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Prince Valiant in the Days of King Arthur (Dec 16, 1945)   Nice duck hat, Sadonia.
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Owl at Home posted:Nice duck hat, Sadonia. I prefer her husband's grumpy cat face helmet.
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Tiger, Tiger     That's a good thinking pipe. Kennel has a new favorite as of 00:02 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Apr 4, 2024 23:55
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god Val is such a chump lol
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fritz posted:The Worm Troll That's real good, and real sad, and probably the happiest I've ever been to encounter a last-second "it was imagination" twist. Of course the reality is also sad, but that mixed feeling moment as a reader is really well executed. Finally there's a child even worse than the Necropolis girl at dark bargains.
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Owl at Home posted:
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Phthisis posted:
Eh, her hair is a bird, your argument is invalid
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Apr 5, 2024 03:26
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Im thinkin about thos sound effects I'm after ideas, I suppose. This is the first panel of a current project. I got 5 pages in before realising I hadn't drawn/written any sound effects anywhere, and maybe I should fix that? This picture is meant to show a weird giant silent floating platform thing (yes I've watched too much Villeneuve why do you ask). Do you think I can get away with having almost zero sound effects? Or does this panel need a HMMMM or a HOOOOM or a RRRRR drawn across it?  I remembered Clown Corps and Lavender Jack as using a lot of fx but upon review they actually don't. The artists are just that infuriatingly good at getting their point across. On the other extreme, Kill Six Billion Demons makes constant (excellent) use of fx, from teaspoon ting-tings to panel-filling DOOMS.
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Tree Bucket posted:Im thinkin about thos sound effects This is a really interesting question. I personally haven't thought about effective use of sound effects before, other than sometimes they are deliberately funny or convey a pulp action tone. But off the top of my head, I think K6BD has a maximalist aesthetic that's about immersing the viewer in environmental detail, and using tons of sound effects adds to that by bringing in a sensory element not easily conveyed through visuals or traditional prose. By contrast, Lavender Jack/Dan Schkade is almost ruthlessly efficient and makes every spare element he introduces to the work count- there aren't a lot of wasted lines, colors, or panels. His work is evocative because he is very skilled with color, line, and panel composition, but it isn't focusing on immersing you in the setting the way K6BD is. It's more interested in action (not a statement that K6BD isn't also very interested in action, this is a half baked aesthetic comparison). Thinking about it another way, K6BD generally has a lot of panels you are really meant to sit with and get lost in, filled with detail, expansive compositions, creating a sweeping view and really emphasizing place. It's happy to make huge spreads and have a slow 'read' as the reader enjoys the visuals at their pace. The big expansive panels even create a sense of large 'moments', creating an unhurried journey through the page. Lavender Jack has a fast pace and narrow panels that flow into each other very quickly and do as much as possible with as little detail as needed. It's geared towards a fast read, compositions are generally tightly focused one one or two key elements, lines are thick and sweeping, color and silhouettes are bold, and it uses the vertical format for a continous visual flow downwards. Even establishing shots are constrained to this narrow format and quick read, you aren't meant to get caught on panels in the way K6BD invites. Color is the main tool in the emotional and sensory arsenal, and it is a powerful one. Oh, and shadow Schkade does a lot with shadow. As for your panel, I don't know if it needs a sound effect or not without seeing the full context. I feel 'giant ominous floating craft' is an image that already carries some specific auditory cues (or lack thereof) of either sinister silence or ominous unnatural noises. I don't think it's going to be distracting to add a bit of sound, but you could also probably effectively convey the tone with visuals only. What do you want the sound effect to contribute to the panel? If it's your first sound effect in the work, the readers may place a great deal of importance on the 'silence' suddenly being broken (or they might not notice lol). Would it draw too much attention to the panel to add the first sound effect in the piece? Or is this maybe good and you want that panel to catch people when reading it? Are you looking for a specific sensory detail, or an emotional reaction? Or maybe you want to add information, and unambigously let the viewers know that it is creating a sound? Or let them know what kind of sound it makes, to communicate it is mechanical or some other detail? Truthfully I think this is a question with many potential right answers, and people are going to have varied preferences. Maybe this is all kind of a nonanswer, lol. Sorry. mycatscrimes has a new favorite as of 05:29 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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Apr 5, 2024 05:19
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Sound effects are basically invisible to me.
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Apr 5, 2024 05:33
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agree with emz i think at least for that specific panel a softer smaller vmmm or something would be okay since it appears to be farther in the distance (bigger more panel-encompassing VMMMMMM if you were to zoom in)
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Tree Bucket posted:Im thinkin about thos sound effects For your specific example, if it is supposed to be a quiet aircraft maybe instead of a sound effect maybe go with just showing the movement using wing condensation or the air turbulence affecting the clouds. That way the reader realizes that it moves, but the absence of fx indicates that it's actually silent.  
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One Day Outing Foreman chapter 41: Love Stories    
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SimonChris posted:Velvet Gewgaw lmao Synthbuttrange has a new favorite as of 06:42 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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mycatscrimes posted:Thinking about it another way, K6BD generally has a lot of panels you are really meant to sit with and get lost in, filled with detail, expansive compositions, creating a sweeping view and really emphasizing place. It's happy to make huge spreads and have a slow 'read' as the reader enjoys the visuals at their pace. The big expansive panels even create a sense of large 'moments', creating an unhurried journey through the page. Makes sense. A big K6BD page feels like being a kid with a Where's Wally book (or Waldo, as he's known to the heretics). Or the big double-pagers from Dinotopia, if you remember that. Beyond a couple of scenes, I'm not going for LJ action or the teeming chaos of K6BD world-building. But if I start thinking about Schkade and Abaddon too much I'll give up now as those guys are masters. (And, presumably, don't have day jobs haha.) mycatscrimes posted:As for your panel, I don't know if it needs a sound effect or not without seeing the full context. I feel 'giant ominous floating craft' is an image that already carries some specific auditory cues (or lack thereof) of either sinister silence or ominous unnatural noises. I don't think it's going to be distracting to add a bit of sound, but you could also probably effectively convey the tone with visuals only. Aha, more good points. I think I like the contrast between the mention of "nature" in the speech bubble and the unnatural floating giant thing; and a textual sound effect might distract from that. But yeah, speaking of contrast, it might actually work quite well to not use sound effects at all up until A Particular Planned Scene later on, where their inclusion might be a really interesting effect... Helios Grime posted:For your specific example, if it is supposed to be a quiet aircraft maybe instead of a sound effect maybe go with just showing the movement using sing condensation or the air turbulence affecting the clouds. That way the reader realizes that it moves, but the absence of fx indicates that it's actually silent. Oohh, that's a nice idea. I may need to do some editing. CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:agree with emz I guess that's the issue- the smaller vmmmm would fit quite well, but as you said, for the zoom-in I'd need a bigger VMMM for contrast. But I'm not sure I can commit to ksbd-scale sound effects! Man, comics are hard work.
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Tree Bucket posted:But yeah, speaking of contrast, it might actually work quite well to not use sound effects at all up until A Particular Planned Scene later on, where their inclusion might be a really interesting effect... I can imagine a comic where only one thing ever produces a written sound, for a particularly unnerving and attention-grabbing effect. Based on what you've mentioned about this thing so far, that might be something you're going for. Ditocoaf has a new favorite as of 07:03 on Apr 5, 2024 |
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oh hey that's a good idea too!
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In any case for this particular panel I'd advocate no sound effect, if you're going for "strange/ominous" and it's something off in the distance to the speaker. Especially if you're trying to play the ominousness straight-faced: a tiny "vmmm" to denote movement might actually read as playful.
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Yep, I think no sound effects plays into the general "what is this thing" vibe. Weighing up the possibilities of putting literally every panel up one at a time for review, until the world's greatest consensus-built comic is created. What could go wrong?
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post the panels in a random order and see if we can put them together. (or don't, this sounds pretty dang cool and I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing it as a piece.)
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This conversation is reminding me of this Z-list DC Comics supervillain: Onomatopoeia, his gimmick is that he says all his sound effects and not much else.
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they defeated him by feeding him a bad burrito and having him spend all his time and effort yelling GURGLE, FLART so he couldn't do any crimes
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No see, he thought of that, that's why he's got the full face mask.
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Superman & Lois actually managed to make Onomatopoeia cool.
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This picture puts an ominous "Vmmmmmmm" hovering/buzzing sound effect in my head without needing it written out, fwiw
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The other thing I can think of is to have something like a low rumble or "vmmm" across the bottom of every single panel where it's around, even the ones where it's not in focus and no one is looking at it. Like the sound could show up pages before anyone actually looks up and spots the thing, letting the reader know something is up and have to wait for the characters to notice. That'd give it more of an active presence rather than an eerie passive one, but if eerie is the vibe you're going for, I think absolutely no onomatopeia is the way to go.
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Different Country Diary          Probably not great that I can relate to Makio as much as I do, but I do appreciate her honesty and straightforwardness
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:Video Game Cheats n' Beatums 
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Beank and Rosa: How to Draw Meat      Emzedoh posted:Reminds me of this, somehow.
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I have no idea what's going on, but I like meat so that's ok
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So I won't post the full list of the actual words yet, but I will post a list of vague crossword-style clues for the words. In no particular order. Thank you Not a mummy Part of a goon-made comic title Several exist Kinda queer Milk Was in a surprisingly gay orange juice commercial Responsible for horrible people If you're good you can get this Happily married Not just one No longer a bad guy The biggest badass around Nominally a superhero Relationship status: It's complicated delet this One character covers up Someone's sick Rest in peace What was this even about
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SOUBOUTEI MUST BE DESTROYED    Fukken...boxing nerds with power gloves 
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I may not be 30 generations of prime ministers, but I'm not quite sure how they expected their plan of "send literally all of our elite guys into the house, that takes over the bodies of people who mess with it, at the same time" to pan out.
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Squidster posted:I hadn't seen this before! Pork slap rules. One of these days I'll post the rest of Nobody Scores. It's a little comic about inevitable disaster. Hyouge Mono Ceremony 69: A Man's Man to Man      "I see you piss harder than I do - do you intend to rule the land also!?" The Dragon, the Hero and the Courier Episode 36: The Knight, the Squire and the Experience Points      Holy poo poo, Sig.
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Emzedoh posted:"I see you piss harder than I do - do you intend to rule the land also!?" 
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I'm definitely not sniggering at this, because I'm definitely a mature and grown-up sensible intellectual person; Osmosisch posted:This picture puts an ominous "Vmmmmmmm" hovering/buzzing sound effect in my head without needing it written out, fwiw Mission accomplished!! KennyMan666 posted:surprisingly gay orange juice commercial What Zulily Zoetrope posted:I may not be 30 generations of prime ministers, but I'm not quite sure how they expected their plan of "send literally all of our elite guys into the house, that takes over the bodies of people who mess with it, at the same time" to pan out. 
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