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GilliamYaeger posted:I can't believe you've forgotten about Legerdemain. well duh gregor hid it up his sleeve
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Gredgar is interesting and potentially very strong in a sinking team, but has some awkwardness to him. He's squishy, but has a high range of speed and good clashing, +5 on every skills offense level is very good and means he wins more clashes then you'd expect from just the coin numbers. S1 and S2 are good, decent rolls and generally sinking neutral, plus they're 1 and 2 coins respectively, which sinking teams will love for setting up high sinking counts. His S3 is very awkward though. It's 4 coins and good rolls, perfect for bursting sinking counts, and spreads some sinking count around if it staggers or kills. But it's got an obnoxious caveat on coin 4 where 50% of the time it'll steal 10 sinking potency from the enemies, which will really gently caress up a sinking stack, and in exchange it gives +damage and +coin, which don't matter because his other skills have low coins and thus low damage. So he's pretty decent for a sinking team, but every once in a while everything you plan will go tits up and it'll all be Gredgar's fault, which honestly, fitting.
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Apr 4, 2024 06:47
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Finished the update. Holy fuckin' kino. I loving KNEW he was Mirror Heathcliff. Wonder who he was wearing? Guess we'll never know considering Heathcliff turned him into red paste. And oh hey, the boss is going to be Distorted Heathcliff!
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Apr 4, 2024 07:23
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Glad to see Project Moon keeping up their tradition of making the midboss I'm referring to the fake Oufi guy a total pain in the tuckus. Anyone who wants tips: Don't clash with the boss if you aren't sure you'll win, because he buffs his allies' SP (and his own). Instead, stagger and take out his allies one at a time, then clash with him and give him the beat down.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Finished the update. I have seen some people consider the past memories of Heathcliff that interrupted Carmen may have interrupted the Distortion process. And considering how Part 3 will be diving into the past of the Sinner in question, Heathcliff may remain undistorted, at least for a while. Still pretty ambiguous and next week needs to come faster.
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Apr 4, 2024 07:36
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Also we got to see a follow-up for Leviathan and Aseah, and it seems like the Ring members that were affiliated with the Window project got booted out of the Ring one way or another.
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The new jumpscare loading screens after finishing the 2nd part are fun.
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StuffyEvil posted:I have seen some people consider the past memories of Heathcliff that interrupted Carmen may have interrupted the Distortion process. And considering how Part 3 will be diving into the past of the Sinner in question, Heathcliff may remain undistorted, at least for a while. Still pretty ambiguous and next week needs to come faster. My guy you literally hear him transform and howl at the end of the scene. He's 100% Distorted.
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RE: Midboss: der shooty burn is good. boss is rough in a fair fight, but ignoring everything to just sucker punch their rear end with the liu crew works too.
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The new form of the Gulae seems to bear some similarities to Distorted Dongrang. I wonder if that's intentional, that 'newer' distortions tend to resemble the Peccatulae. Or it could simply be that his Distortion was unstable to begin with.
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Numbus26 posted:The new form of the Gulae seems to bear some similarities to Distorted Dongrang. I wonder if that's intentional, that 'newer' distortions tend to resemble the Peccatulae. Or it could simply be that his Distortion was unstable to begin with. I mean, Kromer already resembled a huge Lust Peccatulum, so...
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Got through Distorted Hindley and the Rabbit Mask Heath, now struggling with Mirror Heath proper. Honestly every time I fail, I spam a few energy thingies, do a couple XP Luxes, raise everyone's level a bit and hope the extra offense level and HP help, and it does to some degree
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That ending, god drat them. A tip for this part: Everyone has sanity and is rolling positive coins, it's the sinking canto.
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Apr 4, 2024 09:22
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Sinking is indeed the answer. Also Suncliff.
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I loved the Dead Rabbits Boss fight. Mostly because of the skill names. "Bat Bash", okay, normal. "Smackdown"… don't I remember that from somewhere? And then "Upheaval", Oh no, it can't be.
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Plus Coin Drop/Attack Power Down is another one that works if you got it. Hell, bet Nailcliff would be great here if they didn't need heads to work.
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Apr 4, 2024 09:37
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For a second there, during Hindley's fight, I thought Catherine's machine was somehow trying to make her a second Carmen, and she showed that flashback to enhance Hindley's Distortion somehow.
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After the last fight, had a thought. For some reason, the butterfly and the first protomirror back in K corp come to mind. Giving a dead thing a kind of life. That, perhaps, someone cared more to look into imposing identities on the dead than just the living. When Catherine speaks at the end... Whose Catherine is it?
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Arcanuse posted:After the last fight, had a thought. For some reason, the butterfly and the first protomirror back in K corp come to mind. Giving a dead thing a kind of life. That, perhaps, someone cared more to look into imposing identities on the dead than just the living. When Catherine speaks at the end... Whose Catherine is it?
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GilliamYaeger posted:Noone's Catherine. That was Carmen. I mean if you get right down to it that just means it's Ayin's Catherine.
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Unless Carmen felt like using Catherines voice, the "Welcome Home Heathcliff" in purple is a different speaker than the red text. Which, given what we've seen in this canto and the event leading up to it; I wouldn't be surprised if Cathy (ours or another) threw a last minute wrench in the usual distortion process. ...or, thinking on it, we've also heard talk of the Masters Voice. That also could be responsible for that line. hm.
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I gotta admit, I thought it was just a climactic way to end the fight when it went into cutscene mode and Heathcliff triggered Bodysack. I noticed the line change, but I thought it was like an Ishmael thing. And then the animation kept going. And the damage number overflowed. Absolute cinema. Also, I feel kinda bad for Hindley. He Distorted and died thinking everybody wants to take his home and everything else from him, and he barely rates a footnote in the story. Dude needed some serious help. Numbus26 fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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Man I don't know how they managed to equal or even upstage Canto V. This has been a treat. This is also the first time we've seen what Carmen says to someone distorting, right? Also man, the realization Bodysack is also metaphorically how Heath views himself was the true Heartbreaking. On the topic of gameplay bosses, I felt besides the final ones they were easy? Ring guys are glass cannons who clash well and can get lots of Attack up, but if you can win a clash they fold to slash, the boss only has like 600 HP. Hindley is hillariously weak, and his Distorsion amounts to "Use Haste and Bind". Now Mirror Heath is indeed a doozy what with "maxes sanity 90% of the time". You do really need Sinking to keep him in check. Also while Sunshower is great for most battles for the love of god, use a tank ID like Pequiff for the final battle. You'll need that when the boss outspeeds everyone and you can't redirect.
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wow the bygone EGO are night and day Bygone Gregor: rear end. Sinking EGO that doesn't want to be used on Sinking teams because it 1) drains count and 2) iirc gloom fragility doesn't work on Sinking damage so it doesn't even contribute to that. Corroded it deals 3 Count but only on one target and Sinking is the one status that actually gets decent Count infliction on IDs anyway. It's also kill-based as if it needed more demerits. Okay SP heal otherwise I guess. Bygone Yi Sang: Spicebush support, free +2 clash power on bosses is fantastic. Potentially inflicts a shitload of potency too and if you're using EGO on something you're not gonna say no to some Bind. Expensive for a Zayin but you get what you pay for. anyway both IDs are good and I am fuckin broke as a result. please PM just a crumb of exp ticket Yinlock fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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GilliamYaeger posted:My guy you literally hear him transform and howl at the end of the scene. He's 100% Distorted. I am swinging for the fences from a meta-perspective where the spotlight Sinner plays an important role for the Part 3 Dungeon, of course, we could be getting a more lucid Distortion like the Blue Reverberation or Heathcliff could just be locked out for his Canto's Dungeon (he ran off and we have to get him), or it could just be partial progression like how Xiao was initially / Ezra was for a moment in Distortion Detective (I now realize that they may show up in Part 3 since Heathcliff Distorted). Honestly you are very likely right cause I got to that point at 2 am so I was a bit out of it. Edit: Now that I think about it, it makes so much more sense now why Limbus Company recruited Moses & her cohorts, considering that they are putting the Sinners through the wringer by having them confront their past, so what happened with Heathcliff would have been almost inevitable. Also wonder if the thing they are doing with the Sinners is something like their own Seed of Light? StuffyEvil fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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StuffyEvil posted:I am swinging for the fences from a meta-perspective where the spotlight Sinner plays an important role for the Part 3 Dungeon, of course, we could be getting a more lucid Distortion like the Blue Reverberation or Heathcliff could just be locked out for his Canto's Dungeon (he ran off and we have to get him), or it could just be partial progression like how Xiao was initially / Ezra was for a moment in Distortion Detective (I now realize that they may show up in Part 3 since Heathcliff Distorted).
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no gently caress you game, I see what you're trying to do, and I refuse to do it. "oh gosh a boss that gains sanity super fast and is human, but Heathcliff needs to clash his aoe and Heathcliff is losing sanity, GOSH I wonder which Heathcliff identity uses negative coins and also applies a status aliment that reduces the enemy's sanity" no gently caress you I'm not leveling Sad Heathcliff.
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Marluxia posted:no gently caress you game, I see what you're trying to do, and I refuse to do it. "oh gosh a boss that gains sanity super fast and is human, but Heathcliff needs to clash his aoe and Heathcliff is losing sanity, GOSH I wonder which Heathcliff identity uses negative coins and also applies a status aliment that reduces the enemy's sanity" no gently caress you I'm not leveling Sad Heathcliff.
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there is. so much fighting. in this part. e: oh lord i was fuckin joking about hey what if the final boss was Canon Heathcliff, bitterness elemental. and then heathcliff distorted, welp Yinlock fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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Mirror Heathcliff was so loving bullshit I ended up just watching the end of the story on Youtube and going to grind. The RNG....... It's even worse because he keeps like, rolling lowhigh on speed, and then my friend who has a Sunshower Heath doesn't have him support, and all my loving Sinners regularly roll tails on every. single. roll. except NClair for some reason. Absolutely fantastic though, what a great story. Second me as shocked they managed to one-up Canto V. It's kind of hilarious how much weaker Hindley's fursona is than both the Oufiring boss before him and Heathcliff 2.0 after. Also I feel like this whole part would be improved by In The Hall Of The Mountain King because holy poo poo that escalated quickly. t3isukone fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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Marluxia posted:no gently caress you game, I see what you're trying to do, and I refuse to do it. "oh gosh a boss that gains sanity super fast and is human, but Heathcliff needs to clash his aoe and Heathcliff is losing sanity, GOSH I wonder which Heathcliff identity uses negative coins and also applies a status aliment that reduces the enemy's sanity" no gently caress you I'm not leveling Sad Heathcliff. it is surreal how hard they're pushing The poo poo King without making him any better e: also the post part loading screens show the staticy flashes Heathcliff had, which includes one of Carmen standing in a crowded path and one of The Bathtub "well since you think so i guess you are human refuse, here's the power to take it out on everyone else" thanks carmen Yinlock fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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t3isukone posted:Mirror Heathcliff was so loving bullshit I ended up just watching the end of the story on Youtube and going to grind. The RNG....... It's even worse because he keeps like, rolling lowhigh on speed, and then my friend who has a Sunshower Heath doesn't have him support, and all my loving Sinners regularly roll tails on every. single. roll. except NClair for some reason. Bind puts a stop to his speed shenanigans which is the biggest threat. Also you can get away with Queecliff, that guy loves getting the poo poo kicked out of him and the boss isn't so strong that you won't be able to get the resources to heal
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GilliamYaeger posted:I am going to do you a huge favor and remind you that supports are a thing! drat, thanks! I did have a friend with uptie4. Still burned a lot of enkephalin because my sinking team was only half leveled, and I'd just picked up Gregor and Faust. In the end I had to make do with a full level 40 sinking party. Sinking dunking that boss's sanity into -45 makes up for the level dispersity.
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Is... Is Heathcliff literally going to turn into Alleyway Watchdog?
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Junpei posted:Is... Is Heathcliff literally going to turn into Alleyway Watchdog? Seems like it is heading that way. Kept trying team mix ups on the final boss. Umbrellas are certainly the way to go. I saw what I was dealing with and immediately brought in Mersault in his Rhino gear. Weirdly, Grippy Faust turned out surprisingly effective. In fact, the whole team only needed one bloodbag the entire fight. KobunFan fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 4, 2024 |
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KobunFan posted:Seems like it is heading that way. Just brought the sinking gang, Spicebush Yi Sang, Dieci Rodion, Boat Ishmael, newly acquired Butler Faust and Edgar Gregor and the deadweight of the team, Hobo HeathcliffActually not completely deadweight
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People keep dunking on Hobocliff, but after Edgregor's Support was made "owned" I'm pretty sure the devs are gonna twist the game until Suncliff is top Meta.
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:People keep dunking on Hobocliff, but after Edgregor's Support was made "owned" I'm pretty sure the devs are gonna twist the game until Suncliff is top Meta. It's not a bad ID when you can get the conditions right, it's just difficult to get those conditions right and he has better ones. And compared to our other negative Sanity ID, HoboCliff is terrible.
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