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Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Caidin posted:

I was going for Glyndwr since I thought the weird nonelven archery nerd angle was cute but somehow got the Mystic Spearhand meister guy

Dude really sucked at fighting that dragon, all told.

loving Sigurd. Dude bailed on me when we found the oozy drake in southwestern Battahl (just up and disappeared inside the dungeon) and I had to fight it alone. Afterward I get an escort quest from him and he bails on that too - I get to the destination assuming he was following behind and get the quest failure message. Not 3 seconds after failing I see this mfer walking down the road towards me. Dude is shifty and unreliable as hell lol

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Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
Usually my pawn has positive or neutral things to say, this is the first time I've seen her (politely) talk poo poo lol

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Man, I am so incredibly dumb. I ran all the way to Battahl to get some dye for my pawn, and I forgot to buy a metamorph book beforehand, since you can only get those in Vernworth.
Was early enough too that I didn't have a spare portcrystal.

And no, you can't apply dyes at the barber in Vernworth, even if you have unlocked them. The option is greyed out

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I feel like this Masked Correspondence quest is very easy to miss. I only knew about it because I looked it up online. You basically have to randomly decide to go visit Sven (which is itself annoying since you need to equip the soldier outfit to easily get into the palace), and I think the Ornate Box quest is a prerequisite (which seems really buggy since he never showed up in both my playthroughs and in NG+ I had to manually carry him from the palace to the vendor who sold the box).

I did it this time, though. I think I've finally done everything that you can miss if you do the final "act 1" quest. Readvent of Calamity is no longer in my quest log, so I think I need to move on to "act 2" to continue the Ulrika stuff.

Speaking of those missable quests, it's dumb that Brant gets mad at you for letting Wilhelmina kill the guy. It wasn't even technically me who killed him! I just held him while someone else did! I'm guessing there's no way to do that quest that pleases both Wilhelmina and Brant?

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Usually my pawn has positive or neutral things to say, this is the first time I've seen her (politely) talk poo poo lol



I always feel kind of bad for ruining the magick but I'm pretty sure pawns just make poo poo up when they come back

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
Yeah? I've always figured they correlate with their experiences. With the exception of that "the Arisen didn't get poo poo done lol" bit, I've heard dialogue from many pawns that align with comments your pawn can make about other arisens.

"always carried a heavy pack" relates to when pawns tell you they would fain carry your burdens (I always kept them at Very Light, and myself hovering around average to heavy)
"tight purse strings" relates to the pawns constantly commenting on your shopping habits
etc.

Haven't yet had any of them go "lol loser" yet though

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Well, it's possible, but I would consider that to be a best case scenario. I can personally confirm that, at the very least, they make things up when there's not enough to work with otherwise. Someone once hired my pawn just to give them a gift, then immediately sent her back, and when she came back she was all 'I put my skills to good use' or something to that effect, when in reality she hadn't done anything at all.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

I finally got an honest kill against a chimera and doing a warrior plunge attack straight onto the lion's head, standing on it's back and charging a knoll breaker directly in into the goat's face and instantly knocking it down is one of the sickest action movie moves I've ever done in a game

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

No Dignity posted:

I think about half of the boss monsters I've fought at this point have denied themselves to the Brine, first Drake fight I could have actually won and it just decides to die and stop me looting it -_-

I had to reload once when I shot the lesser dragon in Melve with the ballista as it was flying and its corpse landed in the sea

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Phlegmish posted:

Well, it's possible, but I would consider that to be a best case scenario. I can personally confirm that, at the very least, they make things up when there's not enough to work with otherwise. Someone once hired my pawn just to give them a gift, then immediately sent her back, and when she came back she was all 'I put my skills to good use' or something to that effect, when in reality she hadn't done anything at all.

Interesting! That makes sense i guess. One time my pawn came back saying that they hadn't really accomplished or done anything during their brief visit, i wonder why it didn't give you that

Gonna chalk it up to pawn jank

No Dignity posted:

I think about half of the boss monsters I've fought at this point have denied themselves to the Brine, first Drake fight I could have actually won and it just decides to die and stop me looting it -_-

(Griffon flies into the sea of its own accord)

Masterful work, Arisen! I shall have to tell my own master of this strategy!

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Is DD1 worth playing after DD2? I was caught off-guard with how much I've enjoyed this game and figure it might be fun to play its predecessor.

Mr E
Sep 18, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

Is DD1 worth playing after DD2? I was caught off-guard with how much I've enjoyed this game and figure it might be fun to play its predecessor.

DD2 is a lot like DD1 in ways you might not expect tho the first game has more randomly failing quests if you care about that. The world is smaller and I think the DLC area is some of the best stuff Capcom has made.

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy
Absolutely if only for the Bitterblack Isle expansion

Shyrka
Feb 10, 2005

Small Boss likes to spin!

Ytlaya posted:

Is DD1 worth playing after DD2? I was caught off-guard with how much I've enjoyed this game and figure it might be fun to play its predecessor.

It's definitely a lot more of the same, and even if it's 12 years old it still holds up.

You probably won't get your pawn used much just from the shrunken playerbase though.

Sixto Lezcano
Jul 11, 2007



Yeah DD1 is still really good, and the DA/BBI stuff is excellent - which makes it a bummer they didn’t do it for DD2 from the get go. In that sense you might actually find things you like about it more than DD2. The jank is part of the charm and DD1 was more… idk, naive I guess you’d say?

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Ytlaya posted:

Is DD1 worth playing after DD2? I was caught off-guard with how much I've enjoyed this game and figure it might be fun to play its predecessor.

DD1 holds up really well and the Dark Arisen content is better than anything in DD2 (and I say this as someone who really liked DD2), so yeah, absolutely worth giving a go. If you're concerned about completionism, you might want to look up a "100% quests" guide because there are weird gotchas in the game where advancing the story past arbitrary, unmarked points will make certain quests disappear/auto-fail even if they don't really have anything to do with main story progress. There's nothing that will prevent you from getting the true ending or anything though, it's all just side content (albiet some of which does give extra context to the main story), so it's also totally okay to do a completely blind first run and just make peace with the fact that you probably won't find everything.

One key difference to be aware of between DD1 and DD2 is that DD1 is less of an "open world" game than DD2. It is still open world in the sense that you can go anywhere you want at any time, but basically every dungeon area is tied to a quest of some sort and there's not actually any reason to explore around and do them early - often you'll just hit a weird locked door you can't open because you aren't supposed to be there yet. So if your usual approach to open world games is to try to exhaustively fill out every corner of the map before pushing forward with story progression, you might need to recalibrate a bit.

The Cheshire Cat fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Apr 3, 2024

Neeksy
Mar 29, 2007

Hej min vän, hur står det till?

Sloober posted:

in their defense the foot medal is extremely irritating to get, one of DD's greatest trolls

Frigor fucks that one up

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



If you liked DD2, I see no reason not to try the first game. There's a reason people describe the sequel as 'more Dragon's Dogma'. Dark Arisen is actually more intricate than DD2 in some ways, though not always for the better. For example, there were more pawn inclinations, and you could have three of them active at a time, ranked in order of importance. They could also dynamically change based on the orders you gave to your pawn. As a result, after a while the meta players had decided on the optimal combination of inclinations, and would be careful to never give their pawn any orders.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Nice, sounds like I'll enjoy it.

The funny thing is that I always assumed I wouldn't like Dragon's Dogma because I've never gotten into most Souls-like games or really "open" stuff like Breath of the Wild, but something about the game's general "feel" just works really well for me.

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

Ytlaya posted:

decide to go visit Sven (which is itself annoying since you need to equip the soldier outfit to easily get into the palace),[/spoiler]

You don't actually need to do this, fwiw. When I want to get into the castle I just sprint through the front door in normal equipment. The guard tells you that you aren't allowed but won't do anything about it.

Everdraed
Sep 7, 2003

spankety, spankety, spankety

The Cheshire Cat posted:

One other funny pawn behaviour thing is that one time I hired a pawn that kept randomly falling over. It is the only pawn that ever happened to and I have no idea what the deal was. I don't think it was dragonblight since I hadn't even gotten the popup about it yet and I kept them around for a pretty long time, and other than that they were completely normal - no weird out of character dialogue, no clutching at their head, no red eyes or anything, just like, constantly drunk or something.

Jack Trades posted:

I'm pretty sure I had a couple of pawns like that too. They tend to brine themselves.
haha this was almost certainly a mage pawn using their ultimate mage maister skill, celestial paean

it summons a massive holy dome in the air and buffs the hell outta everybody's stamina regen, speed, defense, but as soon as it's done it saps all of the mage's stamina and they forcibly face plant


I've kept it on ralsei for like 60+ hours solely because it's thematically appropriate lol

I got very good at picking them up and carrying 'em right as they start to fall, which will generally skip the fall animation though they'll be a lil woozy when set down

The Muffinlord
Mar 3, 2007

newbid stupie?
The guard outfit will help you avoid suspicion if you get into actual trouble, but you can get into a surprising amount of "theme of You Shouldn't Be Here" areas just as is.

Tambaloneus
Feb 5, 2007

I miss my cat someone buy me a kitten.

I don't know what the skill is that warrior has that skewers something to the sword and runs them into some object because I've not trained it yet but holyshit it's loving funny as hell. For some reason the game or pawn AI on the pawn I hired seems to choose "whatever thing is furthest away and makes me run circles around the arisen six times first" as the object she hauls rear end to with whatever on the end of the sword. I swear it's "chase your little sister with a dog poo on the end of a stick" energy sometimes seeing her race toward me with some poor half dead goblin or whatever before nailing a tree in the middle distance. I cannot stop laughing at it. It's never something right near her, ever.

Wiltsghost
Mar 27, 2011


Was not expecting this big dude down in the cave.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

Mordiceius posted:

idk - I don't ever get angry at exploring. For me, the reward for exploring is the act of exploration. Getting a chest at the end is bonus. I don't care what's actually in the chest and 90% of the time I don't actually even pay attention what I'm grabbing from chests. I just like exploring around and opening the chests.

Check out Supraland some time. It's one of the most satisfying games to explore in. You know how games have areas you can get to, but aren't supposed to be able to and the devs have put nothing up there. Sometimes it's there because a big wall is just a huge scaled up rock or something solid and there's walkable space just from being big enough. They stick up invisible walls but sometimes you can glitch through em and explore forbidden nothingness.

Supraland turned all of those areas found in playtest g into actual reward areas, you get this feeling of oh oh bet they never expected me to slip through that little crack and hop up there and do this to get where, I'm such a little stinker heehee, and the. oh poo poo, I just got a little secret area notification they did know I'd try and sneak up in there.

Plus just a solid game all around.

Kefa
Jul 14, 2023

Mordiceius posted:

idk - I don't ever get angry at exploring. For me, the reward for exploring is the act of exploration. Getting a chest at the end is bonus. I don't care what's actually in the chest and 90% of the time I don't actually even pay attention what I'm grabbing from chests. I just like exploring around and opening the chests.

What’s the motivation behind exploring then? I’d get it if the caves all looked different but they’re all the same pretty much.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Vargs posted:

You don't actually need to do this, fwiw. When I want to get into the castle I just sprint through the front door in normal equipment. The guard tells you that you aren't allowed but won't do anything about it.

Ah; I had tried going via various side doors, and they were all locked out of armor. That's good that the main door apparently works.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

Is DD1 worth playing after DD2? I was caught off-guard with how much I've enjoyed this game and figure it might be fun to play its predecessor.
On top of what everyone else said, in my mind having just done a 100% run of DD1 immediately before DD2 came out, the only thing that's like objectively worse about 1 is the combat and even thats maybe arguable for a few classes.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Vargs posted:

You don't actually need to do this, fwiw. When I want to get into the castle I just sprint through the front door in normal equipment. The guard tells you that you aren't allowed but won't do anything about it.
Basically


Wiltsghost posted:

Was not expecting this big dude down in the cave.


Good dog

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

I want to see the Wilhelmina romance scene with a hosed up troll Arisen, or the Danny DeVito one.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Sea Lily posted:

If you kill her early, she just dies and doesn't drop the key to the final chest. Only drops the key if you went through all her riddles and then kill her when she's trying to leave the second time (they don't have to all be solved, just completed).

Speaking of, is there a good spot to save at an inn during all of that? From what I understand a lot of the riddles are time sensitive

The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Nuebot posted:

Speaking of, is there a good spot to save at an inn during all of that? From what I understand a lot of the riddles are time sensitive

Only a few of them are and you'll get a warning about them when she tells you the riddle; the best way to handle it though is to just rest at an inn before asking her about a riddle. You'll want to stick a portcrystal where she is anyway since a lot of the riddles involve going somewhere so you'll end up needing to go back and forth to her a lot.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
Any real tricks for handling the Big Dogs? They're not particularly challenging, but they are annoyingly spry and seemingly have a mountain of HP. Reminds me of zombies, but zombos at least eat poo poo from holy damage.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

toasterwarrior posted:

Any real tricks for handling the Big Dogs? They're not particularly challenging, but they are annoyingly spry and seemingly have a mountain of HP. Reminds me of zombies, but zombos at least eat poo poo from holy damage.

2-3 fully charged saggittates to the head usually does it, or spamming high seism to keep them off balance + burst damage while your pawns tear them to shreds

E: high seism works surprisingly well for harpies when they start circling within 5-10 m or so off the ground

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Dragonblight spoilers:

Oh, my pawn has got the red eyes again. But she's still into me so it's all good:



I'll try to get it to progress to the point where she blows up Bakbattahl, but it'll go away on its own again, 100%

e: you know what, I'm going to dismiss the one support pawn I have, just to make sure she can't pass it on

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Apr 4, 2024

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
share the love imo. i kept my dragonblighted main all the way to the end, almost certainly spreading it to the other pawn that she hadn't caught it from. I thought this was why the true ending happened the way it did and had to check afterward

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



Why are these archer panties the best gear to wear when fully upgraded. Would be nice to eventually find some pants again.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Son of Thunderbeast posted:

share the love imo. i kept my dragonblighted main all the way to the end, almost certainly spreading it to the other pawn that she hadn't caught it from. I thought this was why the true ending happened the way it did and had to check afterward

No it's not that I don't want other pawns to get infected, I just want to see it progress to its final stage at least once.

The people of Bakbattahl are anti-pawn racists and I will give them a reason to be racist when my pawn blows up their city


The Shame Boy posted:

Why are these archer panties the best gear to wear when fully upgraded. Would be nice to eventually find some pants again.

You will find much better gear eventually, but yes, the Ranger Tights are pretty good for the early game. Don't worry, it'll help with rentals

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Phlegmish posted:

No it's not that I don't want other pawns to get infected, I just want to see it progress to its final stage at least once.

The people of Bakbattahl are anti-pawn racists and I will give them a reason to be racist when my pawn blows up their city



oh it works on The Ring rules? i thought it was like an std where they'd pass it on but still have it. that explains some things!

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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Son of Thunderbeast posted:

oh it works on The Ring rules? i thought it was like an std where they'd pass it on but still have it. that explains some things!

It's the only explanation I have for the fact that it keeps going away on its own, but I'm ready to be disappointed again. I just really, really want my Calm pawn to get super sassy and to blow up this city full of racists

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