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Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

reminder that frosted flakes childhood dream was to get a posthumous victoria cross

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BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022
10 year old FF: "If I had been at the siege of Przyml it wouldn't have gone down the way it did"

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005
ff's not-political-enough grandpa

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Delta-Wye posted:

ff's not-political-enough grandpa

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Delta-Wye posted:

ff's not-political-enough grandpa

Megamissen posted:

reminder that frosted flakes childhood dream was to get a posthumous victoria cross

Well maybe if I had a grandfather who was more of a role model...

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022
Yellen faces tough road on China's vast overproduction problem

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U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen arrived in China's southern factory hub of Guangzhou on Thursday with a tough message to Chinese officials: you're producing too much of everything, especially clean energy goods, and the world can't absorb it.

China is unleashing a flood of electric vehicles (EVs), batteries, solar panels, semiconductors and other manufactured goods into global markets, the result of years of massive government subsidies and weak demand at home. Global prices for many goods are tanking, pressuring producers in other countries.

"We see a growing threat of money-losing firms that are going to have to sell off their production somewhere," a senior U.S. Treasury official said of overproduction in key Chinese sectors.

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Yellen will seek to convey her view that the excess production is unhealthy for China and that there is a growing drumbeat of concern about it in the U.S., Europe, Japan, Mexico and other major economies.

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But she said the Biden administration was determined to develop American supply chains in EVs, solar power and other clean energy goods with investment tax credits and would not "rule out other possible ways in which we would protect them".

In March, China's leadership pledged to follow through on President Xi Jinping's new mantra of unleashing "new productive forces" in China by investing in developing technology industries including EVs, new materials, commercial spaceflight and life sciences - areas where many U.S. firms hold advantages.

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The results of China's prior investment binges are staggering.

Including EVs and combustion-engine cars, China by the end of 2022 had the capacity to produce 43 million vehicles annually, but its plant utilisation rate - a measure closely linked to profitability - was just under 55%, according to data from the China Passenger Car Association.

Bill Russo, the Shanghai-based founder and CEO of advisory firm Automobility, estimated that this translates to excess auto production capacity of about 10 million vehicles a year, or roughly two-thirds of North American auto output in 2022.

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The situation in China's solar panel sector may be worse, where overproduction pushed prices down 42% last year to levels 60% below the cost of comparable U.S.-made products. Major Chinese producers are continuing to build factories, backed by provincial and local subsidies.

At the end of 2023, China had the capacity to build 861 gigawatts of solar modules per year, more than double the global total installed capacity of 390 million gigawatts. Another 500-600 gigawatts of annual capacity is forecast to come online this year -- enough to supply all global demand through 2032, according to energy research firm Wood Mackenzie.

planned economy OP, pls nerf.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



from the brain geniuses that brought you "russia is running it's economy too hot" comes "china is outproducing us; we can't compete... and that's bad for them."

i love the subtle and not-subtle word choices for enemy epithets to make good things seem bad. a "flood" of goods. a "binge" of investment in productive capacity

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Well maybe if I had a grandfather who was more of a role model...

k, I'll bite ff, which handlebar mustached pith helmeted mil hist icon do you wish had been you peepaw?

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.


https://twitter.com/dril/status/432616623225049088

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

I wasn't expecting to post another dril tweet in the thread today but that's such loser poo poo

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Voice of Labor posted:

k, I'll bite ff, which handlebar mustached pith helmeted mil hist icon do you wish had been you peepaw?

Mortimer Wheeler

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

gradenko_2000 posted:

Victoria 3 ftw

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

lol the crisis of having too much stuff compared to the beautiful clean asceticism of inadequate capacity jit.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Somebody send loser Yellen to CPC Party school and teach her a few days of Marxist economic clockwork orange style.

Sanlav
Feb 10, 2020

We'll Meet Again
Producing so much that your rivals reflexively close all their factories, export energy for cash to buy goods, while engaged in expansionist wars with their dwindling reserves. That sounds like some hacky mapgame strat that would never work irl.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Mortimer Wheeler

I see you've put some thought into this

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

Wow, if only the "free world" had powerful, large scale organizations with control of massive amounts of land and wealth that could make changes to the legal and social structures of those lands that are inadequate in the face of another, different set of legal and social structures enacted by a different powerful, large scale organization with control of a massive amount of land and wealth. Alas, no such things exist and change is impossible.

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



the geopolitical rival we have been saber rattling against for decades has built up the industrial capacity to make too many vehicles.

those clods

those absolute imbeciles

what do you need to make that many vehicles for?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

China by the end of 2022 had the capacity to produce 43 million vehicles annually ... this translates to excess auto production capacity of ... roughly two-thirds of North American auto output in 2022.

extremely foreboding lol

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Wait, who is the one with regrets in this scenario? He could have made a difference at Kapyong.

that's just another reason it's good he didn't

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

what if car prices started going down from the extra supply? the horror, the absolute horror. All this careful work to make sure that advancing technology never lets car prices fall ruined by the perfidious orient.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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FuzzySlippers posted:

what if car prices started going down from the extra supply? the horror, the absolute horror. All this careful work to make sure that advancing technology never lets car prices fall ruined by the perfidious orient.

who knew cars without ICEs and a ton of auxiliary systems supporting said ICE are pretty easy to make

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


http://www.combinedfleet.com/economic.htm posted:

By the time World War II began to rear its ugly head (formally in 1939 in Poland, informally in China in 1937), America had been in the grips of the Great Depression for a decade, give or take. The net effect of the Depression was to introduce a lot of 'slack' into the U.S. economy. Many U.S. workers were either unemployed (10 million in 1939) or underemployed, and our industrial base as a whole had far more capacity than was needed at the time. In economic terms, our 'Capacity Utilization' (CapU), was pretty darn low. To an outside culture, particularly a militaristic one such as Japan's, America certainly might have appeared to be 'soft' and unprepared for a major war. Further, Japan's successes in fighting far larger opponents (Russia in the early 1900's, and China in the 1930's) and the fact that Japan's own economy was practically 'superheating' (mostly as the result of unhealthy levels of military spending -- 28% of national income in 1937) probably filled the Japanese with a misplaced sense of economic and military superiority over their large overseas foe. However, a dispassionate observer would also note a few important facts. America, even in the midst of seemingly interminable economic doldrums, still had:

Nearly twice the population of Japan.
Seventeen time's Japan's national income.
Five times more steel production.
Seven times more coal production.
Eighty (80) times the automobile production.

Furthermore, America had some hidden advantages that didn't show up directly in production figures. For one, U.S. factories were, on average, more modern and automated than those in Europe or in Japan. Additionally, American managerial practice at that time was the best in the world.

Unrelated, just posting some milhist stuff that's definitely still true about any potential wars in the Pacific

Crazycryodude has issued a correction as of 07:36 on Apr 5, 2024

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Crazycryodude posted:

Unrelated, just posting some milhist stuff that's definitely still true about any potential wars in the Pacific

I'd say this is a preview but the us can't hope to match japan's naval output from 1945

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

BearsBearsBears posted:

The situation in China's solar panel sector may be worse, where overproduction pushed prices down 42% last year to levels 60% below the cost of comparable U.S.-made products. Major Chinese producers are continuing to build factories, backed by provincial and local subsidies.

At the end of 2023, China had the capacity to build 861 gigawatts of solar modules per year, more than double the global total installed capacity of 390 million gigawatts. Another 500-600 gigawatts of annual capacity is forecast to come online this year -- enough to supply all global demand through 2032, according to energy research firm Wood Mackenzie.

You know, I'm not convinced 60% below US prices and sinking is unsustainable if you have deflating housing and food costs and those panels actually produce energy.

OutsideAngel
May 4, 2008

genericnick posted:

You know, I'm not convinced 60% below US prices and sinking is unsustainable if you have deflating housing and food costs and those panels actually produce energy.

Low housing and food costs are why they're 60% below US prices, no?

low cost of living = low price of labor = cheap goods that dominate the market

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

OutsideAngel posted:

Low housing and food costs are why they're 60% below US prices, no?

low cost of living = low price of labor = cheap goods that dominate the market

Not really, I don't think. If you manufacture a lot and build a lot of modern factories you'll get really good at that. I suspect that's the main thing. New production methods pushing down the labor hours needed.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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genericnick posted:

You know, I'm not convinced 60% below US prices and sinking is unsustainable if you have deflating housing and food costs and those panels actually produce energy.

efficiency = overproduction

best neolib brains

Maltloaf
Jul 3, 2018
Neolibs: We must encourage the most efficient allocation of resources and investment into the development of clean green tech to meet growing energy demands in a sustainable way. Such investment will drive down the costs at scale and provide affordable access to everyone, will Level Up our communities, secure employment for millions and skill up the labour force so we can Build Back Better.

China: like this?

Neolibs: no, you are putting us out of business.

China: but don't you believe in competition as the best way to determine the most efficient allocation of resources?

Neolibs: only when measured by rate of profit, heretic.

China: but doesn't your own economic theory suggest that profitability tends to zero given a highly competitive industry anyway?

Neolibs: YOU ARE SANCTIONED

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
china is breaking the rules by kicking our asses too hard, and we'd like to speak to their manager

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

Megamissen posted:

reminder that frosted flakes childhood dream was to get a posthumous victoria cross

Lol

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
You need electricity to make solar panels, China has cheap electricity.

Solar panels will bring growth to the far remote parts of global south because you don't need to build power grid to there anyway.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 10:24 on Apr 5, 2024

Forseti
May 26, 2001
To the lovenasium!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Mortimer Wheeler

lmao I love that you had this ready to go

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Voice of Labor posted:

I see you've put some thought into this

Forseti posted:

lmao I love that you had this ready to go





"For conspicuous gallantry and initiative. While making a reconnaissance he saw two enemy field guns limbered up without horses within 300 yards of the outpost line. He returned for two six-horse teams, and under heavy fire, in full view of the enemy, successfully brought back both guns to his battery position and turned them on the enemy. He did fine work."





"In 1936, Wheeler embarked on a visit to the Near East, sailing from Marseilles to Port Said, where he visited the Old Kingdom tombs of Sakkara. From there he went via Sinai to Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. During this trip, he visited various archaeological projects, but was dismayed by the quality of their excavations; in particular, he noted that the American-run excavation at Tel Megiddo was adopting standards that had been rejected in Britain twenty-five years previously. He was away for six weeks, and upon his return to Europe discovered that his wife Tessa had died of a pulmonary embolism after a minor operation on her toe. According to Tessa's biographer, for Wheeler this discovery was "the peak of mental misery, and marked the end of his ability to feel a certain kind of love". That winter, his father also died."

"Serving with the Eighth Army, Wheeler was present in North Africa when the Axis armies pushed the Allies back to El Alamein. He was also part of the Allied counter-push, taking part in the Second Battle of El Alamein and the advance on Axis-held Tripoli. On the way he became concerned that the archaeological sites of North Africa were being threatened both by the fighting and the occupying forces. After the British secured control of Libya, Wheeler visited Tripoli and Leptis Magna, where he found that Roman remains had been damaged and vandalised by British troops; he brought about reforms to prevent this, lecturing to the troops on the importance of preserving archaeology, making many monuments out-of-bounds, and ensuring that the Royal Air Force changed its plans to construct a radar station in the midst of a Roman settlement. Aware that the British were planning to invade and occupy the Italian island of Sicily, he insisted that measures be introduced to preserve the historic and archaeological monuments on the island."



"Promoted to the acting rank of brigadier on 1 May 1943, after the German surrender in North Africa, Wheeler was sent to Algiers where he was part of the staff committee planning the invasion of Italy. There, he learned that the India Office had requested that the army relieve him of his duties to permit him to be appointed Director General of Archaeology in India. Although he had never been to the country, he agreed that he would take the job on the condition that he be permitted to take part in the invasion of Italy first. As intended, Wheeler and his 12th Anti-Aircraft Brigade then took part in the invasion of Sicily and then mainland Italy, where they were ordered to use their anti-aircraft guns to protect the British 10th Corps. As the Allies advanced north through Italy, Wheeler spent time in Naples and then Capri, where he met various aristocrats who had anti-fascist sympathies."

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Admittedly, Combat Archeologist is the peak male fantasy. For further evidence, see Daniel Jackson from SG-1.

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012
I wonder how much Western military planning is subconsciously based on uncovering ancient super weapons.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Bar Crow posted:

I wonder how much Western military planning is subconsciously based on uncovering ancient super weapons.

Anywhere between 2-10%

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
FF fantasizing about going to the Middle East and finding out his wife died when he comes back.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:



"For conspicuous gallantry and initiative. While making a reconnaissance he saw two enemy field guns limbered up without horses within 300 yards of the outpost line. He returned for two six-horse teams, and under heavy fire, in full view of the enemy, successfully brought back both guns to his battery position and turned them on the enemy. He did fine work."





"In 1936, Wheeler embarked on a visit to the Near East, sailing from Marseilles to Port Said, where he visited the Old Kingdom tombs of Sakkara. From there he went via Sinai to Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria. During this trip, he visited various archaeological projects, but was dismayed by the quality of their excavations; in particular, he noted that the American-run excavation at Tel Megiddo was adopting standards that had been rejected in Britain twenty-five years previously. He was away for six weeks, and upon his return to Europe discovered that his wife Tessa had died of a pulmonary embolism after a minor operation on her toe. According to Tessa's biographer, for Wheeler this discovery was "the peak of mental misery, and marked the end of his ability to feel a certain kind of love". That winter, his father also died."

"Serving with the Eighth Army, Wheeler was present in North Africa when the Axis armies pushed the Allies back to El Alamein. He was also part of the Allied counter-push, taking part in the Second Battle of El Alamein and the advance on Axis-held Tripoli. On the way he became concerned that the archaeological sites of North Africa were being threatened both by the fighting and the occupying forces. After the British secured control of Libya, Wheeler visited Tripoli and Leptis Magna, where he found that Roman remains had been damaged and vandalised by British troops; he brought about reforms to prevent this, lecturing to the troops on the importance of preserving archaeology, making many monuments out-of-bounds, and ensuring that the Royal Air Force changed its plans to construct a radar station in the midst of a Roman settlement. Aware that the British were planning to invade and occupy the Italian island of Sicily, he insisted that measures be introduced to preserve the historic and archaeological monuments on the island."



"Promoted to the acting rank of brigadier on 1 May 1943, after the German surrender in North Africa, Wheeler was sent to Algiers where he was part of the staff committee planning the invasion of Italy. There, he learned that the India Office had requested that the army relieve him of his duties to permit him to be appointed Director General of Archaeology in India. Although he had never been to the country, he agreed that he would take the job on the condition that he be permitted to take part in the invasion of Italy first. As intended, Wheeler and his 12th Anti-Aircraft Brigade then took part in the invasion of Sicily and then mainland Italy, where they were ordered to use their anti-aircraft guns to protect the British 10th Corps. As the Allies advanced north through Italy, Wheeler spent time in Naples and then Capri, where he met various aristocrats who had anti-fascist sympathies."

quote:

Wheeler expressed the view that he was "the least political of mortals".[175] Despite not taking a strong interest in politics, Wheeler was described by his biographer as "a natural conservative"; for instance, during his youth he was strongly critical of the Suffragettes and their cause of greater legal rights for women.[272]

Nevertheless, he was "usually happy to advance young women professionally", something that may have been based largely on his sexual attraction toward them. He expressed little interest in his relatives; in later life, he saw no reason to have a social relationship with people purely on the basis of family ties.[273]

Wheeler was married three times. In May 1914, Wheeler married Tessa Verney. Tessa became an accomplished archaeologist, and they collaborated until her death in 1936. Their only child, Michael Mortimer Wheeler, was born in January 1915; he became a barrister.[185] Following Tessa's death, in 1939, Wheeler married Mavis de Vere Cole,[274] widow of prankster Horace de Vere Cole.[275] Their relationship was strained; Cole's diaries revealed that Wheeler hit her when she annoyed him.[128]

In 1945, Mortimer Wheeler married his third wife, Margaret Collingridge. Although they became estranged in 1956, Collingridge's Catholicism prevented divorce. Meanwhile, Wheeler was well known for his conspicuous promiscuity, favouring young women for one-night stands, many of whom were his students.[276] He was further known for having casual sex in public places. That behaviour led to much emotional suffering among his various wives and mistresses of which he was aware.

Checks out

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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Slavvy posted:

Checks out

His love of archeology and artillery wasn't pure enough, and he filled in the gaps with women. Many such cases. I read Still Digging and Adventure in Archaeology when I was little, I'm assuming those parts were left out.

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