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Yeah, over in Denmark, mass protests and demonstrations are fairly common (currently for Gaza for example), but the beauty is that they can be applauded for their voice in the conversation and then ignored. America is just being stupid about it. Sounds like even the Nazis were smarter (they did not, in fact, stop holocausting).
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our current homeless holocaust killed the bourgeoisie (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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We have lost the plot so much that an entire political movement called itself The Resistance and then sat on its rear end for four years.
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They resisted by posting tweets and then when turnp lost everything got magically fixed and it was time to go back 2 brunch
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Since the turn away from industrial labour in the 1970's, there's no real reason, materially, for protests to be listened to. What are you going to do? How could you actually hurt them in a meaningful way? Your protests don't impact stock prices and spreadsheets. that's right.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:We have lost the plot so much that an entire political movement called itself The Resistance and then sat on its rear end for four years. credit til its called baby
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BonHair posted:Yeah, over in Denmark, mass protests and demonstrations are fairly common (currently for Gaza for example), but the beauty is that they can be applauded for their voice in the conversation and then ignored. America is just being stupid about it. Sounds like even the Nazis were smarter (they did not, in fact, stop holocausting). They did stop Holocausting the specific group the protests were about. It's why Rosenstrasse is so troubling, because it makes it clear that if people protested on behalf of other victims, they'd have been saved too. In fact, Nazi memos about it openly say they would drop the policy, a core part of their ideology, if they thought the German people didn't approve. Whereas, in America, it's drummed into the technocrats that there is nothing worse than abandoning policy for something as gauche as what the public wants. Their ideology is premised on opposition to popular will, if anything. Which is why the only way for people to actually change things is by confronting them. Actually damaging their material interests until they relent. If there was to be another Occupy, it would have to actually shut down trading, consistently, somehow.
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Didn't California dock workers go on strike for a day at some point during the 2020 uprisings and it was a huge loving deal? Seems like they could do that again now but aren't. But it's good a few Starbucks and a beer brewery unionised just in time for megadrought 2.0 Here people are organising direct actions to block workers getting to the docks to load/unload ships bound for Israel, and they've managed to stop a few for 2-3 days at a time. Last time the police shot them with rubber bullets. The unions aren't doing poo poo, because they're on board with imperialism so long as they get their cheap treats. Bald Stalin has issued a correction as of 21:58 on Apr 3, 2024 |
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We can can write their names incorrectly on their coffee cups. Ha, gottem
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:This came up in the Ukraine thread, but the one time Germans actually protested against the Holocaust, the Rosenstrasse protest, the protestors won, no violence was used against them, and memos show the Nazi party was immediately concerned and responsive to public protest against one of their policies. im telling you, read about what happened with the baader-meinhof people. the nazis ran the german police back then (like literal "ex" card-carrying members of the nazi party), and their investigatory and detention policies were significantly more humane than anything in america. baader was allowed to keep over 900 books in his cell, everybody had easy access to medical care and drugs, they all had record players and radios, etc. at one point, the authorities were considering putting some of the group members on suicide watch, with 24/7 lights on in the cells, and this was deemed too cruel lol standard jail policy in the US was determined to be too cruel by actual nazis in america, they would have locked them in solitary for 2 decades with no human contact, all the lights on, no real clothes or bedding or anything like books, and/or exposed them to relentless sexual violence the US is the most insanely hosed up fascist hellhole, its really something.
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you know what else is super cool about america? how a bunch of chud states turned down free meals for children lol proudly too
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Bet the nazi's wouldnt have turned down free meals for kids smdh
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Consolidated Ed posted:im telling you, read about what happened with the baader-meinhof people. the nazis ran the german police back then (like literal "ex" card-carrying members of the nazi party), and their investigatory and detention policies were significantly more humane than anything in america. baader was allowed to keep over 900 books in his cell, everybody had easy access to medical care and drugs, they all had record players and radios, etc. at one point, the authorities were considering putting some of the group members on suicide watch, with 24/7 lights on in the cells, and this was deemed too cruel lol standard jail policy in the US was determined to be too cruel by actual nazis They didn't subject the RAF to inhumane conditions they just murdered them in their relatively comfortable cells. One of the survivors is now a high-profile neo-nazi
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Remember when all the leaders of the Ferguson BLM protests committed suicide? And how a bunch of leaders of the 2020 George Floyd protests also decided to shoot themselves in their burning car, or lynch themselves? Anyways, you see that new show on Netflix?
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jetz0r posted:Remember when all the leaders of the Ferguson BLM protests committed suicide? yah there was one about an octopus and a bunch of other people who randomly went dead
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jetz0r posted:Remember when all the leaders of the Ferguson BLM protests committed suicide? yeah and i also remember liberals crying for more cops and more money for cops and PLEASE WE LOVE COP DICK AND COP BALLS
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Say what you will about the nazis, at least they didn't try to build a police state!
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Since the turn away from industrial labour in the 1970's, there's no real reason, materially, for protests to be listened to. What are you going to do? How could you actually hurt them in a meaningful way? Your protests don't impact stock prices and spreadsheets. the industrial economy didn’t go away, it just moved away from the places labor won to the places where the state would ensure labor wouldn’t win: the south, Mexico, Asia, etc. The distances then make transportation vulnerable to labor action. at the ports, the ATC sickout a couple years back etc
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Consolidated Ed posted:then youre hopelessly naive and/or european Funny you should bring up Greece, because they have a history of actual main battle tanks being used against protesters, not whatever poo poo armoured cars the army doesn't want anymore.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:If there was to be another Occupy, it would have to actually shut down trading, consistently, somehow. People's Computer Toucher Front
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:In fact, Nazi memos about it openly say they would drop the policy, a core part of their ideology, if they thought the German people didn't approve. Are the primary sources readily accessible? Reading the Wikipedia page makes it sound like the protestors "got away with it" because the Nazis didn't want to create the appearance of disunity and wouldn't be able to keep it secret if they killed them all, rather than because they cared whether people approved of deporting Jews.
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Weka posted:People's Computer Toucher Front Computer Specialists Pedantically Arguing Marxism
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jetz0r posted:Remember when all the leaders of the Ferguson BLM protests committed suicide? I hate reality, op
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To be fair, the only way to actually block finance stuff is disrupting the computers. I guess you could shut down the power to do that, but there's a lot of collateral and guess where all the good backup generators are? It would be hilarious if the whole system was compromised in a way that made it impossible to tell who actually owned what stuff though. It would probably crash everything
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BonHair posted:To be fair, the only way to actually block finance stuff is disrupting the computers. I guess you could shut down the power to do that, but there's a lot of collateral and guess where all the good backup generators are? It would be hilarious if the whole system was compromised in a way that made it impossible to tell who actually owned what stuff though. It would probably crash everything Maybe kill all the bankers and finance guys? Would that do anything?
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Biplane posted:Maybe kill all the bankers and finance guys? Would that do anything? No way to find out
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BonHair posted:Yeah, over in Denmark, mass protests and demonstrations are fairly common (currently for Gaza for example), but the beauty is that they can be applauded for their voice in the conversation and then ignored. "Applauded for their voice in the conversation" is a weird way to say "Accused of and investigated by authorities for antisemitism and terrorist sympathies".
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:They did stop Holocausting the specific group the protests were about. It's why Rosenstrasse is so troubling, because it makes it clear that if people protested on behalf of other victims, they'd have been saved too. In fact, Nazi memos about it openly say they would drop the policy, a core part of their ideology, if they thought the German people didn't approve. lol yeah the nazis would never simply put dissidents in camps also
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Since the turn away from industrial labour in the 1970's, there's no real reason, materially, for protests to be listened to. What are you going to do? How could you actually hurt them in a meaningful way? Your protests don't impact stock prices and spreadsheets. yup
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I think we can all agree that protests only ever worked in the nazi Germany. It's completely pointless to protest in any other country.
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khazar sansculotte posted:Are the primary sources readily accessible? Reading the Wikipedia page makes it sound like the protestors "got away with it" because the Nazis didn't want to create the appearance of disunity and wouldn't be able to keep it secret if they killed them all, rather than because they cared whether people approved of deporting Jews. Resistance of the Heart, Nathan Stoltzfus posted:“When I arrived in Berlin to write the story of the Rosenstrasse Protest in 1985, no one else was working on the
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Consolidated Ed posted:im telling you, read about what happened with the baader-meinhof people. the nazis ran the german police back then (like literal "ex" card-carrying members of the nazi party), and their investigatory and detention policies were significantly more humane than anything in america. baader was allowed to keep over 900 books in his cell, everybody had easy access to medical care and drugs, they all had record players and radios, etc. at one point, the authorities were considering putting some of the group members on suicide watch, with 24/7 lights on in the cells, and this was deemed too cruel lol standard jail policy in the US was determined to be too cruel by actual nazis The first wave RAF ofcourse did somehow manage to abuse all that freedom in prison to coordinate a collective suicide by shooting themselves in the base of the neck at an angle that is physiologically very unlikely...
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Weka posted:Funny you should bring up Greece, because they have a history of actual main battle tanks being used against protesters, not whatever poo poo armoured cars the army doesn't want anymore. I wonder what other countries have done this.
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ArmedZombie posted:I wonder what other countries have done this. Tanks? To squash protests? Nothing comes to mind. But if there was such a country, maybe it had its reasons and was actually right to do that.
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Paladinus posted:Tanks? To squash protests? Nothing comes to mind. But if there was such a country, maybe it had its reasons and was actually right to do that. So you're defending Greece?
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Paladinus posted:Tanks? To squash protests? Nothing comes to mind. But if there was such a country, maybe it had its reasons and was actually right to do that. Check out this post lol
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