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Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023



Inspirational.

Ok Ytlaya, your dedication to finding out what happens next moved me. What will happen at the Winter Ball? Will Hamilton find love? resuming the Hamiltune Singalong from where we left off last thread:


11. Helpless

[HAMILTON/BURR/LAURENS/ALL WOMEN (EXCEPT ELIZA)]
Hey hey hey hey

[ELIZA]
Ohh, I do I do I do I
Dooo! Hey!
Ohh, I do I do I do I
Dooo! Boy you got me

[ALL WOMEN]
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey

Lin-Manuel Turtle has issued a correction as of 07:20 on Apr 10, 2024

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SgtMongoose
Feb 10, 2007

Lin Manuel-Turtle posted:

Inspirational.

Ok Ytlaya, your dedication to finding out what happens next moved me. What will happen at the Winter Ball? Will Hamilton find love? resuming the Hamiltune Singalong from where we left off last thread:


11. Helpless

[HAMILTON/BURR/LAURENS/ALL WOMEN (EXCEPT ELIZA)]
Hey hey hey hey

[ELIZA]
Ohh, I do I do I do I
Dooo! Hey!
Ohh, I do I do I do I
Dooo! Boy you got me

[ALL WOMEN]
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey hey
Hey hey hey

Cool that Hamilton's Miranda's Hamilton's wife is still white in the play. Wouldn't want the race swapping to remove the important race relations.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Okay, so I have to know, why does everyone keep posting pictures of Tom Green wearing glasses in this thread??

Lin-Manuel Turtle
Jul 12, 2023

SgtMongoose posted:

Cool that Hamilton's Miranda's Hamilton's wife is still white in the play. Wouldn't want the race swapping to remove the important race relations.

That is multiple Grammy Award winning and Tony and Emmy nominated actress Philippa Soo, who is Asian American: “I identify as an Asian American woman and a mixed-race person. I hope my unique experiences and my identity can shine a light on the characters I portray and the stories I tell.”

LMM stays winning

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

ram dass in hell posted:

rip to the 3 interns the gingriches consumed

tristeham
Jul 31, 2022

SgtMongoose
Feb 10, 2007

Lin Manuel-Turtle posted:

That is multiple Grammy Award winning and Tony and Emmy nominated actress Philippa Soo, who is Asian American: “I identify as an Asian American woman and a mixed-race person. I hope my unique experiences and my identity can shine a light on the characters I portray and the stories I tell.”

LMM stays winning

Well, I stand corrected.

Now to go read up on the last 30 years of anti-affirmative action lawsuits.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Didn't Lightfoot run blacksites so cops could torture people during protests?

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat
why the heck is the ruling class so god drat weird looking

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

why are you

insane clown pussy
Jun 20, 2023

Jon Carbuncle posted:

why the heck is the ruling class so god drat weird looking

lizard people

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat

lumpentroll posted:

why are you

I wish I was enough of a weird freak to like them

gently caress working

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat

this checks out

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

I think they’re actually the dumbocrat party now imo

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

The b is silent

Or not!

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Uncle Wemus posted:

“There’s an unspoken consensus about the stories we should pursue and how they should be framed. It’s frictionless—one story after another about instances of supposed racism, transphobia, signs of the climate apocalypse, Israel doing something bad, and the dire threat of Republican policies. It’s almost like an assembly line. “
https://www.thefp.com/p/npr-editor-how-npr-lost-americas-trust

This guy's not wrong, per se. There was a dramatic tonal shift after Trump won and I'll admit that's the last time I've listened regularly. It was always lib af but at least you could listen to the news and generally get a survey of the stories (along with an obvious "promoted" viewpoint) but post 2016 it wasn't even pretending to be in any way impartial not only in the viewpoint but in what was being reported on.

I'll even go so far as agreeing with the idea that impartiality isn't possible in journalism and having a disclosed point of view is a better way of approaching journalism. But when your ideology forces you to ignore stories that ought to be covered, or when your prior coverage is memory-holed the instant its proven to be completely fabricated rather than acknowledged, this guy is right, you're just a propaganda outlet.

Where he stops short, and where all critics of journalism today stop short, is in denial of the root cause which is this isn't a country with a cohesive, shared narrative. No journalistic outfit can be all things to all people because we have a media landscape which caters to the reality that this country is comprised of two diametrically opposed groups, neither of which has a worldview that corresponds to reality in any way, and they exist in the milieu of millions of people trapped in that reality who can clearly see the problems and have absolutely no political or media representation at all.

And of these two groups, only the right wing uses its platforms to explain to those trapped in the reality of things why they're the group to back, because they have people to blame and prescriptions for solving it. Which is why this article ends with a link to him talking to Bari Weiss about it. Because the libs have no answer for us in reality, only contempt, and there's no way to counter the right's narrative with liberal nonsense because it can't--if you aren't in the church the sermon isn't for you.

So yes, our institutions have no public trust because they've demonstrated themselves unworthy of it, and yes, there are a vast swath of people interested in finding something trustworthy. But it's not the workeness that lost that trust, it's the fact the truth is uncomfortable to those in power and mass journalism, by definition, is beholden to power.

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Jon Carbuncle posted:

why the heck is the ruling class so god drat weird looking

being evil warps your appearance from the inside out

see: Nuland, Victoria

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

ClassActionFursuit posted:

This guy's not wrong, per se. There was a dramatic tonal shift after Trump won and I'll admit that's the last time I've listened regularly. It was always lib af but at least you could listen to the news and generally get a survey of the stories (along with an obvious "promoted" viewpoint) but post 2016 it wasn't even pretending to be in any way impartial not only in the viewpoint but in what was being reported on.

I'll even go so far as agreeing with the idea that impartiality isn't possible in journalism and having a disclosed point of view is a better way of approaching journalism. But when your ideology forces you to ignore stories that ought to be covered, or when your prior coverage is memory-holed the instant its proven to be completely fabricated rather than acknowledged, this guy is right, you're just a propaganda outlet.

Where he stops short, and where all critics of journalism today stop short, is in denial of the root cause which is this isn't a country with a cohesive, shared narrative. No journalistic outfit can be all things to all people because we have a media landscape which caters to the reality that this country is comprised of two diametrically opposed groups, neither of which has a worldview that corresponds to reality in any way, and they exist in the milieu of millions of people trapped in that reality who can clearly see the problems and have absolutely no political or media representation at all.

And of these two groups, only the right wing uses its platforms to explain to those trapped in the reality of things why they're the group to back, because they have people to blame and prescriptions for solving it. Which is why this article ends with a link to him talking to Bari Weiss about it. Because the libs have no answer for us in reality, only contempt, and there's no way to counter the right's narrative with liberal nonsense because it can't--if you aren't in the church the sermon isn't for you.

So yes, our institutions have no public trust because they've demonstrated themselves unworthy of it, and yes, there are a vast swath of people interested in finding something trustworthy. But it's not the workeness that lost that trust, it's the fact the truth is uncomfortable to those in power and mass journalism, by definition, is beholden to power.

good post ClassActionFursuit

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008


Remember, prices don't count toward inflation if they're too essential (housing, groceries) or if they're too trivial (borger). Only medium prices are real. It's simple economics

RealityWarCriminal
Aug 10, 2016

:o:

VitalSigns posted:


I remember the D&D covid thread had a lot of people speculating that Trump would force the CDC to release an ineffective or even dangerous vaccine and cover up all the evidence.

oh, word?

the_steve
Nov 9, 2005

We're always hiring!

Clip-On Fedora posted:

Okay, so I have to know, why does everyone keep posting pictures of Tom Green wearing glasses in this thread??

I'm just glad I'm not the only person who thought that was Tom Green

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011


Yeah it was pretty funny

quote:

I guess the question is what authority do you trust if they tell you they have a vaccine, and it is safe and effective? We've already demonstrated that you can't trust the POTUS, and any department reporting to him is dubious. Anything out of the UK, Russia or Brazil is similarly suspect. I think that's the biggest thing that is going to leave us hosed, nobody with any authority has any credibility

quote:

A person can reasonably be pro-vaccine in general circumstances yet still be suspicious of a rushed vaccine encouraged by the Trump administration and its weakened regulatory state.

quote:

I think they are more voicing the opinion that they'd feel better about a vaccine that passed regulatory and safety hurdles in countries that didn't have a gutted regulatory system and an incestuous interplay of industry and government in its regulatory agencies. Which doesn't strike me as irrational or anti-vaxx.

quote:

I despise anti-vaxxers, and as a volunteer in a homeschooling community I encounter far too many of them (thankfully their kids all know it's nonsense, and some of the older ones have actually gotten vaccinations without their parents' knowledge), so I'm really struggling with my sense of unease about a rushed-for-political-purposes COVID-19 vaccine. We've had folks who are in the know posting in these threads about the potential for harm that a botched or deliberately undermined vaccine trial could hold, harm which might not even become evident for years. Will I get a vaccine if it becomes available? gently caress, probably? But I will absolutely be waiting to see if more trustworthy European agencies sign off on it, and even then I'll be tempted to wait for a few months.

Help me out with this, goons: if a vaccine becomes available and seems credible (by whatever standard of credible you want to use), are we morally obligated to take it as soon as possible? Or is it sufficient to continue practicing diligent mask-wearing and social distancing for some period while waiting to see how the early adopters fare?

quote:

My strategy is to try to continue living in a country that doesn't have enough of a coronavirus problem to need to rush into vaccinating, and see what happens to 200 million Americans when they switch from being lab rats for a highly dangerous and unpredictable novel virus to being lab rats for the brand new vaccine.

quote:

You guys are assuming that they will, we're saying that in the highly charged political climate in the US and various other places there is a much higher than usual risk that pressure will be put on industry and regulators to sign off a vaccine quickly to secure the leaders' electoral prospects.

VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 13:36 on Apr 10, 2024

Rectal Death Alert
Apr 2, 2021

MadSparkle posted:

my sister in Florida thinks if she votes for Biden she can retire early, god help us all , I don't know where the hell she is getting this cocaine hit

Trump rising in the polls and looking to be the favorite is breaking brains already.

Not necessarily your sister but the worst liberals are the ones spreading this poo poo around to be impossibly negative for Trump and impossibly positive for Biden.

Trump is going to send gangs door to door executing minorities but Biden will end war, hunger and provide free college for everyone. Medicare For All will even exist from May to October this year again.

Why would you choose the apocalypse on purpose?!?!

Jon Carbuncle
Sep 21, 2002


Soiled Meat

VitalSigns posted:

Yeah it was pretty funny

not sure I see anything here other than a healthy distrust of the government

if I missed something let me know, but I was feeling similiar to those posts at the time of being cautious about anything being rushed by a rotten apparatus

that rot of course wasn’t all trumps fault, it’s been there for years

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

VitalSigns posted:

It would have been interesting to see the liberal reaction to the vaccine if Trump had won.

On the one hand The Money wanted people vaccinated so they could be forced back to work, encouraged to go out and spend money, etc. On the other hand TDS.

I remember the D&D covid thread had a lot of people speculating that Trump would force the CDC to release an ineffective or even dangerous vaccine and cover up all the evidence.

To be fair releasing inadequate protection and telling people the problem is solved so they can go back to work and die is exactly what the government did so it wasn't really an unfounded concern that it'd happen under trump, it just happened under biden instead.

LeeMajors
Jan 20, 2005

I've gotta stop fantasizing about Lee Majors...
Ah, one more!


morning news is wall to wall Dems vowing to “reinstate Roe v Wade” (which doesn’t make sense).

meanwhile they did jack loving poo poo to legislate abortion rights when they held both houses of congress.

but this time we will do it! pink promise! send money

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

PoundSand posted:

To be fair releasing inadequate protection and telling people the problem is solved so they can go back to work and die is exactly what the government did so it wasn't really an unfounded concern that it'd happen under trump, it just happened under biden instead.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Willa Rogers posted:

defending free speech is the position, you idiot.

read some glenn, stat!

didn't that whole intellectual dark web free speech discourse go away like 3 years ago?

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Jon Carbuncle posted:

not sure I see anything here other than a healthy distrust of the government

if I missed something let me know, but I was feeling similiar to those posts at the time of being cautious about anything being rushed by a rotten apparatus

that rot of course wasn’t all trumps fault, it’s been there for years

Yeah but it's not about trusting the word of the government right, because there are trials done and the data are published and we can look at that. Making the whole conversation about whether Big Pharma is trustworthy (they aren't) is what anti-vaxxers do. Not saying you're doing that, just pointing out that simply distrusting Trump/the government isn't a good reason.

I mean, all those lib concerns disappeared when Biden won, even though all the research had already been done under Trump. So it seems like either the fears were based on their own political partisanship, either that or Biden retroactively made Trump's FDA trustworthy

PoundSand posted:

To be fair releasing inadequate protection and telling people the problem is solved so they can go back to work and die is exactly what the government did so it wasn't really an unfounded concern that it'd happen under trump, it just happened under biden instead.
Yeah true, for sure a situation where the CDC just ignored the data so you've got to look at that.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

https://x.com/thehill/status/1778046787623821780

PoundSand
Jul 30, 2021

Also proficient with kites

VitalSigns posted:

Yeah true, for sure a situation where the CDC just ignored the data so you've got to look at that.

Yeah the cdc completely trashed their reputation over the politics of covid and trying not to let the economy get disrupted by it.

People who thought it was a trump thing are dumb for sure but the idea that public health is in shambles because it would hurt number is spot on.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

Democrats are increasingly nervous that former President Trump will woo centrist voters away from President Biden.

Trump’s public stance this week on abortion was a clear signal of his desire to shift to a more centrist position on an issue that has repeatedly helped win elections for Democrats.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4583813-democrats-nervous-trump-wooing-centrists-from-biden/

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

PoundSand posted:

Yeah the cdc completely trashed their reputation over the politics of covid and trying not to let the economy get disrupted by it.

People who thought it was a trump thing are dumb for sure but the idea that public health is in shambles because it would hurt number is spot on.

Well also there was the influence of Dr. Fauci, who has the dubious honor of mishandling two major epidemics in his lifetime.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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They know they are saying it's cool for Trump do this, right? They must know...............

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Uncle Wemus posted:

Democrats are increasingly nervous that former President Trump will woo centrist voters away from President Biden.

Trump’s public stance this week on abortion was a clear signal of his desire to shift to a more centrist position on an issue that has repeatedly helped win elections for Democrats.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4583813-democrats-nervous-trump-wooing-centrists-from-biden/

Maybe they should've campaigned on more than a single issue vs a known liar

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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Uncle Wemus posted:

Democrats are increasingly nervous that former President Trump will woo centrist voters away from President Biden.

Trump’s public stance this week on abortion was a clear signal of his desire to shift to a more centrist position on an issue that has repeatedly helped win elections for Democrats.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/4583813-democrats-nervous-trump-wooing-centrists-from-biden/

Trump might want to do this but the rest of his party won't let him. That Arizona ruling could literally decide the election. Also the framing of a 16 week ban, which would be stripping rights away from women in blue states, as "centrist" is a joke.

FormaldehydeSon
Oct 1, 2011

Fister Roboto posted:

new slit dot org

I prefer old slit thank you very much

Sanlav
Feb 10, 2020

We'll Meet Again

Business Gorillas posted:

Maybe they should've campaigned on more than a single issue vs a known liar

They've got binders full of receipts, he's a liar and once people know it's over Donny. He's in the Star Wars garbage compactor right now, and R2-D2 wants you to vote blue.

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loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

FormaldehydeSon posted:

I prefer old slit thank you very much

meet the new slit

same as the old slit

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