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Cygni posted:3090 Ti was full die, and Titan RTX was the full die Turing NVidia is mostly competing against itself, not AMD/Intel. Your target audience is people who have the 4090, just like the 4090 was targeting people with the 3090/ti. They're not trying to grow market share, their trying to turn it over. I'm not against your suggestion that the specs might not be legit or a cut down is possible. I think more likely that they'll just tie any increase in performance to a higher price.
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If they didn't put 32GB of RAM on the card, how else could they support  8K GAMING
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kliras posted:introducing ... rtx 2 Doesn’t sound nice enough; needs to be RTX DEUX
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Lockback posted:NVidia is mostly competing against itself, not AMD/Intel. Your target audience is people who have the 4090, just like the 4090 was targeting people with the 3090/ti. They're not trying to grow market share, their trying to turn it over. Yeah I think this is right, they have something like 80-90% of the consumer GPU market and the 4090 has shown them that even at inflated prices people will still buy the top level card as fast as they can make them. I'd be amazed if the 5090 wasn't at least $2k MSRP at launch.
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Apr 8, 2024 22:45
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igor's lab are suggesting that asus screwed up the paste job on the 4080 tuf some people on reddit suggest it's something that happens over time which could be due to bad mounting pressure instead. igor's lab also point out that the 4080 has a different chip shape than the 4090 which would require a different approach to treating each card also, this article is also based on one (uno) card sourced from the computerbase community, although igor's lab are trying to frame it like a general issue this is what they claim to be the before and after (red vs light blue)  igor's lab haven't batted a thousand historically (and please ignore the inevitable jayztwocents piggybacking video), but maybe don't pull the trigger on one until there's more consensus about whether there's a problem and how big it is basically let's wait for gn to look into it
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Going to 32GB with the 5090 would definitely get 4090 owners including me to upgrade. Gotta wonder if they'll still be stingy with memory at the low end
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shrike82 posted:Going to 32GB with the 5090 would definitely get 4090 owners including me to upgrade. You know they will be. Mark my works, there will be an 8GB “5060.”
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Igor is saying Asus screwed up the paste job on that particular 4080 TUF and that they're apparently cutting corners with cheap paste. He *is* annoyed at Asus because his own 4090 Strix was also using terrible (terribly cheap) paste that dried and needed a repaste already, and suggests the vendor with the premium prices isn't taking QA seriously. It's not a hit piece against that card/vendor though, he likes to do articles on how to repaste/improve the poo poo jobs AIBs do with paste/pads. Do you think he fabricated these graphs out of nowhere or what? orcane fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Apr 8, 2024 |
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Branch Nvidian posted:You know they will be. Mark my works, there will be an 8GB “5060.” Nvidia scrambling to offer a 16GB 4060 Ti option and them upgrading the $800 model to 16GB seems to indicate that they've realized that the VRAM totals they've been shipping so far have been inadequate. GDDR7 should in theory allow for a 12GB card with a 128-bit bus, so if they still only offer 8GB then they are being stingy to the point of knowing self-sabotage.
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Branch Nvidian posted:You know they will be. Mark my works, there will be an 8GB “5060.”
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Considering how cheap 1440p monitors are these days ($200 or less for 165+ hz IPS), "priced like a 1080p card" should mean something like $200. 1080p is entry level now.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Considering how cheap 1440p monitors are these days ($200 or less for 165+ hz IPS), "priced like a 1080p card" should mean something like $200. 1080p is entry level now. Yeah exactly, though it's still the most common resolution by a fair margin. I'm pretty sure "entry level, affordable GPUs means last gen" is the NVIDIA strategy now but if they really did want to make an affordable 1080p card 8GB would be fine. They probably won't though.
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The "abandon all hope ye who enter here" used to be sub $100 MSRP graphics cards, and I think that has now risen to $200. In the last 4 ish years, here is the full list of graphics cards launched with a sub $200 launch MSRP: 5500XT, 6400, 6500XT 4gb, 3050 6gb, A310, A380, A580. All of these have some pretty questionable trade offs. The A580 is the most capable of the bunch, but some buyers will likely be better served with a last gen card on firesale (6600XT) or buying used. I don't expect anyone except maybe Intel to put much effort into new sub $200 GPUs moving forward. The silicon cost and margins likely just arent worth it anymore.
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Lockback posted:Yeah exactly, though it's still the most common resolution by a fair margin. I'm pretty sure "entry level, affordable GPUs means last gen" is the NVIDIA strategy now but if they really did want to make an affordable 1080p card 8GB would be fine. They probably won't though. This would be totally fine by me if they just cut the dang price of their last-gen offerings. You can still buy a 3060 new... for $300. Why bother?
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change my name posted:This would be totally fine by me if they just cut the dang price of their last-gen offerings. You can still buy a 3060 new... for $300. Why bother? Yeah, and they could even still keep making the last gen (which is what I assume you're alluding to?), at least for the tiers where the prior gen wouldn't be potentially cannibalizing sales of the new gen.
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Cygni posted:or buying used. Does anyone else buy used cards itt? are these for your own machines, or your friend's, SO's, child's? I feel like its a whole world of savings for me to capitalize on because i'm sticking it in a non-windowed case so who cares if its not impeccably shiny, but...yeah, the fear of the VRAM going out or something is just too much.
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i really hope they don't go for 32 GB/512bit, they need to nerf the gaming cards so people don't buy them to do AI bullshitkliras posted:igor's lab are suggesting that asus screwed up the paste job on the 4080 tuf
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This feels like the time that one repair shop did a thing saying "THESE GPUS ARE ALL DYING" and it turned out they'd gotten a bulk lot of RMA'd cards from some partner company to repair.
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I think the same kind of thing happened when a repair-tuber got a load of cards that Cablemod had replaced.
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It's absolutely not like that. He's completely open about the fact he has the one Asus TUF which he agreed to fix, because his own Strix card had a poo poo paste job already, and he calls out Asus for slacking at QA and saving cents with bad paste, but at least in the written article he's not even remotely spinning this into ALL ASUS CARDS BAD or DON'T BUY ASUS.Shipon posted:Igor's lab could tell me the sky is blue and I'd need a second source to believe it. Igor's beyond a hack Except for the fan test stuff (he even admitted to mistakes in those, they were done by a contributor with insufficient oversight), his own technical articles and tests are reasonable and I just don't see how suddenly "vendor of expensive GPUs is cutting corners" is a controversial statement - this just shouldn't be happening if you're paying hundreds of dollars extra for your "silent, cool" premium OC GPUs.
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Didn't we have something similar with the POSCAP stuff, people ran with it and it turned out it didn't really matter?
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Icept posted:Didn't we have something similar with the POSCAP stuff, people ran with it and it turned out it didn't really matter? Yeah it turned out to be a VBIOS fix iirc
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buglord posted:Does anyone else buy used cards itt? are these for your own machines, or your friend's, SO's, child's? I feel like its a whole world of savings for me to capitalize on because i'm sticking it in a non-windowed case so who cares if its not impeccably shiny, but...yeah, the fear of the VRAM going out or something is just too much. I think I'm the resident used card vulture, at least the one who is willing to admit stalking ebay for the cast offs while the rest of the thread posts about their new 4090. I've never really had any problems. Like anything else on ebay you absolutely can get a lemon, but ebay in particular advertises that if poo poo's broken they'll make it right regardless of what the seller does. I haven't had to use that, but it's something to think about. The worst problem I've had is a card that just stunk. It was clearly from a smoker's house despite protestations to the contrary and, yes, blazing fat bowls all day counts as "smoking." That required a tear down and a bunch of cleaning, but it was cheap enough that I grumbled and did it. The way I figure it, even if I get a lemon and just need to eat the cost I've saved so much over the years that I'm still going to come out ahead. Posting this right now on a Dell 2080 that most certainly is NOT in a Dell any more. edit: if you do decide to dip into used cards, search out Dells. They're perfectly fine cards, but they run a bit loud. I don't know if it's that or some perception about them being a Dell, but they tend to go for a significant discount compared to everyone else. When I say a bit loud, my 2080 is certainly a noticeable presence in the room if I'm running a graphics heavy game, but it's not obnoxious and if the TV is on or I have headphones on it's not noticeable at all.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I think I'm the resident used card vulture, at least the one who is willing to admit stalking ebay for the cast offs while the rest of the thread posts about their new 4090. I am also fine buying used cards for myself and others. My last GPU was a 3080 FE that's still totally fine, and the used 3050s and 3060s I've put in friends' machines are problem-free
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Used cards are fine. From what I've gleaned from Buildzoid's videos there are only a couple to avoid: 3090s if they were used for mining because the memory on the back of the card usually isn't cooled well (or at all), and every Radeon VII is pretty much guaranteed to fail at some point. I think every Dell card I've seen is just Nvidia's reference design, probably manufactured by Foxconn or PC Partner like everything else
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FuturePastNow posted:
Sounds right. They're extremely plane jane cards without any real frills but that do what they should.
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orcane posted:Yeah sorry but this is beyond stupid. You can actually read the article / watch the video to see what was up with that card, are you saying he made it all up? Or that making a "Asus card has thermal issues because of bad factory paste job, here's how to fix your GPU" video is somehow problematic? Dude can't test a fan right, I'm not trusting a single graph igor posts until it's vetted by like 3 other people that know what they're doing.
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FuturePastNow posted:I think every Dell card I've seen is just Nvidia's reference design, probably manufactured by Foxconn or PC Partner like everything else The trend I've usually seen is higher end (xx80s and 90s) Dell branded models are good, but the cheaper (xx50s and 60s usually) are made as cheaply as possible and should be avoided. GN tested some of the cards they got in Alienware systems over time and the 1660 Super they got was the barest of bones with a barely capable cooler that ran triple digit temps but the 3090 and 4090s were excellent. But if you're going after used cards I don't see the point in chasing a cheaper card since the whole point is getting a top tier last gen card for a good price because some whale is upgrading every generation.
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njsykora posted:But if you're going after used cards I don't see the point in chasing a cheaper card since the whole point is getting a top tier last gen card for a good price because some whale is upgrading every generation. Pretty much. There's also a real sweet spot to be had with two gen old top tier stuff. It's generally on-par with entry level current gen for much cheaper. $200 2080s vs. $300 4060s.
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This story is a month old but I don't think it was posted here: https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/gpus/gpu-sales-saw-32-year-over-year-increase-in-q4-amds-market-share-rises-to-19 Discrete desktop GPU shipments have been steadily recovering the last few quarters and are pretty close to the pre-crypto norm. (here's some historical data.) I'm curious to see the Q1 data with the Super launch. AMD is doing pretty well with a 117% increase in shipments year-over-year, and they're close to 20% market share again. So despite all the doom and gloom of last year, the GPU market is actually doing pretty well currently. edit: Whispers of an autumn launch for battlemage: https://www.computerbase.de/2024-04/industriekreise-intel-battlemage-soll-noch-vor-black-friday-erscheinen/ Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Apr 9, 2024 |
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Cygni posted:3090 Ti was full die, and Titan RTX was the full die Turing The current rumour is that they'll run the VRAM at 28Gbit/s with the 5090, despite the dies being rated at 32Gbit/s. Similar to how every 4090 ships with 24Gbit/s GDDR6X that they run at 21Gbit/s.
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Imo if they're asking for 2k+ for a GPU I want it to do the hobby ai stuff too.
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MixMasterMalaria posted:Imo if they're asking for 2k+ for a GPU I want it to do the hobby ai stuff too. No but we can offer a 24 month payment plan at 0% APR* *21.9% APR
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Lockback posted:No but we can offer a 24 month payment plan at 0% APR* Hey, but you can save 10%* when you do the payment plan! * Savings capped at $50.
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It's called the 5090 because that's how much it'll cost
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I kinda want to see them continue to jack up prices to see what pricing would actually stop people from buying cards
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gradenko_2000 posted:It's called the 5090 because that's how much it'll cost When you see the price you turn 5090 degrees and walk away
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change my name posted:When you see the price you turn 5090 degrees and walk away But only at about a 46 degree angle away from the card so really you might end up with it anyway.
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shrike82 posted:I kinda want to see them continue to jack up prices to see what pricing would actually stop people from buying cards Could
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