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bandaid.friend posted:Recently I've been on a streak of having a decent game, right until the end, when my team mates suddenly decide to throw themselves against a robot base and waste all our reinforcements before trying for extraction. It gets worse when two people have crashed so it's just me and one other player, who's throwing themselves repeatedly into a robot base and an endless swarm of dropships. They don't seem to comprehend the counter ticking down, or they believe extraction's going to go perfectly, somehow. I suspect it might be because a lot of people are used to fighting bugs, where that kind of thing's easier to pull off My friends do this, like after they die so many times trying to take out a base it becomes a point of contention and they have to wipe out the rest of the base no matter how many more lives it takes. I end up doing the equivalent of grabbing them by the collar and slapping them in the face once we get down to single digits reinforcements to say we have to move on which usually works but sometimes they stubbornly stay behind while I just leave and start running to the objective/extraction so I can reinforce them away from the base when they die again, lol.
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I sometimes play with a group formed by a guy from work and for their level and experience they are way more afraid of higher difficulties than they should be and I just don't have the balls to tell them they get bogged down too much in unnecessary fights. That's why the game is harder for them. They're having fun so it's not on me to poo poo up their good times but it's kind of disheartening to hear them treat ever owning super samples the way I would treat ever owning a yacht.
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Did 2 bug missions on Easy solo to get the Stalwart daily prize and it was just a festival of free super credits down there. Extremely profitable little stroll around
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We did a Bots 7 mission last night having previously given up on 7's for a bit because we were doing the benny hill "run around like chickens with our heads cut off while chain reinforcing towards the objective" bit which wasn't much fun. However, last night was very easy. Like some tough spots for sure but it felt nothing like the 7's we did a week ago. Did the update change bot drop rates or did we just get better/lucky?
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I saw one of my IRL buddies online and I jumped on to his ship. He was still a level 8 and had his girlfriend (level 5) on his ship too. They couldn’t figure out how to change the difficulty and had just gotten back from a traumatizing Difficulty 5 bug mission that they promptly failed. They were happy to see me and we launched back into a more chill Bug difficulty 4. I called down a Mech and some Guard Dogs for them and we had a fantastic time. I tried to teach them how to use a Hellbomb but they accidentally Orbital Striked the Research Station, which worked anyway.
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explosivo posted:We did a Bots 7 mission last night having previously given up on 7's for a bit because we were doing the benny hill "run around like chickens with our heads cut off while chain reinforcing towards the objective" bit which wasn't much fun. However, last night was very easy. Like some tough spots for sure but it felt nothing like the 7's we did a week ago. Did the update change bot drop rates or did we just get better/lucky? robots might be overall easier since rockets are no longer one hit kill instant death but the difficulty can just vary to a dramatic degree from mission to mission. i had one session where a random group of pubbies and i streamrolled the map because almost no hulks or tanks spawned, and another session later that day where almost every single bot drop would include at least three or four heavies
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I'm probably biased when I say this because I tend to play mainly solo or duo, and you really need a full squad moreso than in other mission types, but the rebalanced escort scientist defence missions still fundamentally suck and I dunno why developers continue to do escort missions in 2024, or why Arrowhead in particular are so fond of these neverending chaos stream of enemies in such tiny arenas. It's like a crash course in how to remove all the good MGSV tacticool shooter elements from their MGSV tacticool shooter and replace them with a tedious, largely random clusterfuck. Beating the mission brings me no satisfaction because it is always such an irritating, unfun experience all the way through. It also makes me sad that Termicide missions were a flash in the pan because that was a defense mission design that actually made sense to me and had the map scale to allow some breathing room, ebb and flow and tactics. Not everyone likes the same content. I think the new gunships are rad and cool while others seem less than thrilled about them, but does anyone actually enjoy these missions? How are you framing the experience so that it doesn't feel dumb? Or do you lean into the dumb? Also did they break the heavy machine gun somehow? It no longer seems to penetrate hulk face, I dumped a whole mag into one at nearly point blank range with the decals showing on the red eye and it did nothing.
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Lobok posted:I sometimes play with a group formed by a guy from work and for their level and experience they are way more afraid of higher difficulties than they should be and I just don't have the balls to tell them they get bogged down too much in unnecessary fights. That's why the game is harder for them. They're having fun so it's not on me to poo poo up their good times but it's kind of disheartening to hear them treat ever owning super samples the way I would treat ever owning a yacht. Owning super samples makes you a Helldiver 1%er, sorry them's the breaks.
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Given my continued experience of only ever encountering groups who blaze through missions, walking straight by samples and secondary objectives, and never giving cover/support to anyone trying to recover said samples, I expect to never be one of that 1%.
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The defence missions were the weak point of the last game, too
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You're right, it is cool playing with a full group. I am in the discord and I do play with goons from the Elite: Dangerous goon group often but mostly duos and trios because not everyone's online at the same time. I actually enjoy playing solo because I'm weird, so it's self-inflicted. I realise the game isn't making many concessions for solo play and am totally fine with that, I just frickin' hate escort missions and this one in particular.
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Tommy the Newt posted:I'm probably biased when I say this because I tend to play mainly solo or duo, and you really need a full squad moreso than in other mission types, but the rebalanced escort scientist defence missions still fundamentally suck and I dunno why developers continue to do escort missions in 2024, or why Arrowhead in particular are so fond of these neverending chaos stream of enemies in such tiny arenas. At least the scientist missions are over fairly quickly (win or lose). The evac mission on Fire Tornado planet is absolutely heinous because you can end up killing dozens of civilians with absolutely zero counter play. Pubbies also love dropping mortars on civilians. Also really enjoyed when a pubbie parked a mech in the path of the civilians and they no longer understood how to route around it. I walk up to move the mech and - you guessed it - it blows the gently caress up and kills me and all the civilians.
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Now it crashes on join instead of mission completion. Another great patch.
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The escort missions on the bug planets aren't bad. You can actually escort the civilians there, running alongside them and just sweeping away anything that gets too close. The problem is that to fight the bots properly you need to keep them at a distance, break their line of sight, and stay in cover. So of course let's make a mission type where you're being attacked by bots from every side simultaneously, you have to stay in the same spot the whole time, and the arena is tiny. Like it just fundamentally doesn't work. And if you try to think about how it would "canonically" go, well, yes absolutely the helldivers would just get smoked. The bots have mortars and poo poo that you can't do anything about when you're trapped in the extraction zone. If they wanted to make it fair, they should give us more effective anti-aircraft weapons (heavy CIWS gatling gun sentry that can shoot down dropships? Multi-shot stinger missile launcher? Eagle AA missile strike?) to force the bots to drop further out, giving us a chance to pick them off. And like what's going on with these civilians only costing 25 credits when they're killed but somehow it's worth losing 15 helldivers to extract them??
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Durzel posted:Thank God. I played last night and on 3 separate 40 minute missions had a crash on the extraction screen where it tallies up your objectives.. It's soul destroying and just sucks any desire to play out of me. You absolutely get the rewards. I am positive about samples and medals. I had just looked to track my samples and was at zero medals before only one of two missions I did yesterday. I crashed on extract but when I reloaded the game I had 22 medals and all the samples. I cannot 100% safe or share that I got the experience and requisition, because I'm capped on req and who keeps track of exp numbers? But if I had to bet I'm pretty sure I got them too. smellmycheese posted:Did 2 bug missions on Easy solo to get the Stalwart daily prize and it was just a festival of free super credits down there. Extremely profitable little stroll around I did a solo for the daily of warrior bots and came out with only 10 super bucks but 15 medals. It's crazy.
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I don't think it's related to recent patches but for some reason (PS5) my mic doesn't get picked up in-game? I have it set to open comms and I'm hearing other people chatter in games but they can never hear me. PS party or whatever seems to work. Is this possibly related to cross-play?
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Relentlessboredomm posted:the spear does in fact demolish those new flying bot gun ships the problem is the drat spawn point can't be killed by anything other than a hellbomb. if someone finds another way to blow up their spawn points pls let me know Oh really? I haven't played in... 36 hours so I haven't seen the spawn points but I assumed that I could q-cannon them from 200 meters
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Sagebrush posted:And like what's going on with these civilians only costing 25 credits when they're killed but somehow it's worth losing 15 helldivers to extract them?? I mean, when I teamkill a friendly helldiver I don't get penalized anything. Their lives are essentially worthless.
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Orb Crabmelt posted:I mean, when I teamkill a friendly helldiver I don't get penalized anything. Their lives are essentially worthless. their training course is designed to kill 70-80% of them
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Orb Crabmelt posted:I mean, when I teamkill a friendly helldiver I don't get penalized anything. Their lives are essentially worthless. Our. Our lives are essentially worthless! 
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Sagebrush posted:And like what's going on with these civilians only costing 25 credits when they're killed but somehow it's worth losing 15 helldivers to extract them?? They're high-priority citizens and helldivers aren't! Per the contract you signed in training, helldivers must be Citizenship Grade E or higher and shall receive 4.5 citizenship points upon cessation of pulse. There are only so many high-priority citizens, they're a finite resource!
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facialimpediment posted:There are only so many high-priority citizens, they're a finite resource! Someone better tell the Mortar Turret guy.
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HMG really is hot garbo. Took it on a mission where I had free EATs anyway and after using its main magazines it comes with I just didn’t pick it back up. Wildly inaccurate even crouched and very little ammo. Felt like I needed to be on top of a bug hole to hit anything. Maybe it’s designed for recoil reduction armor but no thanks.
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This is embarrassing but I don't know how to drop a pin on the map. It says to move your mouse in map mode but that just moves my 3rd person view around.
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smellmycheese posted:Yall gotta get in the goon discord. Playing with decent people on full comms is just another level. I must be doing something wrong because I joined several goon gaming discords at this point and I can not for the life of me figure out how to play the game with goons. I've played other game with goons no problem, this one, though, you guys are keeping how to actually access the Helldivers section of those discord some kind of secret or something. And supposedly there's a steam group which I haven't been able to join either. If this game wasn't so fun to play with pubbies I'd actually be annoyed at this point, hah. Although my mic has been out of commission for several weeks now and I can't be arsed to fix it, so probably for the best. Edit: Oh hey I can actually see the Helldivers voice channels now, at least, couldn't last time. Is there no text channel for it, though? GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Apr 3, 2024 |
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It should hit like the HMG turret tbh but just have slower ROF.
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Fangz posted:What do you think a Helldiver is worth Well they say somewhere in the game that a single helldiver mission approaches the cost of a super destroyer.
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Arglebargle III posted:This is embarrassing but I don't know how to drop a pin on the map. It says to move your mouse in map mode but that just moves my 3rd person view around. With the map open, hold right click to drag the cursor around, then left click to place the pin.
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Tommy the Newt posted:You're right, it is cool playing with a full group. I am in the discord and I do play with goons from the Elite: Dangerous goon group often but mostly duos and trios because not everyone's online at the same time. I actually enjoy playing solo because I'm weird, so it's self-inflicted. I realise the game isn't making many concessions for solo play and am totally fine with that, I just frickin' hate escort missions and this one in particular. The Marvelous discord (goon operated) runs 1-3 groups pretty much all the time. Also, you've identified a lot of your issues with the game that are pretty central to this game - it would seem that constantly having to swim upstream seems like a miserable experience. You don't have to do that if you don't like it.
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Sagebrush posted:With the map open, hold right click to drag the cursor around, then left click to place the pin. 
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causticBeet posted:Eagle strafing and rockets should engage flying units if they encounter them on their pass I think we'll get an anti air sweep stratagem at some point, which will be great because it will be like World in Conflict and that game ruled Tomcats inbound  
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Sagebrush posted:Well they say somewhere in the game that a single helldiver mission approaches the cost of a super destroyer. That's the strategems that are expensive as gently caress. The meat is cheap.
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Legit Businessman posted:The Marvelous discord (goon operated) runs 1-3 groups pretty much all the time. Again, I'm in that discord, I just run games mostly in other groups or solo. What other issues have I identified that make you say this? I made one whine post about one specific mission type, otherwise I am enjoying the game a ton. I have played 7+ difficulty missions solo and in teams every day since I bought the game and am having a blast. Have you confused me with someone else?
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Tommy the Newt posted:I'm probably biased when I say this because I tend to play mainly solo or duo, and you really need a full squad moreso than in other mission types, but the rebalanced escort scientist defence missions still fundamentally suck and I dunno why developers continue to do escort missions in 2024, or why Arrowhead in particular are so fond of these neverending chaos stream of enemies in such tiny arenas. I don’t explicitly hate them and think there’s some fun to be had with the chaos but both the small defense and eradicate missions are way way less interesting than the 40 minute missions. The larger maps with a bunch of objectives give you way more of a chance to interact with the actual fun parts of the game, which “how well can I cheese or overpower spawning logic” is not one of. The search and destroy blitz missions are a nice change of pace, I wish they had just stuck to those when it came to offering a shorter mission type.
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The eradicate missions would be more fun if they were more like the scene in starship troopers where all the poor sods had to defend the fortified position against massive waves of bugs until the ships came in and picked them up. Right now its just run around in circles (Or cheese a rock) and hope mortars don't kill you.
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Tom Tucker posted:HMG really is hot garbo. Took it on a mission where I had free EATs anyway and after using its main magazines it comes with I just didn’t pick it back up. Wildly inaccurate even crouched and very little ammo. Felt like I needed to be on top of a bug hole to hit anything. Maybe it’s designed for recoil reduction armor but no thanks. Recoil Reduction armor doesn't make it feel much better. It's designed for a Helldiver to setup a stationary position, then fire. But it doesn't have the ammo capacity to justify it. Like maybe if you could have a teammate do a fast assist reload it'd be a different story. But it mostly feels like bad middle ground between the MG and AC, because at least with those you have a 3rd person reticle and a correctly aligned red dot.
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BadLlama posted:The eradicate missions would be more fun if they were more like the scene in starship troopers where all the poor sods had to defend the fortified position against massive waves of bugs until the ships came in and picked them up. Right now its just run around in circles (Or cheese a rock) and hope mortars don't kill you. Yeah, a barrier the bugs have to break through would be cool
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BadLlama posted:The eradicate missions would be more fun if they were more like the scene in starship troopers where all the poor sods had to defend the fortified position against massive waves of bugs until the ships came in and picked them up. If this happens, RIP Starship Troopers: Extermination
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