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Xiahou Dun posted:Specifically from defending Weisselberg. I wonder if this is the same situation as that young woman who was assistant to the chief of staff who found out that her lawyer was actually screwing her over and giving all her information to team Trump? Is Weisselberg about to turn on Trump now that he has an independent lawyer?
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Cimber posted:I wonder if this is the same situation as that young woman who was assistant to the chief of staff who found out that her lawyer was actually screwing her over and giving all her information to team Trump? Is Weisselberg about to turn on Trump now that he has an independent lawyer? Cassidy Hutchinson. And I suppose that’s possible, but Weisselberg has had many, many opportunities to flip so I’m highly skeptical. Dude already went to motherfucking Rikers for Trump.
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cr0y posted:Habba out She is still Trump's lawyer, this isn't about Trump.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Cassidy Hutchinson. Weisselberg took a severence payout which was basically "have a bunch of money if you don't snitch". He's an old man, has had a good life covering up for Donnie and now wants his kids and grandkids to benefit from his ill gotten gains.
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Kchama posted:She is still Trump's lawyer, this isn't about Trump. Right. But it certainly looks like Weiselberg is about to pull the old, “your honor, my lawyer told me to say those lies while under oath” defense. Edit: Also Smith has filed his SCOTUS brief on why presidents don’t have absolute immunity. https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/23/23-939/306999/20240408191803801_United%20States%20v.%20Trump%20final%20for%20filing.pdf Murgos fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Murgos posted:Right. But it certainly looks like Weiselberg is about to pull the old, “your honor, my lawyer told me to say those lies while under oath” defense. That's true. I was just contesting the original report since they ended their sentence as "out" to imply that she was out as Trump's lawyer.
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mdemone posted:If he continues to commit fraud at each level of his fraud trial, the number of frauds between frauds will trend upwards and eventually diverge to infinity, creating a Zeno's paradox of fraud trials that can never actually be completed in a finite time Thankfully calculus has demonstrated that you can (sometimes) take infinite sums and get finite results However I fully expect Trump's frauds to be the type to mathematically diverge to infinity
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I just saw on Bing that they are preparing to seize Trump properties.
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Lammasu posted:I just saw on Bing that they are preparing to seize Trump properties. I wonder if Donny will secure another bullshit bond from a different insurer at the last second. And I bet the court would still accept it. And then when they find out the bond is fraudulent again then the cycle can continue
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Lammasu posted:I just saw on Bing that they are preparing to seize Trump properties. I didn't see anything that was backed by an actual judges decision, I'd love to be wrong. The hearing for him to explain why his bond is all bullshit isn't for another 2 weeks.
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There's a lot of preparing they can do without the court actually deciding that Trump has failed to post a bond, so they can be ready for the go-ahead order. They've probably been preparing for seizure since the verdict was entered
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Lammasu posted:I just saw on Bing that they are preparing to seize Trump properties. They are not. There's some bad headlines going around based on blog posts written about twitter lawyers talking about how awful the $175M bond documentation is, see earlier in the thread. The hearing is on the 22nd.
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DarkHorse posted:Thankfully calculus has demonstrated that you can (sometimes) take infinite sums and get finite results
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haveblue posted:There's a lot of preparing they can do without the court actually deciding that Trump has failed to post a bond, so they can be ready for the go-ahead order. They've probably been preparing for seizure since the verdict was entered The judge has a special gavel, that he will use to end the trial if the appeal is denied. Upon impact with the sound block, a Bluetooth piece inside the gavel sends out an SMS to a team of tactical accountants which instructs them to immediately start seizing assets.
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Judicial drone-based appropriation. Just a line of floating drones in and out of all Trump properties. Each drone has some gaudy babble or knicknack or classified doc hanging from a claw.
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SpeakSlow posted:Judicial drone-based appropriation. Just a line of floating drones in and out of all Trump properties. Each drone has some gaudy babble or knicknack or classified doc hanging from a claw. Fishing for Donnies
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DarkHorse posted:Fishing for Donnies Except it's "Fishing With John", that HBO show from the late 90s, but instead of John Lurie it's Trump and instead of cool people like Tom Waits and Jim Jarmusch he has Stephen Miller and Rudy "Fishing... with Don"
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Scratch Monkey posted:Except it's "Fishing With John", that HBO show from the late 90s, but instead of John Lurie it's Trump and instead of cool people like Tom Waits and Jim Jarmusch he has Stephen Miller and Rudy I sincerely thought I was the only the person who watched that show.
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Gyges posted:The judge has a special gavel, that he will use to end the trial if the appeal is denied. Upon impact with the sound block, a Bluetooth piece inside the gavel sends out an SMS to a team of tactical accountants which instructs them to immediately start seizing assets.
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The Islamic Shock posted:I have a BBA with a minor in accounting, where do I sign up If you didn't have the brain chip ceremony at graduation, contact your advisor immediately
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The Islamic Shock posted:I have a BBA with a minor in accounting, where do I sign up I think I found the place. https://ag.ny.gov/job-postings
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Nervous posted:I think I found the place.
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So are they making Trump actually attend every day of his trial
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:So are they making Trump actually attend every day of his trial I've been wondering the same. Legally, my understanding is he's required to unless the court basically writes him a note. I'm assuming that not showing up to your own fraud trial would send a bad message to the jury and might not be advisable, but so is being Donald Trump so who knows what's tactically best on his end. I think that's currently a big ol' ???????????????? both in terms of what Trump should/wants to do and what he's going to be allowed to do. I doubt Merchan particularly wants him in the courtroom, but what the hell do I know, I'm just an idiot on the internet.
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Xiahou Dun posted:I've been wondering the same. Legally, my understanding is he's required to unless the court basically writes him a note. It's way more complicated than that. He has a right to be present, which he can waive, but there may also be requirements that he be present, depending. See https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/does-donald-trump-have-to-attend-his-own-trial
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's way more complicated than that. He has a right to be present, which he can waive, but there may also be requirements that he be present, depending. "(C) when the court warns the defendant that it will remove the defendant from the courtroom for disruptive behavior, but the defendant persists in conduct that justifies removal from the courtroom." Hmm... I can guess which of these clauses may soon be tested. (edit: "It is conceivable that a defendant could run for high office while on trial and through speech and action strain to show due respect for both obligations. It is not conceivable that Trump could." Heh.) Sarcastro fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It's way more complicated than that. He has a right to be present, which he can waive, but there may also be requirements that he be present, depending. O good to know! Thanks. I always like to know when I'm making false assumptions.
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Xiahou Dun posted:O good to know! Thanks. It's an interesting area of law, honestly. One level it's your trial and you're the star and toure presumed innocent and you don't have to testify and if you don't want to be there that's your dumb choice. On the other hand the state has a lot of interest in not giving you a chance to run off, your bond is over because that was until trial and trial has begun, arguably you need to be in custody until there is a verdict. It wouldn't surprise me if Trump makes new law here.
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If I was a judge presiding over a Trump case, him not being there would be a huge win. He's shown himself to be a badly behaved toddler who has zero impulse control.
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Pablo Bluth posted:If I was a judge presiding over a Trump case, him not being there would be a huge win. He's shown himself to be a badly behaved toddler who has zero impulse control. Him being in court is exactly what he DOESN"T want so him being in court and miserable away from the cameras is a huge win for the judge. he can cry about how unfair it is for the cameras as long as he has to sit there for 7 hours in the soiled diapers, dreaming about revenge or hamberders or whatever.
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Has he been poorly behaved inside the court? Everything I've seen has been him acting out in social media, rallies, non-court settings. I could believe he's less interested in causing a scene where there's no cameras, etc., for him to directly address his supporters.
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PharmerBoy posted:Has he been poorly behaved inside the court? Everything I've seen has been him acting out in social media, rallies, non-court settings. I could believe he's less interested in causing a scene where there's no cameras, etc., for him to directly address his supporters. Yes actually during the engoron trial he got pretty lippy and tried to grandstand after repeated denials from the judge. Tried to pull a speech out of his pocket and launch into it. Even if there aren’t cameras in the room he knows the media is watching and I think he relishes that in an all publicity is good publicity sense. Aping for the media and his base during his legal proceedings is arguably what rallied and wrapped up his nomination though in truth it was probably overdetermined.
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Trump will not being having his trial delayed again, he just got slapped down by an NYS appeals judge : https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/09/nyregion/trump-hush-money-trial-judge.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare The rest of the article is already well known so I’m not bothering to copy-paste it. She just gave him a big ol’ “lol no” to him asking to delay while he sues the judge.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:It wouldn't surprise me if Trump makes new law here. Hopefully we don't have a lot of citations to 'presidential candidate criminal trial precedent' in the future.
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Stick him in one of those glass boxes like they do in Russia but make it sound and smell proof.
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He also just walked out from fraud case in the middle of closing arguments (?) To make some tweets about the judge's clerk again. I don't remember the exact scenario, but he's definitely a huge liability to his own case whenever he's actually there in court.
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PharmerBoy posted:Has he been poorly behaved inside the court? Everything I've seen has been him acting out in social media, rallies, non-court settings. I could believe he's less interested in causing a scene where there's no cameras, etc., for him to directly address his supporters.
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Maybe this is dumb but if SCOTUS were to rule that the president enjoys even modest immunity to criminal prosecution due to implied article II powers then that seems to be also potentially enjoining the power of congress to impeach a president. It seems to me to be too fine a line for there to be acts which assume some level of implied constitutionally protected status but that you can be impeached for.
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Murgos posted:Maybe this is dumb but if SCOTUS were to rule that the president enjoys even modest immunity to criminal prosecution due to implied article II powers then that seems to be also potentially enjoining the power of congress to impeach a president. Yeah like if you are immune to crimes unless this group of 100ish people vote to stop you, what happens if you just kill those people.
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It's not technically inconsistent because impeachment is not prosecution. But the president being immune to criminal prosecution does open a lot of doors to impeding impeachment as a practical matter Also I don't think whether or not the president is, on paper, immune to criminal prosecution is really a consideration if we're at the point where purging congress is on the table
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