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MikeJF posted:While they did colour shift it to try to match it to the new battleship-blue-grey paintjob in Generations, the reused shot in Generations is actually still closer to the original show-era model paintjob than what we saw on TNG, where they drained almost all the colour out of the hull pass during compositing (to the consternation of Probert). Photo during model build, but with the final paintjob: Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Ehh, there's a flyby in 11001001 which looks even closer than that Generations shot. was trawling through other pics on my computer and ran across the screenshot I had in mind:
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I love the little "Ooooh, poo poo" glance back at the console from Data.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Any strongly empathic species may be able to pilot a mk 2. Not as easily as a Kwellian, mind, but a Betazed for example may be able to There's also the problem that the inhabitants of the mushroom dimension don't like us passing through. The more spore ships they have, the more wacky starfleet incidents are going to having people turning up in mushroom town. Maybe the empaths could communicate with spore people to smooth the way. Or maybe they'll just feel spore guys casting shade all day and slowly go mad.
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That's the same problem as travelling through the regular dimension, to be fair.
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I honestly don't get why they are still trying to make the Kelvin 4 movie; that timeline exists only because the TNG era died and Star Trek is back on TV for now. Also, making a Section 31 movie on the lost era has all the ingredients to make Nemesis the "not the worst one" but not much else.
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Der Kyhe posted:I honestly don't get why they are still trying to make the Kelvin 4 movie; that timeline exists only because the TNG era died and Star Trek is back on TV for now.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't really understand it. It seems like there must be someone at Paramount who is really into it, because otherwise I don't understand all of the energy and money that has been put into trying to get another script done for a 4th movie. The Kelvin movies are summer popcorn flicks that are an accessible on-ramp to the broader Star Trek franchise and therefore a direct path to P+ subs. I think in our little echo chamber, it’s easy to forget that Star Trek consists of hundreds of hours of film that is probably pretty intimidating to someone unfamiliar with the franchise. The Kelvin films are approachable and fun, making it easier for folks to explore more deeply if they enjoyed it. IMO, this is also why, despite the prevailing opinions of the thread, Picard S3 was important for the health of the franchise - it probably brought back a decent number of viewers who had flagged in the years since TNG thanks to the “getting the band back together” premise, which also earned it plenty of mainstream press attention.
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That is actually the part of Picard I do get and agree. Finally committing to a epilogue season of what happened to the TNG family was something that should have been done as a thing from the beginning. It should have leaned to being a Picard-centric sequel to TNG, not something that avoids talking about it. It gets stupider if you read the 50YM book, that part was originally intended as the last ~20 minutes of Nemesis but was nixed by the producers because it would have ultimately doomed it to be the last TNG-era movie.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I don't really understand it. It seems like there must be someone at Paramount who is really into it, because otherwise I don't understand all of the energy and money that has been put into trying to get another script done for a 4th movie.
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Knormal posted:They've got Chris Pine and possibly, depending on how far negotiations got last time, Chris Hemsworth on a contract and they're going to use it. You know what? Give me a Star Trek IV time travel romp with those two navigating absent(dead) father somehow brought over from the other timeline at whatever age he is relative to 2009 and son relationship while also saving... I don't know, whales again? Let those two be charismatic at each other for 90 minutes in a fun setting and I'm good. Just as long as it's not an action movie exploding puke 150 minute headache.
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Beyond was a fine movie but I did always find it an unusual choice that they pulled the trigger so early on Kirk being weary of all these Star Treks and lamenting that he'd gotten to live longer than his father had the chance to, both ideas that would probably have been better put to use in a movie actually about Kirk facing these things and getting to meet his father
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Into Darkness was such a loving waste of time, and remaking THAT SCENE only to retcon it immediately was just a massive "haha, gently caress you" to everyone who remembered the original Wrath of Khan. Even Cumberbatch looked bored, and I think they only explained the whitewashing in graphic novels, the same as they did with the first JJ Trek movie, explaining what happened to Nero and his merry band of Revengers in the interim period. Beyond just felt  , and was a waste of Idris Elba.
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Beyond is the rare film that I think is actually better watched at home because unlike most Star Trek films it actually does feel like a feature length TOS episode and is better watched that way.
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I really like Beyond, but it completely feels like an over-inflated TV episode in a lot of ways. Destroying the Enterprise and stranding the crew on a Mad Max planet doesn't really feel earned in any way the way it does as the Act 2 climax to Search for Spock.
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nine-gear crow posted:I really like Beyond, but it completely feels like an over-inflated TV episode in a lot of ways. Destroying the Enterprise and stranding the crew on a Mad Max planet doesn't really feel earned in any way the way it does as the Act 2 climax to Search for Spock. It has the same issue all the Kelvin films do really - it's relying on you already knowing the characters from seeing TOS so it doesn't need to spend time with them at all
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Taear posted:It has the same issue all the Kelvin films do really - it's relying on you already knowing the characters from seeing TOS so it doesn't need to spend time with them at all Or like in the second one where he reveals that his real name is Khaaaaaannnnn and it clearly expects you to think this is a shocking reveal and doesn't explain why until OG Spock says "oh yeah, he's super dangerous, we had a whole movie about it once".
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Or like in the second one where he reveals that his real name is Khaaaaaannnnn and it clearly expects you to think this is a shocking reveal and doesn't explain why until OG Spock says "oh yeah, he's super dangerous, we had a whole movie about it once". That bit is so funny and studio-brained because if you don't know who Khan is, you're just like "huh?" but if you do know who Khan is, it's just obnoxious
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I saw that movie in Taiwan and when that scene happened the audience was audibly baffled. It just does not work if people aren't familiar with the characters at all outside of the 2009 film.
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They should’ve made him Joachim.
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They could have just made him any random Augment. That would have made more sense than it just being Khan again but he looks nothing like OG Khan.
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Der Kyhe posted:That is actually the part of Picard I do get and agree. Finally committing to a epilogue season of what happened to the TNG family was something that should have been done as a thing from the beginning. It should have leaned to being a Picard-centric sequel to TNG, not something that avoids talking about it. Patrick Stewart's memoir posted:I told Akiva and his team that I would return for Star Trek: Picard, as the series was to be called, if they met the following conditions: Once again, PStew was (one of) the reason(s) why the show was just a squandered concept from the get-go. Stop letting him have such latitude on creative input!
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All three of those were reasonable rules imo
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IIRC, the dune buggy sequence in Nemesis was in large part due to Patrick Stewart really wanting to drive dune buggies.
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Bayham Badger posted:Once again, PStew was (one of) the reason(s) why the show was just a squandered concept from the get-go. Stop letting him have such latitude on creative input! Yeah, PatStew knew that if others from TNG are included he will be again playing the role of "team dad", a diplomat and voice of authority and reason, a characterization of Picard he actually really dislikes. He prefers the fuckin'n'fighting action man much, much more.
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Taear posted:It has the same issue all the Kelvin films do really - it's relying on you already knowing the characters from seeing TOS so it doesn't need to spend time with them at all I would put forward that Beyond goes further than any of the Kelvin films do to actually develop the characters on its own terms.
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Bayham Badger posted:2. Picard would no longer be serving in Starfleet, and he was not to wear any kind of uniform or badges.  I guess flashbacks don't count.
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Jesus I forgot how ill-fitting that uniform was - look at Stewart’s collar
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Kesper North posted:"Borg? Sounds Swedish."
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Jesus I forgot how ill-fitting that uniform was - look at Stewart’s collar And what is happening with those sleeves? They've almost got that weird early aughts bell thing going on.
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Fighting Trousers posted:And what is happening with those sleeves? They've almost got that weird early aughts bell thing going on. it's the 90s
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Alchenar posted:I would put forward that Beyond goes further than any of the Kelvin films do to actually develop the characters on its own terms. It definitely does better.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Jesus I forgot how ill-fitting that uniform was - look at Stewart’s collar Clearly it was designed for his First Contact days when he was inexplicably an absolute beefcake.
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Bayham Badger posted:Once again, PStew was (one of) the reason(s) why the show was just a squandered concept from the get-go. Stop letting him have such latitude on creative input! Eh bullshit, good writers thrive in constraints.
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apatheticman posted:Eh bullshit, good writers thrive in constraints. As someone who does 48hr film festivals. This is true. However bad writers do very much the expected and get drastically worse.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Clearly it was designed for his First Contact days when he was inexplicably an absolute beefcake. wasn't he working out for Deanna's wedding or something
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Oh poo poo I forgot Disco s5 starts tomorrow. Finally something else to argue about!
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Oh poo poo I forgot Disco s5 starts tomorrow. Finally something else to argue about! I had no idea until The View came on today when I was spending time with my mother.
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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Oh poo poo I forgot Disco s5 starts tomorrow. Finally something else to argue about!  oh gently caress
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