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Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

I saw a golem and a gryphon right next to each other and they ignored each other until the gryphon left.

There was also an ogre fighting some slimes but they weren’t doing more than slivers of damage to each other.

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Shout-out to Rinyin for giving me not one, but two beetles!

Taking a break from begging for beetles to set a more ethically sourced pawn quest, just uh camp in Battahl x3 and I will give you 50 Slate-Colored Horns. Because why not.

e: post in the thread if multiple people want to do this quest so I know not to rest at my house for a while

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Apr 2, 2024

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc
Had a weird interaction today with a slime, if you freeze it with cold damage while standing in it, you also freeze. You do stop taking continuous damage though.

Owl Inspector posted:

I saw a golem and a gryphon right next to each other and they ignored each other until the gryphon left.

There was also an ogre fighting some slimes but they weren’t doing more than slivers of damage to each other.

I'm not sure how the circumstances differ, but I had a Gryphon land on and then attack & kill an Ogre I was fighting on the road to Bakbattahl. I'd think the Gryphon was coming after me, but the Ogre had just finished running away a bit and me & my pawns were pretty far from it.

Nancy fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 2, 2024

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Ok, so uhm, this is kind of interesting. This is the message you get if you max out the affection with the crazy fisherman hermit (I just gave him the eternal bond for fun):

johnny park
Sep 15, 2009

The "highest depths"...?

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Does the Volcanic Island setpiece have a failure state?

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I got the Forager scroll for the first time in NG+. I guess I just never stumbled across the random NPC who gives it to you during my first playthrough (which is weird since I think I did all the quests in the slums, so I was there a lot).

Broken Cog posted:

Ok, so uhm, this is kind of interesting. This is the message you get if you max out the affection with the crazy fisherman hermit (I just gave him the eternal bond for fun):


I'm kind of curious how many unique messages you can get like this. Like you can obviously get them from characters like the various quest/vocation NPCs, but what about, say, the violin-playing lady in the inn?

Demiurge4 posted:

Not if I use them! I'm constantly out of ferry stones because I want to go places. The postgame drops them from most enemies but I'm still in my normal NG+.

Are you remembering to use the oxcart? I use that any time I need to go somewhere in the vicinity of Melve or the border camp.

I'm pretty casual with ferrystone use (I'll usually use them to return from various longer expeditions if I'm not near any oxcarts, etc) but still never run short.

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Apr 2, 2024

CharlestonJew
Jul 7, 2011

Illegal Hen

Jack Trades posted:

Does the Volcanic Island setpiece have a failure state?

No. No matter what you do the soldiers there will beat the statue. I assume even if you go around murdering all the soldiers it'll still end the same way.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Ytlaya posted:

I'm kind of curious how many unique messages you can get like this. Like you can obviously get them from characters like the various quest/vocation NPCs, but what about, say, the violin-playing lady in the inn?

I wouldn't be surprised if they gave an unique one to every npc, though those for unimportant characters seem to be pretty generic.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Ytlaya posted:

I got the Forager scroll for the first time in NG+. I guess I just never stumbled across the random NPC who gives it to you during my first playthrough (which is weird since I think I did all the quests in the slums, so I was there a lot).

I'm kind of curious how many unique messages you can get like this. Like you can obviously get them from characters like the various quest/vocation NPCs, but what about, say, the violin-playing lady in the inn?
I missed the forager/logistician tomes my first time around as well, and I think that happens if you keep questing in the slums area (ie the sunbright quest and the saint quest) because their dialogue switches and you can't talk to them / give them gifts anymore. If you rest right after finishing just the gracious hand vault quest then you should be able to talk to them (and gift them if necessary to bump their affection) at which point they give you the tomes. I also think you only get the specialization scrolls just once, if you got them in your previous run you won't get them this time around (which is what happened with the chirurgeon scroll, I didn't get a second copy from the guy). At which point you're stuck just romancing random NPCs I guess.

I think most of the gift messages are probably generic, like I gifted violin girl and the message I got was like "oh I was hoping to see you at your home but you weren't in, were you avoiding me? teehee anyway have a gift" or something weird like that. I assume the quest NPCs, the ones who ask you to escort them around sometimes, have unique letters/dialogue though. Which is a lot of effort for something I'm going to fail to see anyway when they fail to get on the oxcart with me. e: I think someone here posted that people who were doing some datamining saw that a lot of the escort NPCs have extra dialogue if you go the long route, but it might require you to actually "talk" to the NPCs as you go along so it's incredibly easily missable.

Imaginary Friend
Jan 27, 2010

Your Best Friend
Man, I wish they went even further with the exploration part. Travelling around with your dumb pawns in a misty rainstorm, hoping to find a campsite before some dragon or chimaera eats you is peak gaming.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



You like violin girl, too? I randomly decided to make her my Beloved, but as you'd expect she doesn't have much unique dialogue. A bit full of herself honestly

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

CharlestonJew posted:

No. No matter what you do the soldiers there will beat the statue. I assume even if you go around murdering all the soldiers it'll still end the same way.

Any idea if you can stop the statue early by doing good, or if it always stops on the same spot and you're just fighting to get the wakestone shards from it?

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Anyway, someone on reddit did some testing with a friend and they say pawns update even when camping, rather than on inn load. If true it means you can't really easily train "off" vocations for your pawn, and it might explain why I've seen high level pawns with only a couple moves equipped - because they were leveling new vocations.

Phlegmish posted:

You like violin girl, too? I randomly decided to make her my Beloved, but as you'd expect she doesn't have much unique dialogue. A bit full of herself honestly
I'm in NG+ and I'm just giving gifts to random NPCs just to see what happens. I think you're limited to one affinity raising gift a day though which makes it hard to max affinity random NPCs since you need to spend a lot of time making the day roll over. My beloved was apparently the elf dad despite having multiple max affinity people, I think affinity both decays and has to do with recency for that bit. Their quests were the last thing I did before heading into endgame. For best success with a specific beloved I'd probably hand them the eternal bond ring right before heading off for war (and even then I've heard people say that didn't work for them).

There's a stat in the pause menu for number of max affinity NPCs and what I really want is to see some maniac spend a year playing this game and maxing all 600 NPCs or whatever.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Jack Trades posted:

Any idea if you can stop the statue early by doing good, or if it always stops on the same spot and you're just fighting to get the wakestone shards from it?
You definitely can, if you're an archer or magick archer, you can pretty easily stop it before the first camp.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

I saw a video of someone using the Medusa head on it. It works.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Speaking of funny interactions. You can apparently shoot Grigori with the unmaking arrow when he asks you to run or fight, and it just cuts to credits without any cutscene.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug
"Oh gosh, I need to get these medicinal herbs back to melve!"

Okay great, so NOW they will sell poison cures now that you are back and your delivery is over, right?... :argh:

I probably won't get poisoned again on the way back to the big city anyways, but yeesh.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Clocks posted:

Anyway, someone on reddit did some testing with a friend and they say pawns update even when camping, rather than on inn load. If true it means you can't really easily train "off" vocations for your pawn, and it might explain why I've seen high level pawns with only a couple moves equipped - because they were leveling new vocations.

I changed my pawn’s vocation to a new one right after using an inn to try to avoid that, I guess this foils that plan if true.

RubberLuffy
Mar 31, 2011
When I beat it the game said I had 6 max affinity characters, and I only knew Ulrika because I did all her quest stuff, and Sigurd since I helped him out. I think Lennart may have been one?

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Broken Cog posted:

Speaking of funny interactions. You can apparently shoot Grigori with the unmaking arrow when he asks you to run or fight, and it just cuts to credits without any cutscene.
This is true to DD1

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

I'm pretty sure that I'm right next to the end of the game and I made sure to only have one max affinity character just to see if the game fucks me on who my beloved is going to be or not.

Something tells me that it will.

SubponticatePoster
Aug 9, 2004

Every day takes figurin' out all over again how to fuckin' live.
Slippery Tilde

homeless snail posted:

This is true to DD1
Yup, after NG every subsequent playthrough went that way. Now that I think about it, should've tried it on the Seneschal.

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

Broken Cog posted:

Sure, but why?

Also, a lot of these hats look like rear end

fashion

looking like rear end is fashion

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

So I went to a goblin mine, killed some gobos, found a greatsword an was like cool, i'm not a warrior and sold it.

Turns out, I needed that for a quest, but there is no buyback at the store. Did I gently caress myself over or can I find a greatsword somewhere ekse?

Lamare
Mar 7, 2014

BadLlama posted:

So I went to a goblin mine, killed some gobos, found a greatsword an was like cool, i'm not a warrior and sold it.

Turns out, I needed that for a quest, but there is no buyback at the store. Did I gently caress myself over or can I find a greatsword somewhere ekse?

Did you try the Scrap Store in Checkpoint Town?

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Broken Cog posted:

Ok, so uhm, this is kind of interesting. This is the message you get if you max out the affection with the crazy fisherman hermit (I just gave him the eternal bond for fun):


Neat. Maybe it's a reference to the - endgame spoilers - unmoored world state where everything is red and the oceans are drained or it could tie into this guy sailing off being the last thing you see after the credits to the True ending

All the weird and jank elements in DD and how it seldom holds your hand combine to give it a really nice mystique that's comparable to your first time playing a FromSoft game.

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Lamare posted:

Did you try the Scrap Store in Checkpoint Town?

I don't know what that is, so I assume I haven't gotten far enough.

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

BadLlama posted:

So I went to a goblin mine, killed some gobos, found a greatsword an was like cool, i'm not a warrior and sold it.

Turns out, I needed that for a quest, but there is no buyback at the store. Did I gently caress myself over or can I find a greatsword somewhere ekse?

I believe any great sword will do, you don't need that specific great sword. I happened to loot "Black Matter", a two-handed hammer, with that quest open, and it popped up telling me I'd found a suitable weapon. Try going to the checkpoint rest town and buying one there maybe? You should be able to take an oxcart there from Vernworth.

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



I believe any greatsword might work for that quest, but that means you'll have to find and/or buy one somewhere else. efb

BadLlama
Jan 13, 2006

Alright cool, will do, thanks!

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

MeatwadIsGod posted:

Neat. Maybe it's a reference to the - endgame spoilers - unmoored world state where everything is red and the oceans are drained or it could tie into this guy sailing off being the last thing you see after the credits to the True ending

All the weird and jank elements in DD and how it seldom holds your hand combine to give it a really nice mystique that's comparable to your first time playing a FromSoft game.

I figured it could be a reference to when you use the godsbane and fall into the ocean with the dragon. However, for a lot "important" npc's, you can't gift them stuff until they've run out of quests/interactions, so I'm not sure if you can gift this guy stuff until you reach the endgame. Which means you won't see this message until after that.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

The words the guy in Bakbattahl uses at the beginning of that stuff, describes what happened as the sea rising up to meet the sky

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Clocks posted:

I also think you only get the specialization scrolls just once, if you got them in your previous run you won't get them this time around (which is what happened with the chirurgeon scroll, I didn't get a second copy from the guy).

I can confirm this actually isn't the case. I got both the Chirugeon and Logistician tomes in both my original and NG+*.

I did use both of them in my first game, though, so I didn't actually have the tome anymore, but I acquired them in both.

* unless they're counterfeit versions and I didn't notice

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.
I thought once you got the scrolls they showed up in the shops nearby

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Ytlaya posted:

I can confirm this actually isn't the case. I got both the Chirugeon and Logistician tomes in both my original and NG+*.

I did use both of them in my first game, though, so I didn't actually have the tome anymore, but I acquired them in both.

* unless they're counterfeit versions and I didn't notice

I used the chirurgeon scroll in my first playthrough but did not get it as a reward in NG+.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Clocks posted:

I used the chirurgeon scroll in my first playthrough but did not get it as a reward in NG+.

I don't think you get it as a reward; she just suddenly gave it to me after the quest at some point (forget if I talked to her or if she walked up to me).

So try finding her and see if she gives you it again, since I definitely got it again (and Logistician, they're both sitting in my storage).

Clocks
Oct 2, 2007



Ytlaya posted:

I don't think you get it as a reward; she just suddenly gave it to me after the quest at some point (forget if I talked to her or if she walked up to me).

So try finding her and see if she gives you it again, since I definitely got it again (and Logistician, they're both sitting in my storage).

Right, both her and her dad/grandpa/whoever that guy is gave me items (whether as a reward or doing the quest raises affinity -> affinity gift) but neither of those items was a chirurgeon's scroll. Maybe it's randomized if you've got it once, or something.

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

Little girl gave me the chirurgeon scroll immediately after completing her quest on my first playthrough, and same for old dude who likes books and the logistician scroll. Playthrough 2? Did the exact same stuff, have not received any inclination scrolls from anybody.

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Not sure what triggers it, but I don't think it's a "direct" quest reward, since on my first playthrough she gave it to me when I randomly walked into her a while after doing the quest and meeting her grandpa in the city (and getting the discount). My best guess is that she (or the old man with Logistician) has a chance to give it to the player upon being encountered after the quest (which sometimes happens immediately after the quest).

And I definitely got the scrolls in NG+ after getting them in NG, so you 100% can get them twice. My pawn is currently a Logistician (he went Chirudgeon->Logistician in my first playthrough), and I have the second Logistician scroll (along with the second Chirudgeon and first Forager one) sitting in my storage.

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