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The modern interpretation I like to use for old-school D&D is "Target 20": d20 + attack bonus + the target's AC = result if the result is 20 or more, it's a hit it maintains compatibility with the AD&D-style armor where Plate is AC 2 (which is good) versus Leather Armor being AC 8, while also keeping bonuses positive and penalties negative, and rolling high is good.
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Apr 4, 2024 11:48
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Ok what the gently caress Crash Bandicoot. You have scuba levels where you swim around the bottom of the ocean but somehow instantly die if you touch foot high water in the pyramid level?? What were they thinking???
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Apr 4, 2024 13:00
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Donkey Kong Country 2 rulez
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Apr 4, 2024 13:03
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it’s well know that bandicoots dissolve in fresh water
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Apr 4, 2024 13:34
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Mantis42 posted:Ok what the gently caress Crash Bandicoot. You have scuba levels where you swim around the bottom of the ocean but somehow instantly die if you touch foot high water in the pyramid level?? What were they thinking??? a mummy cursed the pyramid water. learn the lore!
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Apr 4, 2024 13:44
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gradenko_2000 posted:The modern interpretation I like to use for old-school D&D is "Target 20": shouldn't that be a minus? the defense value of a target should be a penalty to the attacker's roll, no?
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Apr 4, 2024 13:58
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double nine posted:shouldn't that be a minus? the defense value of a target should be a penalty to the attacker's roll, no? in old-school D&D, better-quality armor had a lower armor class. As I said, plate armor was AC 2, while leather armor was AC 8 the original way you were supposed to play this was a direct table look-up:  A level 1-2 Fighter, when attacking an opponent with AC 8, needed a 12 or higher to hit the opponent if the opponent had AC 2, then they'd need an 18 or higher: better armor = higher target number = harder to hit ___ THAC0, which was the method used in AD&D 2nd Edition and all the Infinity Engine games (except Icewind Dale 2), was an alternative that tried to eliminate the look-up table: it stands for [To-Hit, AC 0]. At level 1, you had a THAC0 of 20. That means that if the enemy had an AC of 0, you would need a 20 to hit them. But, if your enemy's AC was anything else, then you were supposed to subtract it from the THAC0 if the opponent had an AC of 8, then you take your THAC0 of 20, subtract 8, and you get 12: you need a 12 or higher to hit the opponent if the opponent had an AC of 2, then you take your THAC0 of 20, subtract 2, and you get 18: better armor = smaller reduction in THAC0 = higher target number = harder to hit this was not particularly intuitive if the opponent had an AC of [-2], then the equation becomes [THAC0 20 - (-2)], which simplifies to [THAC0 20 + 2] because the negative of a negative is a positive, and then you get a THAC0 of 22 on the other hand, if you had a +1 magic sword, then you were supposed to subtract one from your THAC0, which also gets confusing because the sword is +1, but you're doing subtraction against the THAC0 ___ the Target20 method I posted about inverts the equation so that everything retains the same sign, and most things are added if your opponent had an AC of 8, then you take your d20 roll, and add 8 to it, and look for a 20: you'd need a roll a 12 or higher to get to 20, after adding 8 if your opponent had an AC of 2, then you take your d20 roll, and add 2 to it, and look for a 20: you'd need a roll of 18 or higher to get to 20, after adding 2: better armor = smaller addend to the equation = higher roll required = harder to hit if the opponent had an AC of [-2], then you subtract from the d20 roll. It continues to be intuitive, because the negative number is still treated as a negative number if you had a +1 magic sword, then you add +1 to the d20 roll. It continues to be intuitive.
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Apr 4, 2024 14:16
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gradenko_2000 posted:in old-school D&D, better-quality armor had a lower armor class. As I said, plate armor was AC 2, while leather armor was AC 8 THAC0 is so convoluted it's amazing anyone ever bothered playing d&d 1 or 2. i bet a lot of people just ignored it and figured out a system that wasn't so stupid
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Apr 4, 2024 14:23
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Hatebag posted:THAC0 is so convoluted it's amazing anyone ever bothered playing d&d 1 or 2. i bet a lot of people just ignored it and figured out a system that wasn't so stupid like, the other great option is to just hand-out the attack roll tables for people to look it up with
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Apr 4, 2024 14:25
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https://twitter.com/ShiinaBR/status/1775863924518232370?s=19
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Apr 4, 2024 14:27
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After spending a while with the Infinite Wealth pause menu up on our TV screen while I was getting a snack, my wife reached the conclusion that Ichiban is a werewolf, and even if the plot twist werewolf reveal has not occurred after one game starring him, it will soon
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Apr 4, 2024 14:29
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Hatebag posted:THAC0 is so convoluted it's amazing anyone ever bothered playing d&d 1 or 2. i bet a lot of people just ignored it and figured out a system that wasn't so stupid Nerds fuckin loved convoluted math tricks. This was a pre-computer era where Gamers claimed to be mentat calculators and if you wanted errata you had to write and mail a letter.
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Apr 4, 2024 14:31
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i guess you effectively still level THAC0 in modern dnd as the attack modifier on your primary ability, but it's just right there on your character sheet. and you roll against enemy armor which is just bigger number = better than. THAC0 crawled so ability scores could run
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Apr 4, 2024 14:48
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this really could go into about half-a-dozen other threads in CSPAM but I guess this is the most germane https://red-autumn.itch.io/social-democracy 
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Apr 4, 2024 14:50
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The idea of armor classes being better when smaller is super counterintuitive IMO, like, the implication is not that you're getting a bonus from really good armor but that you're starting from Perfect Armor and taking a penalty for how far away the armor you're wearing is from that but I haven't played a 2e D&D game since I was like twelve so I don't remember it great
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Apr 4, 2024 14:53
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loquacius posted:The idea of armor classes being better when smaller is super counterintuitive IMO, like, the implication is not that you're getting a bonus from really good armor but that you're starting from Perfect Armor and taking a penalty for how far away the armor you're wearing is from that it's because Gary Gygax derived it from the wargaming tradition: "armor class" is supposed to mean that 1 is "first class armor", as in the best
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Apr 4, 2024 14:58
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loquacius posted:The idea of armor classes being better when smaller is super counterintuitive IMO, like, the implication is not that you're getting a bonus from really good armor but that you're starting from Perfect Armor and taking a penalty for how far away the armor you're wearing is from that if wearing armor gives a higher AC score, which is worse, then I would simply not wear armor, easy
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Apr 4, 2024 15:00
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boy, the more i learn about this gygax fella, the worse he seems
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Apr 4, 2024 15:01
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gradenko_2000 posted:it's because Gary Gygax derived it from the wargaming tradition: "armor class" is supposed to mean that 1 is "first class armor", as in the best All D&D culture runs downstream from the toxic waste Gygax generated in his brain and overflowed onto the published page. He hated Conan The Barbarian being witty, clever, and instilled with effortless leadership. That is why The Barbarian class is the way it is: big strong caveman hit monster hard and get big mad.
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Apr 4, 2024 15:04
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He was an insurance actuary as his dayjob and it shows in all his work.
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Apr 4, 2024 15:05
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The demo for goty is out!! https://x.com/Wario64/status/1775736072955203887?s=20 What's real neat about the demo is that each platform has a different character for the demo. Can't wait to crack open that bad boy tonight.
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Apr 4, 2024 15:05
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https://twitter.com/ettingermentum/status/1775586586542928380?s=46
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Apr 4, 2024 15:09
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Srice posted:The demo for goty is out!! Oh hell yeah, I love inscrutable jrpgs, and SaGa is the most inscrutable out of them all.
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Apr 4, 2024 15:10
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ScootsMcSkirt posted:if wearing armor gives a higher AC score, which is worse, then I would simply not wear armor, easy closer to the truth than you'd think
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Apr 4, 2024 15:13
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KirbyKhan posted:All D&D culture runs downstream from the toxic waste Gygax generated in his brain and overflowed onto the published page. He hated Conan The Barbarian being witty, clever, and instilled with effortless leadership. That is why The Barbarian class is the way it is: big strong caveman hit monster hard and get big mad. And now people hate 5e because it's too unbalanced Ironic
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Apr 4, 2024 15:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:this really could go into about half-a-dozen other threads in CSPAM but I guess this is the most germane i went hardliner trying to be as much of a second kdp as possible but it did nothing! hitler is op!
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Apr 4, 2024 15:13
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Srice posted:The demo for goty is out!! heck yeah. some day I'm gonna do a SaGa series odyssey like I have yakuza
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Apr 4, 2024 15:13
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Is this loss
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Apr 4, 2024 15:17
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Buck Wildman posted:heck yeah. some day I'm gonna do a SaGa series odyssey like I have yakuza Fuckin.... Whoo boy, that is a tall order. Unlimited Saga has like 0 documentation and is made as a boardgame. Best of luck. The SaGa Frontier remake is really good, exactly what I wanted as a fan of the PS1 original
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Apr 4, 2024 15:18
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gradenko_2000 posted:this really could go into about half-a-dozen other threads in CSPAM but I guess this is the most germane ok how do we hamstring the SPD and ensure a KPD victory drew a vote of no confidence and triggered early elections, won with 32% of the vote up from 29% Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 has issued a correction as of 15:25 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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Apr 4, 2024 15:19
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:ok how do we hamstring the SPD and ensure a KPD victory i don't think you can get the kpd to form a coalition with you (probably on account of all the murder) but yeah maybe if you just eat the nazis' lunch and go right/bourgeois you can make yourself into a ramp for the kpd
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Apr 4, 2024 15:23
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Hindenburg won the game but chose the evil path ending by appointing Hitler chancellor
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Apr 4, 2024 15:25
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Hatebag posted:i don't think you can get the kpd to form a coalition with you (probably on account of all the murder) but yeah maybe if you just eat the nazis' lunch and go right/bourgeois you can make yourself into a ramp for the kpd Ended with Civil War. WW2 averted! Good ending!
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Apr 4, 2024 15:53
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i also got a civil war ending, triggered by the kpd getting their president elected with 44% of the vote, about twice as much as the next candidate (runoffs votes were literally unchanged from first round, including not dropping any candidates?). i also only ever got attacked by right-wing militias once (and lost), but didnt care because i constantly hammered support of the kpd and making peace with their militants anyways. the one thing im curious about is how to get your communism up high enough early on to do the "communists dont trust you yet" decisions before the game ends, because i did everything i could to surrender to the communists and they never trusted me up to the point where we were on the same side of the civil war (understandable, but confusing in gameplay terms)
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Apr 4, 2024 16:00
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Mantis42 posted:Ok what the gently caress Crash Bandicoot. You have scuba levels where you swim around the bottom of the ocean but somehow instantly die if you touch foot high water in the pyramid level?? What were they thinking??? do you have scuba gear in the pyramid? no? well then get hosed
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Apr 4, 2024 16:00
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stumblebum posted:i also got a civil war ending, triggered by the kpd getting their president elected with 44% of the vote, about twice as much as the next candidate (runoffs votes were literally unchanged from first round, including not dropping any candidates?). i also only ever got attacked by right-wing militias once (and lost), but didnt care because i constantly hammered support of the kpd and making peace with their militants anyways. the one thing im curious about is how to get your communism up high enough early on to do the "communists dont trust you yet" decisions before the game ends, because i did everything i could to surrender to the communists and they never trusted me up to the point where we were on the same side of the civil war (understandable, but confusing in gameplay terms) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkY88kvkdvU
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Apr 4, 2024 16:05
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Buck Wildman posted:heck yeah. some day I'm gonna do a SaGa series odyssey like I have yakuza A perilous journey, but a very rewarding one. Good luck, gamer.
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Apr 4, 2024 16:11
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Mantis42 posted:Ok what the gently caress Crash Bandicoot. You have scuba levels where you swim around the bottom of the ocean but somehow instantly die if you touch foot high water in the pyramid level?? What were they thinking??? angry video game nerd acct spotted
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Apr 4, 2024 16:11
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Srice posted:A perilous journey, but a very rewarding one. Good luck, gamer. it's the "some day" that's key
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Apr 4, 2024 16:39
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Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 posted:Ended with Civil War. WW2 averted! Good ending! dang. i got a civil war too, but i lost. guess i shoulda been trying to beat hitler in the streets instead of the ballot box
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Apr 4, 2024 16:41
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