government
I didn't graduate from high school



Microplastics posted:

I know for sure that I'll never let dementia take hold of me. But the tricky bit is knowing when it's bad enough to warrant offing myself, yet not so bad as to prevent me doing so

I’m going to hook the person woman man camera tv test to an arduino controlled shotgun and take it every day

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RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:
live with you are parents

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Willa Rogers posted:

true, but they're effectively encouraging it & supporting it by their practices.

i wasnt saying the current state of things was good

i was saying it's going to get much worse :hellyeah:

Engorged Pedipalps
Apr 21, 2023

The Oldest Man posted:

i wasnt saying the current state of things was good

i was saying it's going to get much worse :hellyeah:

If you want to imagine the future play cyberpunk 2077 but imagine it without all the cool cyberware

You're gonna have to negotiate with your insurance company every year on rate plans for firmware updates for your liver and if you lose your insurance because you got fired they'll just shut it off

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I wonder why Canada is very interested in the economic savings from MAiD.

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

webcams for christ posted:

if you're somewhere where it's acceptable to carry a conversation at normal volume, it's acceptable to use speaker phone


If you wanna piss off everyone around you, I guess.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


The local news here is getting loving hammered with stories about the California fast food worker wage hike and how it’s going to destroy California. Incredible

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

Nocturtle posted:

Yes, MAID is generating a lot of headlines and gets a lot of attention for obvious reasons but the alternative is really not much better. Dying painfully with inadequate long-term care is also unacceptable but also a very real possibility for any non-rich person in the current system. Even in places with UHC like Canada or the UK the conditions in the kinds of care homes that can be afforded without significant private savings are terrible. The average worker cannot save enough to guarantee good quality end of life care out of savings.

You can imagine the ideal system from a capitalist perspective is one that will drain any savings from an older person then swiftly dumping their care on the state or pushing MAID when they've run out of money. This appears to be largely what we're getting.

something I sort of wonder with end of life care stuff is what countries with better health systems are doing. Cause like in america the conventional knowledge is that unless you're just perfectly healthy after you retire up until the point you die peacefully in your sleep overnight it's a crippling amount of money that none but the richest can afford. So if it does realistically cost a gajillion dollars per month for however many years it takes for you to die getting in home care or spending it at a facility how do nationalized places afford it? It seems like particularly with populations skewing older it could get prohibitively expensive. I understand the whole for profit nature of the american system is inflating costs of everything so I'd assume it's cheaper elsewhere, but at the same time I imagine a lot of the costs of those sorts of facility are staffing so presuming it's professionals making a reasonable wage there's somewhat of a floor that's probably pretty high regardless of meds/equipment being more reasonable.

It sounds like Canada is having this issue due to neoliberal rot, so who are good examples of it?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The local news here is getting loving hammered with stories about the California fast food worker wage hike and how it’s going to destroy California. Incredible

In Seattle same but for the gig worker pay and time off law

They're even astroturfing protests over it https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ack/ar-BB1kIUwG

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The local news here is getting loving hammered with stories about the California fast food worker wage hike and how it’s going to destroy California. Incredible

There was a million thinkpieces on how seattle min wage hikes would destroy the economy and then a couple years later there were very quiet and much less publicized studies showing that it was a net benefit because poor people having more money meant more customers and money circulating faster.

Considering I took a single economics course as part of my general education requirements and was still vaguely aware of keysnian economics and velocity of money I'm surprised all the big brain economic PhDs were so surprised at this result.

PoundSand has issued a correction as of 17:27 on Apr 1, 2024

anonumos
Jul 14, 2005

Fuck it.

Malloc Voidstar posted:

why does texas have so many loving bridges?

Half of them are in that one interchange. You know the one.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Americans demand a non-stop supply of industrially-produced slop and they also demand that those who supply it to them live in poverty

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The local news here is getting loving hammered with stories about the California fast food worker wage hike and how it’s going to destroy California. Incredible

Imagine believing that this was the tipping point and that they haven't been raising prices or indeed wages this whole time up to now.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Americans demand a non-stop supply of industrially-produced slop and they also demand that those who supply it to them live in poverty

And now we're back to "Restaurants exist so the lower classes can have a servant and be above someone in the hierarchy" and I feel that's more and more accurate by the day

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

OH MY BAD posted:

tbf i would feel a great burden lifted if i was told my poverty was a genetic inevitability

Don’t take comfort in excuses. Excuses are weapons against others. You don’t use them on yourself.

mistermojo
Jul 3, 2004

Canada somehow screwing everything up worse than us is very funny. but they are America's Hat and we have to help them

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
I enjoyed both of these shows this morning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rr2p8Nn8Dk
https://m.soundcloud.com/thesocialistprogram/us-capitalists-flock-to-china-as-us-govt-says-stop-china

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

OH MY BAD posted:

tbf i would feel a great burden lifted if i was told my poverty was a genetic inevitability

Given the nature of inheritance and social mobility, technically it is.

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

reminder that they aggressively jail black single mothers for this

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

Thoguh posted:

If you wanna piss off everyone around you, I guess.

it seems no one itt rides the subway north of 125th street

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

PoundSand posted:

something I sort of wonder with end of life care stuff is what countries with better health systems are doing. Cause like in america the conventional knowledge is that unless you're just perfectly healthy after you retire up until the point you die peacefully in your sleep overnight it's a crippling amount of money that none but the richest can afford. So if it does realistically cost a gajillion dollars per month for however many years it takes for you to die getting in home care or spending it at a facility how do nationalized places afford it? It seems like particularly with populations skewing older it could get prohibitively expensive. I understand the whole for profit nature of the american system is inflating costs of everything so I'd assume it's cheaper elsewhere, but at the same time I imagine a lot of the costs of those sorts of facility are staffing so presuming it's professionals making a reasonable wage there's somewhat of a floor that's probably pretty high regardless of meds/equipment being more reasonable.

It sounds like Canada is having this issue due to neoliberal rot, so who are good examples of it?

Not an expert but did do a superficial review of this at some point, as unfortunately the cost of long-term care are increasingly relevant. As far as I can tell there are no good examples in the English speaking western world. It's not like Canada is uniquely terrible among western countries, the state + social support system just as threadbare as any other for the usual reasons. The main innovation in Canada is they formalized a process that frankly informally occurs in many places when for example someone requiring long-term care runs out of money or insurance denies coverage etc. In almost all cases end-of-life and long term care is expected to be paid from private savings, and in only some cases will govts step in to provide the cash for a totally inadequate level of care.

Here were my main observations comparing different English-speaking countries:
-United States: individuals must pay, medicare/medicaid will pay an inadequate amount if someone doesn't have enough income or assets
-Canada: province dependent, individuals generally pay costs but for example in Ontario the "co-payment' costs are capped
-UK: people generally must pay for their care themselves but local councils will cover the costs if someone doesn't have enough assets
-Australia: individuals must pay but the govt will cover the costs if someone doesn't have enough income or assets
-New Zealand: individuals must pay for care but the maximum amount any care home is capped and district health boards cover the outstanding costs. Also support for low income, assets people.

It seems like New Zealand is "best" in that they apparently cap the amount that care homes can charge people. I know nothing about how this works out in practice.

uninterrupted
Jun 20, 2011

Nothus posted:

Here's a nice chaser to the "euthanize the poor" discourse

https://x.com/NewYorker/status/1435073821267177473?s=20

why is she barefoot in a dirty room?

MickeyFinn
May 8, 2007
Biggie Smalls and Junior Mafia some mark ass bitches

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The local news here is getting loving hammered with stories about the California fast food worker wage hike and how it’s going to destroy California. Incredible

You can tell this doesn’t actually matter because I live in California and have no idea what you’re talking about.

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


PA still has a federal minimum wage of $7.25, it’s astroturfing to prevent minimum wage hikes here. If restaurant workers make more money, grandpa’s favorite diner may close!

HAIL eSATA-n
Apr 7, 2007


uninterrupted posted:

why is she barefoot in a dirty room?

didn't click before but now i am

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

PA still has a federal minimum wage of $7.25, it’s astroturfing to prevent minimum wage hikes here. If restaurant workers make more money, grandpa’s favorite diner may close!

https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1774836982750859505?t=o9-LNvY9F_5Q_7H6rahQpw&s=19

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Higher than expected I flatiron has caused the GDP forecasts to go higher.
https://twitter.com/LizAnnSonders/status/1774829312836764142?t=QYHnO0jwjRgpyg8K8ecxaQ&s=19

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

bigger numbers beget bigger numbers. simple

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005

Engorged Pedipalps posted:

And if you just do an amateur job of it they will charge you with crimes and throw you in jail for elderly abuse

Geriatric and end of life care is one of the most insane rackets we have

Watching governors like cuomo & pritzker allowing the for-profit LTC industry write pandemic rules like "no relatives allowed to visit for the next several years" and "no in-person state inspections for the next several years" bc the industry is donor-heavy was one of the most blatant acts of political corruption I've ever seen.

In-person visits from relatives & friends are usually the only way that LTC abuse & neglect are discovered; the state inspections are useless bc they happen rarely & were usually announced ahead of time.

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug
Who shorted $DJT? Congrats.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

OH MY BAD posted:

as someone forced to essential work thru pandemic- love hearing lockdown debates from the people not deemed sacrificial for the market!

That's the best part. Not sure about the first lockdown we had here in central Europe, but at least for every other occurance it was explicitly accepted that you could go to work if your boss wrote you a piece of paper that said you did. Just making it 100% explicit from the get go that the primacy of the bourgeoisie trumps public health. All policy fights were than about whether getting poo poo faced with friends was also more important.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/best-buy-offers-screen-lgbtq-nonprofit-donations-conservative-pressure-rcna145603

Best Buy offered to screen donations from its employee resource groups going to LGBTQ causes following pressure from a conservative think tank that holds shares in the company, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing made public this week.

The SEC filing contains a monthslong email exchange between the National Center for Public Policy Research, which describes itself as a “nonpartisan, free-market conservative think tank,” and Best Buy. The dialogue, which hasn’t been previously reported, shows how the center said it would make “a splash” unless the consumer electronics giant moved in favor of its demands.

In some of the last correspondence in the filing, Best Buy noted that it allows its employee resource groups “some discretion to directly support organizations of their choosing” but added that “any such contributions would be screened to ensure they do not advocate or support the causes or agendas you have identified as concerning.” One of the causes the NCPPR cited was transgender care for minors, which the group falsely described as an attempt to “mutilate the reproductive organs of children.”

When asked for a request for comment regarding the filing, Carly Charlson, a spokesperson for Best Buy, stated in an email: “At Best Buy, we strongly believe in an inclusive work environment with a culture of belonging where everyone feels valued and has the opportunity to thrive. This commitment is evident through our longstanding and continuing support of organizations like HRC, which has recognized us as one of the best places to work for the LGBTQIA+ community for the past 18 years.”

She then sent a followup email adding, “Nothing has changed in the ways we give to LGBTQIA+ organizations.”

In HRC, Charlson was referring to the Human Rights Campaign, the country’s largest LGBTQ-rights group.

“The news of this SEC filing is very concerning, and we are working in partnership with Best Buy to understand more," Eric Bloem, HRC’s vice president of programs and corporate advocacy, said in a statement Friday afternoon. "Any company that uses their Corporate Equality Index distinction as cover while working with fringe groups and bad actors does not reflect true LGBTQ+ allyship in the corporate space."

The communication in the SEC filing began on Dec. 11, when the NCPPR sent Best Buy a shareholder proposal asking the retailer to produce by June — and distribute at Best Buy’s annual shareholder meeting that month — a report for investors analyzing how its partnerships with LGBTQ nonprofits are benefitting the company’s business.

“Best Buy has partnerships with and contributes to organizations and activists that promote the practice of gender transition surgeries on minors and evangelize gender theory to minors. Why are Best Buy shareholders funding the proliferation of an ideology seeking to mutilate the reproductive organs of children before they finish puberty?” the proposal, signed by Ethan Peck, an associate at the NCPPR’s Free Enterprise Institute, states. “This contentious and vast disagreement between radical gender theory activists and the general public has nothing to do with Best Buy selling electronics.”

In an email dated Jan. 17, Peck told Best Buy’s attorneys that his organization “will withdraw its proposal if Best Buy were to end its partnerships with and contributions to” eight different LGBTQ nonprofits and initiatives, which he refers to as “predatory butchers” in his email. These groups include The Trevor Project, an LGBTQ youth suicide prevention and crisis intervention organization; SAGE, which advocates on behalf of LGBTQ elders; and GLAAD, an LGBTQ media advocacy group.

Peck did, however, leave the Human Rights Campaign off this list, stating in his email that “we understand that it’s unrealistic for Best Buy to leave HRC in the near future because of their political clout.”

“We hope you take this off-ramp for the sake of shareholders,” Peck wrote in the Jan. 17 email. “Were Best Buy to agree to such a compromise with us, we will not make a splash about it.”

In a Feb. 5 email, Marina Rizzo, a Best Buy attorney, told Peck that the company had reviewed his organization’s concerns and informed him that the company hadn’t donated in several years to two of the LGBTQ causes mentioned in the Jan. 17 email — the Trevor Project and Our Gay History in 50 States — and has never donated to the other six. She then says the company would screen certain donations the NCPPR may find concerning.

“As discussed during our call, we do allow our individual employee organizations, including our Military ERG, Conservative employee interest group, and our PRIDE group, among many other groups, some discretion to directly support organizations of their choosing,” Rizzo wrote. “That said, any such contributions would be screened to ensure they do not advocate or support the causes or agendas you have identified as concerning. We hope this addresses the concerns.” (In a letter included in the SEC filing, Best Buy notes that its employee resource groups “are provided with their own funding and have the capability to identify sponsorships to receive that funding, subject to internal guidelines and Company oversight.”)

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?

Nothus posted:

Here's a nice chaser to the "euthanize the poor" discourse

https://x.com/NewYorker/status/1435073821267177473?s=20

Legitimately hosed up, in case anyone doesn't feel like actually reading it.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Oil rockets on news of Iranian assassinated by isreal!

MLKQUOTEMACHINE
Oct 22, 2012

Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice-skate uphill

Paradoxish posted:

Legitimately hosed up, in case anyone doesn't feel like actually reading it.

More hosed up part is she's a psychologist, not even a real scientist

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

MLKQUOTEMACHINE posted:

More hosed up part is she's a psychologist, not even a real scientist

makes sense. they have the 2nd worst track record for replicability after behavioral economists

SirPablo
May 1, 2004

Pillbug

Cool, weaponizing employee donations.

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

The NCPPR is more powerful than you believe, and they will control business standards for the next 40 years.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1774852620084969752?t=qIVEwozDmoXIHShh_i2epw&s=19

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

PA still has a federal minimum wage of $7.25, it’s astroturfing to prevent minimum wage hikes here. If restaurant workers make more money, grandpa’s favorite diner may close!

forget minimum wage. have a maximum wage.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

RadiRoot posted:

forget minimum wage. have a maximum wage.

there should be a maximum wage unironically

like in the NBA. There should be max contracts but for your total income. If you're making the max, congratulations, be proud of yourself and buy your mom a mansion or something and stop trying to squeeze more money out of everyone in existence

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