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Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Brits frantically looking to see if they have chests of opium somewhere.
shocked pikachu face as they realize the US' and their own pharmaceutical companies have used their stockpiles of it on their own population

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dads friend steve
Dec 24, 2004

Spergin Morlock posted:

China can hit mainland US with nuclear tipped missiles. More importantly they can wipe out Guam, Okinawa, Hawaii and all west coast naval installations if push comes to shove. The US is not going to be starving China of resources in the same way they did to Japan lol

I’m certainly no geopolitics understander, but the fact that China is huge and not an island were the first reasons that came to mind why this harebrained scheme would never ever work

e: especially since China has a no-first-strike policy w.r.t. its nukes. But it would be funny to see our rundown rear end navy try to blockade them I guess

dads friend steve has issued a correction as of 22:38 on Apr 9, 2024

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003
We built a lot of our navy during ww2 and people were like, "drat they built a lot of ships."

China has barely gotten started.

mossyfisk
Nov 8, 2010

FF0000

double nine posted:

still don't quite grasp the chinese source - what is the graph supposed to show then? amount of train facilities? Price of a bus stop, or the price of abstracted (combined) public transport? what does "transportation facility" mean??

i'm sure it's a mundane explanation but I'm not grasping the meaning of the actual graph if that's its correct translation

The cost for a consumer to purchase a defined quantity of 'transportation facility' (car, bicycle, motorbike, moped, wagon).

It's basically "car prices", yes.

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

double nine posted:

still don't quite grasp the chinese source - what is the graph supposed to show then? amount of train facilities? Price of a bus stop, or the price of abstracted (combined) public transport? what does "transportation facility" mean??

i'm sure it's a mundane explanation but I'm not grasping the meaning of the actual graph if that's its correct translation

An average slice of how much transportation costs a person in China

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/darrion_nguyen/status/1776809036123672765

quote:

Võ Văn Thưởng, former Vietnamese president who got axed just recently, is the last remnant of the liberal faction under former PM Nguyen Tan Dung. Below was his attempt for historical revisionism during his time as head of “education and propaganda committee” of the Party 🧵


1/ He insists to change the word “nguỵ quân/nguỵ quyền” (puppet army/govt, 伪) to “VNCH” (Army of south VN/Republic of VN) in the name of nation “unity”. It may seems trivial to outsiders, but it has a dire consequences: it legitimates the puppet govt in the south, which lead

..to claim that this is a civil/proxy war, and then the claim that the north “invade” the south (basically similar to narrative on Korea). It serves as [historical apologia] for the US invasion (now just “ally support” while paint the north as “invader” and NLF as “terrorist”..

And this is not even new. Even during Paris neg, the North side insists not to legitimate the southern govt because it is just a prop by the US and fully controlled by them (like UKraine today). Even at the end when they compromise a little, they only said it was a ..

..political force, similar to NLF and the neutral. This is not a one time mistake: VVT wants the term to be enforced through textbook and ALL OTHER media. There is objection from some army general but he silently squashed it. These general met GS Nguyen Phu Trong and got..

Assurance that these term won’t be removed as even Ho Chi Minh used it “đánh cho nguỵ nhào” (fight to topple puppet regime”.

2/ His approval and promotion of the book “Gạc Ma, vòng tròn bất tử”. This book is about the incident on Johnson Reef in 1988, when China Navy open fires on 64 unarm soldiers holding hand to form a circle on the reef, killing them all and take the reef until today..



.While in principle this even is widely known and there is no prohibition to avoid talking about it, this book has major intentional error: the most profound is to claim the VN Navy gave an order “Do not open fire”, while in fact, it was “Do not open fire FIRST”…

This order was given because VN construction force (no proper fighting ship) is no match for circling Chinese gunship, so they were ordered not to fire first to not giving China force any reason to escalate and take all the reef. However, they were allowed to fight back once..

China opened fire, for self defense and protection of the reef. Evidence is after Johnson reef was capture, VN ship HQ505 fight back, and nearly sunk. So they crashed it on Colin reef and make it a fortress to keep the reef until today

The mistake and the book release in 2018 (at the peak of anti-China protest/terrorism activities sponsored by CIA) is not a coincident: it pains the CPV as coward and traitor (not dare to fight - both in 1988 and 2018), and China as aggressor (1988-correct, 2018-not)..

It will fuel anti-China, ultra-nationalist sentiment while at the same time weekend trust on CPV leadership (as you know in our history, ANY figure who did not dare to fight back against China is deemed as traitor, coward and will be forever condemned).

3/ Education and media: under his “leadership”, textbook is privatized, which lead to multiple versions with high price while quality and content erode. He even allows reactionary figure like Nguyen Van Thuyet to be head of textbook (esp history) revision ! He was a member of..


No-U, group promoted by RFA, which trigger frequent anti-China protest, call for multi Party, remove of CPV leadership, depoliticize the Army… basically all the things which lead to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And the media / showbiz becomes a mess. Former revolution paper like Thanh Nien, Tuoi Tre becomes literally mouth-piece of western MSM (by translating literally everything) while celeb can say anything they wants politically.

4/ The combined effects of all these “seemingly trivial changes” is a high rising, artificial Anti-China wave, the rehabilitation of western / US image, society destabilization and trust erosion on CPV. That’s why you see so much report on “VN hates CN loves US” in the MSM..

In a long-term, if it is allowed to develop unchecked, the Soviet Union story will happen to us. That’s why I was very happy when VVt was removed, and the Party has already cracked down on education and media…

Education: investigation starts on the process of making the textbook, and future textbook will be changed


Media: investigation on media which is going to “privatize” (pay to write)


As a results, from 2020-2024, [you] can see that the general public perception on China improves (also helps by booming trade), the “love US” seed paper reduces significantly, stability increases and trust on CPV as well..

This is not the end, as efforts to stir internal terrorism (like Daklak incident last year, sponsored by CIA), or anti-China wave still happen underground. But without top official with is blatantly “liberalized”, I trust that the future will be more bright for Vietnam. End of 🧵

P/s: officially VVT resigned due to corruption of his subordinate when he was still gem sec of Quang Ngai province. He got to the president pos mainly due to “north-middle-south organization” in our top 4 (need a southerner) rather than due to previous achievement

For those who asked for source, here is the article written by General Hoang Kiem, person who oppose this historical revisionism from years ago (in VNese of course)
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10218984783650533&id=1832442440&mibextid=WC7FNe&rdid=wyZoFTtOxlTRNFNr

Spelling corrections mine.

TL;DR the levied accusation of Gorbachev at the now-former Vietnamese president by the Vietnamese generals and other hardliners is a description of what was happening and not hyperbole.

Danann has issued a correction as of 04:29 on Apr 10, 2024

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Wow gently caress that guy

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1777897056902004923

Arnaud is far too charitable in his description of the above. It really sounds more like the Americans were more concerned about staying on Chiang Kai-Shek's good graces rather than examining the validity of the Philippine claim on the Spratlys, and now they're trying to make it sound like the Filipinos were in the right all along because it serves their geopolitical interests.

ModernMajorGeneral
Jun 25, 2010
Not only is China making too much stuff, it also has too much money. Xi is finished

https://www.ft.com/content/cc40794b-abbb-4677-8a2a-4b10b12b6ff5

China’s excess savings are a danger
Beijing must dare to choose radical remedies to deal with them

quote:

China is the global savings superpower. In the past, in a fast-growing economy with superb investment opportunities, its high savings have been a big asset. But they can also cause huge headaches. Today, with the ending of the property boom, managing these savings has become a challenge. The Chinese government must dare to choose relatively radical remedies. According to the IMF, China generated 28 per cent of total global savings in 2023. This is only a little less than the 33 per cent share of the US and EU combined. That is quite extraordinary. It also has several implications. One is that if China were an open market economy, its capital markets would be the biggest in the world. Another is that how these savings are managed is likely to be the most important single determinant of global interest rates and the global balance of payments. I analysed these underlying challenges in a column in September. A recent visit to China confirmed both the significance of this issue and the apparent unwillingness of the government to make decisive shifts in the structure of income and spending. It seems highly likely therefore that China will continue to have an extremely high overall propensity to save. But this is not mainly due to the frugality of Chinese households, as so many assume. Even more important is households’ ultra-low share in national income. In other words, as Michael Pettis of Peking University’s Guanghua School of Management has frequently argued, China’s savings are in large part a distributional issue. That may be why they are hard to reduce and so the savings rate has remained over 40 per cent of gross domestic product.

spoiler: China will deal with having too much money by funding other countries and investing in manufacturing and renewables

quote:

If China wants the mercantilist solution to excess savings it will have to fund smaller emerging and developing countries. It can pretend these are loans. But much of the money will be grants, after the fact. If it ends up funding renewable energy there, that could be good for the world. But, from China’s perspective, it would be a costly gift.

From the economic point of view, a mercantilist solution just will not work. China is far too big to try such a thing. So, again, if the savings rate remains this high, China needs to offset the inevitable decline in the rate of property investment with something else.

What might that be and how might it happen? An obvious and desirable solution, which is in fact already happening, is a huge expansion in investment in renewable energy. The benefits for the global energy transition would be enormous. The question is how large this investment might be and for how long it will last. Another possibility is even higher investment in manufacturing. But that is going to run into the already discussed limits on markets abroad.

As Sherlock Holmes said: “Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.” Given China’s size, stage of development and excessive savings, an essential part of any strategy for macroeconomic stability must be a jump in private and public consumption as shares of GDP. Moreover, given the financial difficulties of local government, this will also mean a bigger role for central government spending.

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

quote:

According to the IMF, China generated 28 per cent of total global savings in 2023. This is only a little less than the 33 per cent share of the US and EU combined.

Extraordinary that 1.4 billion people have almost as big a share of global savings as ~800 million people

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Spending money on what? The Chinese are already buying lots of smartphones and cars, but their prices are dropping because China makes them. A lot of the saving money is reinvested by the state in global south infrastructure thru BRI. Sometimes BRI is limited by how much the global south countries wants to open up to infrastructure development.

I am sure the west wants China 1, open up the financial investment market 2, spend the money on the west as FDI (already being shut down by the west, see kitkot ban and Italy shutting down BRI) 3, buy property in the west? Places like Florida straight up ban it, 4, buy more Gucci bags and Rolex? Yeah Chinese middle class already brought them

Don't blame the Chinese for not spending the money.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I mean past a certain point why not just reduce the hours people work if every need is catered for and all the stuff has been acquired.

It'd be great if China could produce widespread clean energy for itself and sell it at a discount to SEAN places. Stopping deforestation and rebuilding a load of different things.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Not only is China making too much stuff, it also has too much money. Xi is finished

https://www.ft.com/content/cc40794b-abbb-4677-8a2a-4b10b12b6ff5

China’s excess savings are a danger
Beijing must dare to choose radical remedies to deal with them

spoiler: China will deal with having too much money by funding other countries and investing in manufacturing and renewables

guy who thinks dengism is mercantilist

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

stephenthinkpad posted:

This is :wtf: times 100. I am surprised it hasn't been made into a dystopian movie yet. Just every labor job you interact with is a Boston Dynamic robot with a global south face on the screen.

a movie where the male protag gets a crush on a remote cashier who gets Taken and he goes on a action-packed quest to save her by following furtive video messages only to discover at the end that she lives across the pacific.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Zodium posted:

guy who thinks dengism is mercantilist

We did this in 2008 already. Somehow China's savings-glut caused our real-estate bubble. Wild times

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

crepeface posted:

a movie where the male protag gets a crush on a remote cashier who gets Taken and he goes on a action-packed quest to save her by following furtive video messages only to discover at the end that she lives across the pacific.

He has a very specific set of skills but all of them are outdated and none of them include basic IT.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

remember that episode of king of the hill when bill fell in love with a remote drive thru attendant and drove all night to the call center but it turned out to be a teenager?

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer
The exit polls in Korea show a potential blowout for the democratic party.


quote:

According to the exit polls released immediately after the polls closed at 5 p.m. local time, the Democratic Party 민주당 and the liberal bloc are headed to an overwhelming victory in the 2024 General Election 총선.

Exit poll by the three major television stations - KBS, MBC and SBS - predicted the Democrats winning between 183 to 197 seats, potentially crossing over the 200-seat supermajority line when combined with minor liberal parties such as the Rebuilding Korea Party 조국혁신당, which is expected to win between 12 to 14 seats.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

double nine posted:

still don't quite grasp the chinese source - what is the graph supposed to show then? amount of train facilities? Price of a bus stop, or the price of abstracted (combined) public transport? what does "transportation facility" mean??

i'm sure it's a mundane explanation but I'm not grasping the meaning of the actual graph if that's its correct translation

according to the linked consumer survey methodology, Transportation is the following subcategories:

A) Walking
B) bicycles, electric bicycles, tricycles, motorcycles, mopeds for the disabled, etc
C) public transportation: buses, subways, airplanes, trains and other public transportation
D) car: including private cars, public cars and taxis.
E) other motor vehicles: including various types of commercial vehicles and agricultural vehicles.
F) Riding cattle, horse-drawn carriages and other animal-drawn vehicles: means of transportation using cattle-drawn carriages, horse-drawn carriages and other animal-drawn vehicles as means of transportation, including self-driving or taking such means of transportation
G) other modes of transportation other than the above

But it's unclear to me if the linked survey is a part of the CPI instrument itself

tractor fanatic
Sep 9, 2005

Pillbug

Can you help clear up my understanding of the SCS disputes? My understanding of the basis of the claims is,

PRC/ROC: These Ming dynasty scrolls show these islands have been used by Chinese fisherman since historic times so the islands are Chinese
Vietnam: The French claimed these islands and then gave them to us, so they are Vietnamese
Malaysia/Brunei: No one owns these islands, so they are just part of our EEZ by UNCLOS
Philippines: No one owned these islands in the past, so we claim them as part of Philippines

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I think UNCLOS doesn't cover any ongoing claim disputes, that's how it got supported from most countries in the first place. And it's the only kind of "ocean rule" that gets support, not counting the US.

So basically ocean property disputes are like the wild west, countries will claim whatever they want, but only rarely countries fight hot wars over it. There were a couple incidents in SCS. Claims in the arctic and antarctic are even more wild west. Countries barely recognize each other's claims.

These disputes will happen again on the moon too.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Gildiss posted:

The exit polls in Korea show a potential blowout for the democratic party.

thanks GIldiss for keeping the thread current on the goings-on in SK.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

So are you going to lock him up(as is the custom in SK)

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
the guy in the blue house posted cringe.

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

gradenko_2000 posted:

thanks GIldiss for keeping the thread current on the goings-on in SK.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Zodium posted:

guy who thinks dengism is mercantilist

overcapacity means "China has a more productive and efficient manufacturing system and we can't compete :qq:" and also people are supposed to be poor they arent supposed to afford all this stuff! How are they going to pay our usurious credit card/mortgage/student loans with all these cheap goods?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I do hope this means a reduction in time required to work in China and an increase in taking more things back into public ownership, followed up by a less working time and even better renewable energy infrastructure.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1778084456072380841


quote:

Vietnam aims to start work on high-speed rail lines to China by 2030
By Reuters
April 9, 20249:14 PM PDTUpdated 16 hours ago

HANOI, April 10 (Reuters) - Vietnam aims to start building two high-speed railway lines linking its capital Hanoi with China before 2030, the Ministry of Planning and Investment said, another sign of a recent warming of ties between the two Communist-ruled neighbours.

China is Vietnam's largest trading partner and a vital source of imports for its manufacturing sector. The two countries are already connected via a system of highways and two railway lines that are old and need upgrading on the Vietnam side.

One of the planned high-speed lines would run from Vietnam's port cities of Haiphong and Quang Ninh through Hanoi to Lao Cai province, which borders China's Yunan province, the ministry said in a statement released late on Tuesday.

The other would run from Hanoi to Lang Son province, which borders China's Guangxi region, passing through an area densely populated with global manufacturing facilities, including some owned by Chinese investors.

The ministry didn't provide further details about the projects.

Earlier this month, Vietnam said it was seeking to learn from China to develop its first high-speed railway network and had sent its officials to work with Chinese railway companies.

A massive high-speed railway line linking capital Hanoi with business hub Ho Chi Minh City is also being planned in the country.
Vietnam's National Assembly chairman Vuong Dinh Hue met executives of Chinese railway companies on Monday during his ongoing visit to Beijing, where he was hosted by Xi Jinping.

This came after Vietnam and China signed dozens of cooperation agreements, including on railways, during a visit to Hanoi by Chinese President Xi Jinping in December.

Trade between Vietnam and China in the first quarter of this year rose 22% from a year earlier to $43.6 billion, according to Vietnamese government data.

The two countries remain embroiled in a years-long maritime dispute in the South China Sea, though the tensions appear to have calmed recently.

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Reporting by Khanh Vu; Editing by John Mair

Vietnam's going to have HSR with China before California gets HSR.

Marzzle
Dec 1, 2004

Bursting with flavor

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/snekotron/status/1778084456072380841

Vietnam's going to have HSR with China before California gets HSR.

california is a 2nd world country

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

didn’t they have a project with Japan that the Japanese completely hosed up on

Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat

FrancisFukyomama posted:

didn’t they have a project with Japan that the Japanese completely hosed up on

California is getting rolling stock from European manufacturers, iirc. Texas was working with Japanese. No idea if the latter has been "hosed up" by the Japanese.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Corky Romanovsky posted:

California is getting rolling stock from European manufacturers, iirc. Texas was working with Japanese. No idea if the latter has been "hosed up" by the Japanese.

Don't think the rolling stock was ever the problem.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Every country that tried to use Japan HSR tech failed. India, Vietnam, Thailand (western line).

I haven't heard of this Texas HSR but the only successful HSR in the US are privately operated projects in Florida and Vegas, running at barely fast enough to be HSR speed.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

too big
https://twitter.com/BTnewsroom/status/1777781474730684755

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

China [has] grow[n] larger

Gildiss
Aug 24, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

please… anything but the artificially cheap products

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




It's fascinating watching them scold China for being too successful in the "wrong" way, especially with green tech.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

a truly free market would have properly more expensive commodities

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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

comedyblissoption posted:

a truly free market would have properly more expensive commodities

what's a truly free market even?

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