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Apr 10, 2024 22:30
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Rogue straight saying to Gambit your power is to light up anything you touch and my power means I can never feel it is such perfect and obvious squaring of their relationship that I feel stupid for not realizing it 20+ years ago. Embarrassing, like how I didn’t realize that Namor is just Roman backwards until my late 20s.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Rogue straight saying to Gambit your power is to light up anything you touch and my power means I can never feel it is such perfect and obvious squaring of their relationship that I feel stupid for not realizing it 20+ years ago. Embarrassing, like how I didn’t realize that Namor is just Roman backwards until my late 20s. It's also a line that is heartbreakingly romantic and also incredibly horny. So perfect X-Men.
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Marsupial Ape posted:Rogue straight saying to Gambit your power is to light up anything you touch and my power means I can never feel it is such perfect and obvious squaring of their relationship that I feel stupid for not realizing it 20+ years ago. Embarrassing, like how I didn’t realize that Namor is just Roman backwards until my late 20s. Well I didn’t know that about Namor until just now.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Well I didn’t know that about Namor until just now. Are you sitting down? You might want to because I'm about to tell you that Alucard is Dracula spelled backwards.
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swickles posted:The loving WHAT?!?! Winderbam or whatever his name is, head of Marvel TV said with the success of X97 and how good Daredevil is looking, he wants to bring back SHIELD next and the Coulson actor was making some noise online too. Fingers crossed because that would be great
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Rubber Chicken posted:Winderbam or whatever his name is, head of Marvel TV said with the success of X97 and how good Daredevil is looking, he wants to bring back SHIELD next and the Coulson actor was making some noise online too. An in canon AoS would be awesome. As long as they get Ming Na Wen back.
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Jeff Ward also said he'd come back but ONLY if Deke Shaw is still director of SHIELD Which, eh
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I always thought the Daughters of the Dragon spinoff they were teasing in the Marvel Netflix shows would have been cool.
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Spacebump posted:I think it is clear they are starting New X-Men stories and it won't be contained to this episode. The Madelyne/Jean/Scott astral plane scene was similar to an Emma/Scott/Jean scene in New X-Men. Episodes 8-10 are titled Tolerance Is Extinction. New X-Men's first arc was E Is for Extinction and had a version of what we just saw happen on Genosha. Considering the Bastion tease in last week’s ep, it seems they will go for Operation Zero Tolerance..
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With how much that episode took from the Morrison/Quitely run, I'd be very surprised if the last three episodes aren't something of an adaptation of E is for Extinction.
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Apr 11, 2024 00:52
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So Rogue went from 2 boyfriends to 0 boyfriends in the space of an evening. Bloody great episode. Is there a full list of the characters who were taken out this episode?
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First thoughts on '97 is that I did not expect Ray Chase to basically do a spot-on TAS Cyclops impersonation. I figured all the new VAs would just do their own thing, not try to replicate the originals. This guy sounds nothing like Noctis in FFXV, I wouldn't even suspect it was the same guy if I didn't know. Bravo to Mr. Chase. I've seen a fair number of complaints about Rogue's returning VA, the "she just doesn't got it anymore" kinda thing, but Rogue was never particularly well voiced anyway. I actually prefer her more...subdued. performance here. No, I think Wolverine is the one who has suffered most from the ravages of age. TAS Wolverine had an amazing voice but now he just sounds...well, old.
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Disagree, I think Wolverine's character is such that it doesn't matter if Cal Dodd sounds a bit older (and honestly, he largely sounds the same to me, I was shocked when he first speaks and I was suddenly 9 years old again) but Lenore Zann's voice clearly struggles with the vocal fry she uses for Rogue now. It's not impacting her performance, and I think that's important to note, her acting is still fine, it's just hard to not be conscious that this is the voice of a woman in her 60s coming out of this 20-something.
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I’m pretty sure Magneto and the other Morlocks are still alive, because we get a very quick voice from what I am pretty sure is Nightcrawler right before the beam goes through Magneto’s barrier.
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Gaz-L posted:Disagree, I think Wolverine's character is such that it doesn't matter if Cal Dodd sounds a bit older (and honestly, he largely sounds the same to me, I was shocked when he first speaks and I was suddenly 9 years old again) but Lenore Zann's voice clearly struggles with the vocal fry she uses for Rogue now. It's not impacting her performance, and I think that's important to note, her acting is still fine, it's just hard to not be conscious that this is the voice of a woman in her 60s coming out of this 20-something. That's why Jean's old VA is Valerie Cooper now, or so I've heard. She certainly does not sound like Jean or Jill Valentine anymore. So kinda strange they kept Rogue's original VA.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I’m pretty sure Magneto and the other Morlocks are still alive, because we get a very quick voice from what I am pretty sure is Nightcrawler right before the beam goes through Magneto’s barrier. That's Magneto, telling Leech not to be afraid, tying into Leech's earlier line about Magneto saying he wouldn't be scared again.
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So like.....5 episodes in.....why the gently caress did they fire the dude running this show again? I thought there was no way they could meet expectations. I was right, the Xmen 97 team blew way past them into the next galaxy.
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I think Shaw and Emma are alive too, as I think Shaw and Madelyne were just knocked out, not killed, and I don't think we see Emma again after the attack.MikeC posted:So like.....5 episodes in.....why the gently caress did they fire the dude running this show again? I thought there was no way they could meet expectations. I was right, the Xmen 97 team blew way past them into the next galaxy. Apparently for conduct issues.
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loving hell this is the best thing marvels made since endgame
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I really do like the new/altered openings each episode. I say altered openings but really, it's just continual subtraction with the exception of Magneto replacing Xavier in EP2. But with a loss each ep, and all the deaths in EP5, who will be left in the opening lineup by Episode 10? I recall reading at least a smattering of dissatisfaction with Episode 3. People felt it rushed way too much and for something that requires a lot of emotional investment, rushing something is the worst thing you can do. Having just finished it, I also felt the opening was way too fast-paced. Over in Comic Book Animation thread, somebody talked about how pre-Unlimited Justice League was almost nothing but two-parters. I loved that. I really do hope '97 is coming out guns blazing to ensure its success and then the next season will be approved for more episodes and so can take its time.
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Magneto was right but he was also a Groomer!
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Scarabrae posted:Magneto was right but he was also a Groomer! Ah, dammit, you broke the seal.
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Scarabrae posted:Magneto was right but he was also a Groomer! Oh god that's why he was friends with Xavier.
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Nightcrawler can replace Gambit I guess. Put Emma and Shaw in charge next I guess.
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There are so many paths and story possibilities that just opened up on X97, my god. I have some outlandish thought in my head that season 2 could be a twist on Schism with Rogue and Storm as the leaders instead of Cyke and Wolvie.
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Here's my thoughts: Magneto is alive. He survived and had Leech turn off his powers, which is why the Tri Sentinel no longer sensed an Omega. He's probably gonna be gone for a while though. Maddie is dead. She got vaporized. Cable couldn't save her. Him showing up means maybe there will be time travel shenanigans and all of this is undone, but I don't think so. Gambit is probably gonna be dead for a while. The X-Men will probably pick up a new member or two, with Nightcrawler and Emma being my guesses.
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Codependent Poster posted:Here's my thoughts: I also think your first theory is probably true
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FlamingLiberal posted:Colossus was also a character that shows up a few times in the original series but never joined the team officially When did they start production on this? Having an amusingly Russian guy hits a bit differently now than in actual 1997
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Magneto and Co. are absolutely dead. You don’t do that episode of story and then immediately undercut it by softening it with “actually it wasn’t so bad.” That’s just your wishful thinking.
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I watched the original series as a kid. I gleaned a lot of X-Men historical info from that and I lived in a rural area with no internet and still came out very knowledgeable about X-Men. This episode provided so much backstory. I could be wrong but I don't think they mentioned Logan being over 100 years old in the OG series but they did today. They combined the storylines of Genosha, Genosha genocide, krakoa, quiet council, Scott's telepathic trysts, Exodus, Glob/pixie/armor/nature girl, the gala, Emma Frost/shaw/Hellfire club, Rogue/Magneto/Joseph/Gambit, light-hearted Kurt and I'm sure a lot more that I missed. If they tried that when I was a kid I would have been overwhelmed. I am an optimistic person when it comes to modern adaptations to things I loved growing up to a fault (looking at you Amazon's Wheel of Time) but X-Men 97 exceeds that expectation. Just like the original series it isn't afraid to deal with complex issues or try to talk down to the audience. With the original, as a grade schooler I understood that these characters had more to them then the 22 minutes the show had allotted to them. But that's what drew me back each week. 97 keeps that tradition alive and doesn't talk down to the audience. These characters have more going on than within the confines of the episode and that's fine. It makes it feel more real. ...or I could be hopelessly optimistic and I'm completely wrong. Either way I'm enjoying this so much
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Soul Glo posted:Magneto and Co. are absolutely dead. You don’t do that episode of story and then immediately undercut it by softening it with “actually it wasn’t so bad.”
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What a loving episode. Never expected this show to be this good after all the animated crap Marvel has put out over the years.Marsupial Ape posted:Rogue straight saying to Gambit your power is to light up anything you touch and my power means I can never feel it is such perfect and obvious squaring of their relationship that I feel stupid for not realizing it 20+ years ago. Embarrassing, like how I didn’t realize that Namor is just Roman backwards until my late 20s. This episode was filled with great lines "Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists." and "Oh, right. You were there.' and of course the last line.
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Soul Glo posted:Magneto and Co. are absolutely dead. You don’t do that episode of story and then immediately undercut it by softening it with “actually it wasn’t so bad.” Putting him with the one mutant that could mask his power signature is a hell of a red herring if so
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Rubber Chicken posted:Putting him with the one mutant that could mask his power signature is a hell of a red herring if so it was so they could break your heart with the “don’t be afraid” as he died protecting the morlocks like, c’mon. that’s good writing. this kind of fan wishing happens anytime a bad thing happens to characters they like. if they immediately roll it back next episode with a “lol actually we’re fine!” how would that NOT cheapen this episode? i’m not saying the season doesn’t end with cable doing timestream shenanigans to unfuck things, but there’s no way they do episode 5 and episode 6 starts with magneto dusting himself off also i would bet good money rogue is in magneto’s place in the opening credits next week Soul Glo fucked around with this message at 05:20 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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I don't disagree really I like a good red herring, personally
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FlamingLiberal posted:This wouldn't even be the first time this show (counting the original series) made it seem like Magneto was dead. I'm not buying it until we see a body. They established early on that that laser beam doesn't leave bodies, just vaporizes you.
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Soul Glo posted:Magneto and Co. are absolutely dead. You don’t do that episode of story and then immediately undercut it by softening it with “actually it wasn’t so bad.” Like, this show couldn't be more clear that it is taking and adapting X-Men stories from the comics to the cartoon and parts of this episode were basically lifted directly from an issue of the Morrison and Quitely run. They even have a perfect reproduction of one of the panels from that comic. If you know what happens from that series then you know that there's a good chance they're going to keep following story beats from it. That's why I think Magneto survived. But he won't be back until next season. The rest of this season is probably going to deal with whoever was behind the attack, and there's a real good possibility that it's Cassandra Nova. Tolerance is Extinction is way too close to E is for Extinction for it to be a coincidence.
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