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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Cerebral Bore posted:

im more interested in what caused texas and california to team up

A mutual interest in getting high off their own farts

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Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
what if it was a high pressure tunnel and we called it the hypoloop instead

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

Yes. Number goes higher. Economy stronger than ever

Oneiros
Jan 12, 2007



three years on the virginias, lmao

australia isn't getting any submarines

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Delta-Wye posted:

what if it was a high pressure tunnel and we called it the hypoloop instead

Make it the hippoloop and you've got a deal

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Weka posted:

Here's the tomahawk factory for comparison

They have a contract for 196 a year, says the voiceover. No updates on how many they deliver.

Also they need to turn over each missile manually using 2 workers to hear if anything on the inside is loose.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Orange Devil posted:

Also they need to turn over each missile manually using 2 workers to hear if anything on the inside is loose.
i bet there is a hilarious story that necessitated this sop

corona familiar
Aug 13, 2021

sullat posted:

Elon Musk hyperloop

hyper

poop

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Picking the missile up and giving it a careful shake to see if anything rattles.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Pistol_Pete posted:

Picking the missile up and giving it a careful shake to see if anything rattles.

"oh that guy over there? we call him 'no screwdriver' pete. wanna know why?" *shakes two million dollar missile like a maraca*

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Clip-On Fedora posted:

Why the gently caress would Arizona not be part of the “Western forces”?

I just assumed that California and Texas were occupied by Australian, Canadian and European "peacekeeping" forces.

The Easy Rider
Sep 21, 2006

Corn Dogs- Deep Fried Proof Of A Loving God

Cerebral Bore posted:

im more interested in what caused texas and california to team up

Based on the name, I'd assume they both backed the other's declaration of secession and formed a military alliance rather than their being a single nation. If we start by taking the conceit of a war between the states as a given, I could plausibly see both, as large states with major economies in their own right, large energy, defense, and finance sectors, and a shared border with anti-US alliances, opting to break away rather than facing the music.

That said, the film sounds like wishful thinking from a liberal filmmaker who thinks that a civil war would happen before the whole machine falls apart. The fantasy is that America will keep being America until the end, the only imaginable threat facing the empire being our turning of our own weapons on ourselves. That the battle lines resemble a electoral map is telling; even at the end of the world, any major upheaval or redrawing of the boundaries of the situation is unimaginable. Everything will continue on as it always has, until a final dramatic act of choosing suicide that apparently came as a spontaneous surprise to its characters.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde
I assume after Texas seceded all the red necks, cops, and military stationed in a bunch of blue states killed their civillian leadership and declared allegience to Texas.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Orange Devil posted:

They have a contract for 196 a year, says the voiceover. No updates on how many they deliver.

Also they need to turn over each missile manually using 2 workers to hear if anything on the inside is loose.

That's old. I think it's closer to 100 at the moment although they say they are going to ramp back up

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

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Warning: do not watch if you are hungry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7xCYj6d6Y

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Cerebral Bore posted:

im more interested in what caused texas and california to team up

It’ll be funny if their deal is work together to overthrow the Feds, then once they win, immediately say goodbye to one another and sit as standalone states doing their own thing.

Blaisedell
May 7, 2008

The Easy Rider posted:

That said, the film sounds like wishful thinking from a liberal filmmaker who thinks that a civil war would happen before the whole machine falls apart. The fantasy is that America will keep being America until the end, the only imaginable threat facing the empire being our turning of our own weapons on ourselves. That the battle lines resemble a electoral map is telling; even at the end of the world, any major upheaval or redrawing of the boundaries of the situation is unimaginable. Everything will continue on as it always has, until a final dramatic act of choosing suicide that apparently came as a spontaneous surprise to its characters.

Yeah— it is easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
So a guy flew a dji over the Japanese carrier.

https://x.com/mrjeffu/status/1774957367211463135?s=20

The Japanese SDF didn't know anything about it, and because it would make them look incompetent they said it was probably deepfaked.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Cerebral Bore posted:

im more interested in what caused texas and california to team up

That makes sense, they're the two states most able to go it alone as their own nations. If there was a situation where being part of the US was no longer desirable, like if the US government tried to do full sanctions on China but all it did was destroy the American economy or something, it would make sense for those to the two states that were like nah gently caress this. They would team up for the fight to secede but then be their own deal in peace time.

This also posits a situation where the federal government has lost a lot of ability to project it's own power inside the US borders, so the gulf coast splitting off into some kind of weird libertarian police state and the north west just being ceded to militias makes sense too

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat
I'm kinda mad that Utah isn't it's own break away state named Deseret.

But yeah lol on the map being drawn on electoral lines rather than geographic or vibes based. Imagine having to defend some gerrymandered stretch of land that resembles the CoD MW2 campaign level design.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

KirbyKhan posted:

I'm kinda mad that Utah isn't it's own break away state named Deseret.

But yeah lol on the map being drawn on electoral lines rather than geographic or vibes based. Imagine having to defend some gerrymandered stretch of land that resembles the CoD MW2 campaign level design.

The map should have a few circular power centers and complete darkness and fogged up badlands in between them.

And I have a hard time believe the coastal northeastern states center around NY want to exert their power so deep into the inland regions. The defensive line is too long.

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Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


Gripweed posted:

That makes sense, they're the two states most able to go it alone as their own nations. If there was a situation where being part of the US was no longer desirable, like if the US government tried to do full sanctions on China but all it did was destroy the American economy or something, it would make sense for those to the two states that were like nah gently caress this. They would team up for the fight to secede but then be their own deal in peace time.

This also posits a situation where the federal government has lost a lot of ability to project it's own power inside the US borders, so the gulf coast splitting off into some kind of weird libertarian police state and the north west just being ceded to militias makes sense too

eh, neither of those states produce steel or even the iron or nickel needed to make steel. most of the steel production is in indiana, all the iron mining is in minnesota/michigan, and the only nickel mine is in michigan on the part connected to wisconsin. coal mining is pretty widespread, but there is none in california.
so basically the only potentially self-sufficient place in the us is a strip from gary, in to the upper peninsula of michigan, lol

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Hatebag posted:

eh, neither of those states produce steel or even the iron or nickel needed to make steel. most of the steel production is in indiana, all the iron mining is in minnesota/michigan, and the only nickel mine is in michigan on the part connected to wisconsin. coal mining is pretty widespread, but there is none in california.
so basically the only potentially self-sufficient place in the us is a strip from gary, in to the upper peninsula of michigan, lol

man can't live on steel alone

stephenthinkpad posted:

And I have a hard time believe the coastal northeastern states center around NY want to exert their power so deep into the inland regions. The defensive line is too long.

If Texas seceded again Oklahoma would become a loyalist stronghold purely out of spite.

Gripweed has issued a correction as of 14:36 on Apr 3, 2024

KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

Hatebag posted:

eh, neither of those states produce steel or even the iron or nickel needed to make steel. most of the steel production is in indiana, all the iron mining is in minnesota/michigan, and the only nickel mine is in michigan on the part connected to wisconsin. coal mining is pretty widespread, but there is none in california.
so basically the only potentially self-sufficient place in the us is a strip from gary, in to the upper peninsula of michigan, lol

Victoria 3 rear end post

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008


KirbyKhan posted:

Victoria 3 rear end post

you can't cut back on nickel! you'll regret this!!

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
It is a popcorn flick that is supposedly designed to tell the audience that "America should stick together" so yeah.

That said, if state national guard units start ignoring federal orders (a big if) then you would have a breakup along state lines, but the frontline would likely be very different and probably look more like a mid-war map of former Yugoslavia.

It is just a good question why most of the south is following orders from Florida besides it being the biggest in the area, and what would get the Pacific Northwest and inland mountain states on the same side.

Also, how "evil" is a third term president if he still won the election and why would it start a Civil War besides liberals fetishizing term limits?

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011



“remember when cspam reporting checked out quarterly reports from relevant companies just for a bit a good while ago and it was the loving lol”

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?

zetamind2000 posted:

even bigger missed opportunity not doing an adaptation of shattered union

still bummed that game basically cannot run on modern systems

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?



Lmao there's a couple folks in a discord server I frequent that are very insistent on the fact that Australia will absolutely be getting their AUKUS subs by the early 2030s, because the US failing to deliver would be a sign that they're an unreliable partner and the United States of America would never even consider taking payment up front for subs that will come late. The idea that the subs will come never is so heretical that it gets moderators called on you.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Crazycryodude posted:

Lmao there's a couple folks in a discord server I frequent that are very insistent on the fact that Australia will absolutely be getting their AUKUS subs by the early 2030s, because the US failing to deliver would be a sign that they're an unreliable partner and the United States of America would never even consider taking payment up front for subs that will come late. The idea that the subs will come never is so heretical that it gets moderators called on you.

I can picture the US and Australia getting into a game of chicken where it's:

-You deliver the nuclear subs first
-You train nuclear sub crews first

And neither will flinch

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

Ardennes posted:

It is just a good question why most of the south is following orders from Florida besides it being the biggest in the area, and what would get the Pacific Northwest and inland mountain states on the same side.

If we assume this is happening in the context of economic and political crises with the federal government losing the ability to project power inside its own borders, it’s easy to image this making sense. The Gulf Coast states respond by devolving huge amounts of power to local police forces and citizens councils made up of the guys who yell at school board meetings, with Florida taking a sort of first-among-equals type role in this new paradigm.

The norwthwest wouldn’t be a single contiguous political entity, but would be a kind of lawless hell zone where militias and CHAZ style anarchist groups are in constant conflict over territory.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The 3 year delay on the Constellation is particularly startling since it is a frigate based on a pre-established design, I know they are having possible balance issues with it but taking that long with a frigate is going to be an issue especially since both classes of LCS are useless.

Further delays on the Enterprise is going to be an issue as I said in another post, there is a hard time limit on Nimitz-class (and other similar types nuclear powered ships) in that eventually their reactors just run out of fuel. The USS Nimitz itself has to be replaced by 2025, and it doesn't really matter if its replacement, the USS John F. Kennedy is combat ready or not. It probably isn't.

If the USS Enterprise slips further, it isn't going to be ready to replace the Eisenhower and so on. Most of the Los Angeles class Submarines don't need reactor replacements but they are just old ships and need to be retired, and delays on the Virginias coming are causing another backup since 6 of them are proposed to be decommissioned in the next 3 years.

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
lol China is going to have more carriers than the USA just by dint of all the American ones aging-out

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

gradenko_2000 posted:

lol China is going to have more carriers than the USA just by dint of all the American ones aging-out

The question becomes also if the Chinese start gearing up both of their shipyards with largest enough dry docks to construct a nuclear type 4 carrier in the near future. Their third carrier is in trials, but there hasn't been any other news.

Lustful Man Hugs
Jul 18, 2010

Hatebag posted:

to some extent the chinese invasion in the late 70s and more recently the chinese expansion in the south china sea
e: plus historical chinese conquest of vietnam going back to like 100 bc

There's some quote to the effect of 'We have fought the Americans for 10 years, the French for 100 years, and the Chinese for 1000.'

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Crazycryodude posted:

Lmao there's a couple folks in a discord server I frequent that are very insistent on the fact that Australia will absolutely be getting their AUKUS subs by the early 2030s, because the US failing to deliver would be a sign that they're an unreliable partner and the United States of America would never even consider taking payment up front for subs that will come late. The idea that the subs will come never is so heretical that it gets moderators called on you.

It's kind of hilarious how much white foreigners trust the United States of America.

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

Pistol_Pete posted:

Picking the missile up and giving it a careful shake to see if anything rattles.

the missile knows when it rattles because it knows when it doesn’t…

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Tankbuster posted:

idk, the union during the civil war did logistical feats that would have been beyond any european power due to the scale of the conflict.

oh yeah, which is why it is interesting to see Sheridan's reaction. He was basically "a good showing from the Germans but nothing spectacular really" -- I think it is exactly for the reason you are talking about. Tbqh, there is some fancier praise for their office corps in the little I read it, very much in the sense of we are talking about here, of that American exaggeration.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Remember this is happening at the exact same time those same German historians are creating a mythologized hoplite that uses complex schemes of manoeuvre and drill because the Prussians are projecting themselves backwards through time.

The development of the scientific approach to the humanities in the 19th century was some wild poo poo. Marxism and the good stuff of sociology and anthropology just causing a complete fuss on the minds of ruling classes which collectively reply "gently caress you I will pay my failchildren to decisively prove that our Nation comes from Achilles and that I must own people outside of Europe! It's for their own good!"

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
The Union had a total higher deployment than the German allies, but they had a higher peak deployment during the war. I could see Sheridan not exactly be amazed beyond just a terrible job by the French.

The French had a similar army to the Germans on paper but half of it was more or less useless militia, and it is why they could bully the French at Gravelotte and then take out its professional core at Metz/Sedan. Sheridan usually had opponents that didn't just toss their entire army away in the name of Elan.

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stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Ardennes posted:

The question becomes also if the Chinese start gearing up both of their shipyards with largest enough dry docks to construct a nuclear type 4 carrier in the near future. Their third carrier is in trials, but there hasn't been any other news.

The next one probably will be bigger and more complicated design than the current one (003) and will take a while to build. If they wanted a ship similar to the 003 they would have announced it already.

https://x.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1765286930013389282?s=20

IMO the future belonged to drone carriers not manned aircraft carriers.

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