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ContinuityNewTimes posted:Maybe small countries can't afford to throw munitions at the current thing Maybe you shouldn't post
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Apr 6, 2024 22:09
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We'll never know
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Apr 6, 2024 22:13
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Calling Estonia of all countries a small country that can't afford to support "the current thing" is so incredibly ignorant I don't even know where to begin. Estonia is the last loving country to consider this war "the current thing". They understand perfectly well what's at stake. Educate yourself.
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Apr 6, 2024 22:15
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The best possible use for Estonia’s shells right now, from Estonia’s own perspective, must be the destruction of Russian military capabilities without any Estonian people or property put at risk in the process.
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Apr 6, 2024 22:18
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Subjunctive posted:What is the funding block here? Are they saying that they have shells, but for sale rather than donation? They aren't finding warehouses of free shells. Probably a seller, and buying those shells would overtax Estonia, which has to prepare for Russian aggression at the same time. So they'll need funding, either through the peace fac or direct transfer. Realistically, by Germany paying for the shells.
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Apr 6, 2024 22:21
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Estonia is quite prepared for Russian aggression even without those shells, IMO, given that unlike Ukraine they have Article 5 in their pocket.
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Apr 6, 2024 22:33
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spankmeister posted:Calling Estonia of all countries a small country that can't afford to support "the current thing" is so incredibly ignorant I don't even know where to begin. Estonia is the last loving country to consider this war "the current thing". They understand perfectly well what's at stake. Educate yourself. Post history MVP
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Apr 6, 2024 22:36
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Subjunctive posted:Estonia is quite prepared for Russian aggression even without those shells, IMO, given that unlike Ukraine they have Article 5 in their pocket. trump will send some marines as moral support for the Russian invasion lol
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Apr 6, 2024 22:37
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Just saw an article Estonia found a bunch more shells
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Apr 6, 2024 22:43
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Khanstant posted:Just saw an article Estonia found a bunch more shells I bet they were in the pockets of a bunch of old coats.
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Apr 6, 2024 22:47
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Apr 6, 2024 22:57
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Khanstant posted:Just saw an article Estonia found a bunch more shells The elites don't want you to know this, but the ammo warehouses in Europe are free, you can take them home and use them in a war, I have 4000 ammo warehouses. 
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Apr 6, 2024 23:00
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Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Apr 6, 2024 23:24
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Even for surplus, that's still a couple hundred million dollars worth in times like these. They'd probably like an additional NATO Patriot permanently stationed in Estonia or something in exchange.
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Apr 6, 2024 23:57
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Subjunctive posted:The best possible use for Estonia’s shells right now, from Estonia’s own perspective, must be the destruction of Russian military capabilities without any Estonian people or property put at risk in the process. The same goes for everyone in Europe. Nobody has a military because Spain might come over the Pyrenees swinging, it's 98% Russia and 2% having an expeditionary/peacekeeping force. Giving munitions to Ukraine degrades the Russian military threat now, which is even better than what they were acquired for in the first place.
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Apr 7, 2024 00:04
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Subjunctive posted:What is the funding block here? Are they saying that they have shells, but for sale rather than donation? From the article: quote:Estonian defense minister Hanno Pevkur said his own government had found another million shells and rockets for Ukraine. So they found additional shells possibly for sale in various unnamed non-European countries that are already involved in Czech initiative
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Apr 7, 2024 00:07
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$2,200 apiece?  Someone is getting a 1000% finders fee.
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Apr 7, 2024 00:25
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Yeah I hope that includes delivery lol
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Apr 7, 2024 03:18
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Man, I should really get into the producing weapons of war business
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Apr 7, 2024 04:06
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Twitter says: "Russian Il-76TD that was to land in St. Petersburg crashed in the Gulf of Finland" I'll take it, pack of yaks or not. I'll take it.
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Apr 7, 2024 04:19
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Man, I should really get into the producing weapons of war business My cousin Gaila did, and now he owns a moon!
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Apr 7, 2024 04:31
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goon project?
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Apr 7, 2024 06:31
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shadow puppet of a posted:Twitter says: "Russian Il-76TD that was to land in St. Petersburg crashed in the Gulf of Finland" It probably didn't, flight trackers are just reporting positions wrong due to GPS jamming.
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Apr 7, 2024 08:39
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mllaneza posted:The same goes for everyone in Europe. Nobody has a military because Spain might come over the Pyrenees swinging Nowadays, errybody act like they forgot about Hannibal
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Apr 7, 2024 08:49
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sauer kraut posted:Even for surplus, that's still a couple hundred million dollars worth in times like these. Estonia has at least one permanent Nato base think around 25k troops from European Nato partners. But yeah their economy is small and they depend on Western Europe to pay the bill, which should absolutely happen.
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Apr 7, 2024 10:23
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Anders Puck Nielsen released a new video on the upcoming Russian summer offensive. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJpXBF3GnpI
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Apr 7, 2024 10:28
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Subjunctive posted:Estonia is quite prepared for Russian aggression even without those shells, IMO, given that unlike Ukraine they have Article 5 in their pocket. The recent Perun video showed that the scenarion NATO is preparing for baltics is: russia takes estonia and latvia in a week and then NATO negotiates for them not to take lithuania.
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Apr 7, 2024 10:30
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A seven day special military operation? It would never catch on.
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Apr 7, 2024 10:38
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MikusR posted:The recent Perun video showed that the scenarion NATO is preparing for baltics is: russia takes estonia and latvia in a week and then NATO negotiates for them not to take lithuania. I think this is too simplistic: it is more that mobilization will take about a week and if Estonia falls before then defense will become much more difficult. Therefore Estonia's defense is focused on surviving that week. Lithuania is actually in a much more precarious position as Riga is right on the border and Russia wants to link up with the Kaliningrad exclave. Edit: if REDFOR ran the Russian military then eastern Europe would be hosed. exmachina fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Apr 7, 2024 |
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Apr 7, 2024 11:12
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:[*] Mechanised maneuver is very difficult because of drones; the pace of battle is dictated by how fast infantry can walk. The infantry tank returns! If you're limited to advancing at a walking pace, and a tank is better than no tank at all, might as well bring back the Infantry Tank with a good gun. Then introduce Cruiser tanks for when you breakthrough.
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Apr 7, 2024 11:25
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exmachina posted:I think this is too simplistic: it is more that mobilization will take about a week and if Estonia falls before then defense will become much more difficult. Therefore Estonia's defense is focused on surviving that week. It would still trigger NATO defense mode in Europe, so there‘d be 100s of planes and dozens of ships bombing Russia. Russia being dumb enough to attack the Baltics would probably be the quickest way for the Ukraine war to end on a positive note. Unless the West goes back to appeasement, which I very much doubt could happen in Europe. Like sure Riga gets destroyed, to later be rebuilt with European funds, while Russia gets decimated with no way back. That‘s the simple way a conventional war would go, everything else involving Nukes is Clancy chat and kinda pointless.
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Apr 7, 2024 12:27
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I was characterising Peruns description of wargames played in the Baltic states recently.
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Apr 7, 2024 12:43
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Comstar posted:The infantry tank returns! If you're limited to advancing at a walking pace, and a tank is better than no tank at all, might as well bring back the Infantry Tank with a good gun. Well, the army says it's been trying to restore the t95.
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Apr 7, 2024 12:56
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Man, I should really get into the producing weapons of war business It sounds tempting, but it is a very boom or bust industry.
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Apr 7, 2024 12:58
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Tahirovic posted:It would still trigger NATO defense mode in Europe, so there‘d be 100s of planes and dozens of ships bombing Russia. Sorry we can't risk escalation of conflict with russia, good luck and enjoy your new furher.
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Apr 7, 2024 13:17
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It's Vilnius that is near the border, Riga is by the sea and Estonian border which is why Latvia has been acting very cordial with Estonia.
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Apr 7, 2024 13:19
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It seems like Putin wants to test NATO's resolve. Is NATO really going to war with Russia, risking a nuclear exchange, over Estionia and/or Latvia? Yes they are NATO members and article 5 applies, but Putin seems determined to put it to the test.
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Apr 7, 2024 13:36
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https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1776919148045418549
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Apr 7, 2024 13:37
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https://youtu.be/krD4hdGvGHM?si=53HLsJl_OXE3-AIq
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Apr 7, 2024 13:47
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So Slovakia just elected a pro Putin dipshit as president.?Idk if he's in a position to accomplish much but i don't like it.
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Apr 7, 2024 14:00
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