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MonkeyLibFront
Feb 26, 2003
Where's the cake?

TwoShanks posted:

Trust wide resources are shite though. It's a deliberate attempt to de-skill the teaching profession by providing unified resources so anyone can "teach" any subject, another "performance management" stick to hold over staff by checking if you deliver the trust resources, and a terrible way to compensate for the chronic underfunding and lack of prep time for teachers.

What a way to twist it, I don't deny the later half of what you say, I've regularly witnessed my partner work 13 hour days and weekends when she was teaching, she was an utter shell at the end of each term.

Even with the results she has had as a teacher being outstanding I'm guessing you saw the trust lead bit and thought Ill.

At no point has her alignment of curriculum/exam boards been used as a way of getting "anyone to teach" or "performance management" of what she describes as a pile of contradictory poo poo brought in by Gove & Co, her trust wide resources which she's produced have been used to bolster teacher understanding of her subject along with a marked improvement of the kids understanding of the subject in question.

How can you guide teachers and departments across multiple schools if they all have their own systems and some aren't even teaching the curriculum? I've no doubt that some trust management may use a uniformed lesson to judge but trust resources aren't some sort of way in which you are oppressing teachers or diminishing their worth.

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fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/06/sick-days-for-wimps-gen-z-lazy-girl-jobs/

She's a self made girl, and it's just a coincidence that she's the daughter of Crispin Money-Coutts, the 9th Baron Latymer, and the family behind Coutts Bank.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
surely not real

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

fuctifino posted:



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2024/04/06/sick-days-for-wimps-gen-z-lazy-girl-jobs/

She's a self made girl, and it's just a coincidence that she's the daughter of Crispin Money-Coutts, the 9th Baron Latymer, and the family behind Coutts Bank.

https://twitter.com/TheJazzDad/status/1776910223157928230

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

check out her older brother Drummond for a giggle

he's legitimately the only good member of the family

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
Wizards are all sex criminals, I don't make the rules

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1777430489344688162

It appears the extortion was going on for at least a year, and I guess there's a lot more to come out if he's resigning now after the party backed him and praised him for his courage (lol)....

e: Lol about Ms Money also being the granddaughter of a former Telegraph editor :allears:

TwoShanks
Feb 27, 2007

Robots of the world unite

MonkeyLibFront posted:


Even with the results she has had as a teacher being outstanding I'm guessing you saw the trust lead bit and thought Ill.


I literally know nothing about you. I have been a teacher for about 20 years at this point so I'm commenting on my own experience. No offence intended to you or your partner, and I had no thoughts about the "trust lead bit". It sounds like your partner was/is a very good teacher. However the entire academy system is an abomination.

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her trust wide resources which she's produced have been used to bolster teacher understanding of her subject

This is what I meant about getting anyone to "teach" a subject, people who don't know the subject properly learning from the same resources as the students. This is caused by the difficulty recruiting and retaining staff because terms and conditions are terrible, as you noted with your partner.

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How can you guide teachers and departments across multiple schools if they all have their own systems and some aren't even teaching the curriculum?

If they aren't teaching the curriculum there's a pretty big issue. Depending on the subject, physics in my case, the curriculum content is almost the same across all exam boards. For guiding teachers you need to provide them with mentoring, quality ongoing CPD and peer review processes, and most importantly give them time to plan things properly and try new ideas. Working from someone else's resources all the time makes things quicker and means you are at least "covering the material" but ultimately does not help a teacher develop into a skilled professional.

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I've no doubt that some trust management may use a uniformed lesson to judge but trust resources aren't some sort of way in which you are oppressing teachers or diminishing their worth.

They are literally used this way in multiple schools I'm personally aware of, though fortunately have never worked in - "learning walks" are used to check that staff are delivering the trust approved PowerPoint with threats of disciplinary action if they don't. They are also used so you can get, for example, a biology specialist to teach physics without actually understanding it. They certainly can be a way of opposing teachers and diminishing their worth.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

A lot can happen between now and January 28th 2025, and it probably will too

fuctifino fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Apr 8, 2024

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
poll?

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

the ge

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
i suppose its fine but just seems a rather underexposed way to refer to an an actual election

Skull Servant
Oct 25, 2009

I don't think that's the case at all. Election day is commonly referred to as polling day. You go to your local polling station on the day of the election and cast your vote in a polling booth. The terminology is and always has been interchangable.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

It's just turned midnight. That means there's now only 294 days until the General Election :toot:

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Skull Servant posted:

I don't think that's the case at all. Election day is commonly referred to as polling day. You go to your local polling station on the day of the election and cast your vote in a polling booth. The terminology is and always has been interchangable.

I suppose so when you say it like that. But nah, it still doesnt sit right. It isnt a poll. A poll is like whats your favourite crisps or something

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

My physics teacher was a biologist, but the greater impediment to his ability to teach physics was the fact that he was also a young earth creationist who didn't believe most of the curriculum.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
you can post whatever proof you want, I'm not changing my mind.

Like if they said yeah we'll have a poll to see whose the government now and it said labour, they could just go, hmmm... interesting but its just a poll and carry on regardless.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through
idk is it not a phrase in the uk to also say “going to the polls” to vote? i’m pretty sure that gets trotted out every two years in the us

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It's called "polling day" technically, and "polling station" and "your poll card" but no generally the act itself is voting and the thing you're having is an election.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
see also the "poll tax", while an unofficial name it was generally not taken to mean a tax for talking to YouGov

fuctifino posted:

A lot can happen between now and January 28th 2025, and it probably will too



this is a big story to make out of "guy says as little as possible about the date of the election" tbh. still amusing to imagine a january election. or indeed, a january poll

Starbucks
Jul 7, 2002

Your daily cup of fuck you.
They used poll to make the headline fit, it seems such an odd turn of phrase to use it in the singular in that way.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

fuctifino posted:

Can't they just import all the databases into a single large spreadsheet?

These huge gigantic database migration projects are always theoretically possible, the problem is that the complexity scales uncontrollably with the format of the input. In the convert to .xlsx case, which number of columns would you need to cover every different database entry variable, and how would you combine and merge them without losing control of which information is lost? If the databases have different search/append functions, how do you reproduce that functionality if the entries only contain the information needed for the database's particular algorithms to work?

Consider the ur-type of this problem, converting a physical printed archive into a digital format. You could scan them into pdf, only, a pdf is a very different data format from a physical binder - you will need to replicate the archive's sorting by shelving, binding format, indexing etc, to reproduce the functionality needed for the archive to function as expected. Since you can't flip through the pages of a pdf you'll need - at the least - an index with hyperlinks, and figure out a naming convention which doesn't create the risk of having to open dozens of pdfs and browsing them page by page, to find a single important document. Now, consider different page layouts, paper formats, scanning combinations of double and single printed pages (do you accept up-to-half the pages being blank, or up-to-half being lost in scanning?), scanner jams, constrictions on usable pdf page sizes... and if and when you're finished doing all this, try doing it with another, very different archive, and merging the outputs in a predictable way. It's just going to lead to despair.

I tried doing a very ad hoc variant of this at work during the pandemic. My solution was to scan everything double-sided into pdf, using xpdf-tools to convert the output to single page pdf, then using a script to prune empty pages and recombine them into a pdf again, then opening the document in a web browser with css to create an editable toc, enable flipping pages and changing page order, and then printing it to pdf again... it didn't end up working particularly well, but I got a lot of respect for these kinds of issues, and a lot of scepticism for simple and quick solutions

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Make sure it's a .xls then there can only be a maximum of 65000 cases on it - hurrah - NHS is saved. Always would run better with no patients.

NHS data horrors:
In the late 80s/ early 90s we were required to set up an asset register of all items in the NHS that had a value of £10 or more. But if, say, a collection was normally found together eg 3 stacked filing trays - you had to count them too. DoH refused to recommend a system, so many HA's were trying to use the Works Information Management System which was entirely cumbersome and each item required 4 pages of data entry and if you got to the bottom of page 4 and found you were missing a bit of data then you had to abort the whole lot.
Also, there was NO budget whatsoever for this.

Anyway, I was temping there as PA to the District Building Officer in the Works Dept and they said "she can do it" - put me on as permanent staff Works Officer scales.

I built the asset register in Supercalc using string functions to construct codes, persuaded medical physics to give me all their data on an export file (naturally they had a totally different system), and then imported it all into the back end of WIMS (Dataflex system) and overwrote the control file.

I also was able to get a temp finally to input all the stuff which we didn't already have any sort of computerised records for and after going through stuff which we did have values etc for, told her to put anything she didn't know what it was down as £2344 value.

So the auditors came and said haha a cruet £2344 (my temp was Irish and they do stuff like call cupboards 'presses' or think 'presses' are cupboards not big ironing machines and she had no idea what a cruet was - it wasn't any old cruet, it was solid silver communion set from the chapel). Anyway, I then showed them the name of some piece of kit from the pharmacy that had lots of zs and ys in its name and said 'ok what's that then'? Oh they said. Dunno. "So what value?" I said. "Erm, £2344?" they said. And I prioritized top down where 700 assets (including land & buildings!) were the value of 91% of the nearly £600m estate value (this is over 45 years ago now so that was a LOT in those days). So when the DoH suggested making even more refined categories of stuff like ball point pens or whatever I wrote a bit of a rant about it being a complete and utter waste of time & money.

We were one of the first, if not THE first to pass audit with our Asset Register - let alone complete it on time. Everyone was telling the PTB that their asset registers were nearly complete then I would go on conferences etc & because I was a mere slip of a girl, quite a few 'fessed up that their asset registers consisted of piles of paper in the bottom of a filing cabinet.

Oh and after insisting on the £10 and also insisting that Ward 'Sisters' could go round listing all the 450V sockets etc, measuring 6" curbstones etc, about 2 months before the deadline, they changed the bottom limit to £250 after so many places had been counting their paperclips.

This is a good post

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:

These huge gigantic database migration projects are always theoretically possible, the problem is that the complexity scales uncontrollably with the format of the input.

Yeah, my company's been running a project to migrate our data and processes onto a new system. It covers the financial records and dealings of about 15,000 customers: it's been unbelievably complex, unforseen problems have cropped up constantly, each of which have required careful thought followed by a solution being designed, tested and integrated, the budget's spiralled through the roof and the project is currently 18 months behind the original completion date, with a fresh delay looking extremely likely. Getting the whole of the NHS onto a single integrated system is technically possible, in the same way that it's technically possible to count every grain of sand around the UK coastline (assuming infinite amounts of money, manpower and equipment); neither of those things are going to happen though.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

mediaphage posted:

idk is it not a phrase in the uk to also say “going to the polls” to vote? i’m pretty sure that gets trotted out every two years in the us

I'll never forget pokemon GO to the polls for as long as I live

frytechnician
Jan 8, 2004

Happy to see me?
Shout out to all the teachers and ex-teachers itt. I was an ESL teacher for 5/6 years and it was easily the most difficult, draining jobs I've ever done.

Had a few people on Facebook comment when I started saying how lucky I was to have X amount of hours teaching, thinking that classroom time was just in and out, no prep, no marking, to which I still say the same thing: I dare you to teach.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
barmy bonkers brits brave drizzle to go to polls shock horror!!!!!!!

hehehehehhehehehehehehhee
and they show all pictures of people's dogs at the polls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :holy: hehehhehehehe

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
YOU can't vote you're a doggy woggy, a GOOD doggy woggy, you has to wait ousside YES YOU DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
and then everyone ticks the box for a shower of shite whose flagship policies include forcing incontinent, terminally ill people to look for work in retail in their final, horrific months on this mortal coil and supporting the industrial scale slaughter of innocents in palestine, to look tough-like

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Microplastics posted:

I'll never forget pokemon GO to the polls for as long as I live

Can't remember who it was in C-SPAM but them later saying that Hillary Pokémon Blue her chance to be president will always stick with me too.

Tijuana Bibliophile
Dec 30, 2008

Scratchmo

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, my company's been running a project to migrate our data and processes onto a new system. It covers the financial records and dealings of about 15,000 customers: it's been unbelievably complex, unforseen problems have cropped up constantly, each of which have required careful thought followed by a solution being designed, tested and integrated, the budget's spiralled through the roof and the project is currently 18 months behind the original completion date, with a fresh delay looking extremely likely. Getting the whole of the NHS onto a single integrated system is technically possible, in the same way that it's technically possible to count every grain of sand around the UK coastline (assuming infinite amounts of money, manpower and equipment); neither of those things are going to happen though.

It's really easy to find someone you can pay who says they'll do it though

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
gee poor liz truss

too bad about all those people who lost their houses too i suppose

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...


Truss actually misheard the Monarch. The Queen told her to "go Space herself." as Lizzy had been watching loads of the Expanse in her last few months.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

crispix posted:

and then everyone ticks the box for a shower of shite whose flagship policies include forcing incontinent, terminally ill people to look for work in retail in their final, horrific months on this mortal coil and supporting the industrial scale slaughter of innocents in palestine, to look tough-like

Or even for the Tories.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The Question IRL posted:

Truss actually misheard the Monarch. The Queen told her to "go Space herself." as Lizzy had been watching loads of the Expanse in her last few months.

The Queen actually told her to piss off in her posh voice so it came out as “Pace Orf”

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

This is the sort of Brexit British Spirit we love to see. Some volunteers spent a week walking around logging dog turds

https://www.burnham-on-sea.com/news/new-dog-fouling-survey-reveals-worst-affected-burnham-and-highbridge-troublespots/

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.
Dog turds belong in the rivers, not the streets.

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

smellmycheese posted:

This is the sort of Brexit British Spirit we love to see. Some volunteers spent a week walking around logging dog turds

https://www.burnham-on-sea.com/news/new-dog-fouling-survey-reveals-worst-affected-burnham-and-highbridge-troublespots/



seaside_bakery.xlsm

His Divine Shadow posted:

Dog turds belong in the rivers, not the streets.

My dog won't even go in the water, not sure I could train her to poo poo in there

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