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Qubee posted:And to make sure I understood it right, once Paul and the Fremen teamed up, they started wreaking havoc on Hark's spice harvesting operations, because of Paul's knowledge of how Hark's operate? Whereas before this teaming up, the Fremen weren't able to inflict this level of disruption on the harvesting capability? quote:I loving loved this movie drat I want to rewatch it.
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DTurtle posted:I’ve watched it three times and enjoyed it more each time. Very few movies achieve that. at least for me, this is the case with all my favorite movies. this one is no exception, and I already loved it on the first viewing
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I just watched it last night (released late here) and goddamn what a movie. Goddamnnnnn
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Doltos posted:Same. Visually stunning, beautiful set design and costume design, terrible choice of actors for a variety of parts. Ok I will say as much as I loved this movie 1. They made Stilgar a bit of a joke. Like he’s comic relief by the end 2. Zendaya just sounding like a modern American teen took me out of her scenes so much
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how is stilgar comic relief?
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Of course Paul provides valuable inside knowledge of how to disrupt spice harvesting, he's literally just been on the other side of the equation as his father has a headache over how to unfuck the mess the Harkonnens left for them. He just has to think about what would have been most inconvenient for him if he had remained.
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I want more Geidi Prime, that whole sequence was the best bit of the movie - so much so that everything that happened after actually felt a little underwhelming.
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Tankbuster posted:how is stilgar comic relief? He’s the funniest part of the movie. *paul trips over a rock but catches himself* AS WRITTEN!!!’
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Tankbuster posted:how is stilgar comic relief? Dude literally played out a Life of Brian bit in the movie.
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Yeah, how can you not recognize that he’s the comic relief? I think it works for the film, but that’s absolutely his role.
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I think it's just differing definitions of "comic relief" Some people might take that to mean "one dimensional character there to go "drat that's crazy" and be goofy". It's clear that Stilgar has a couple of moments that are there to make the audience chuckle (in both movies), and the smash-cut edit in DUNC2 is there to emphasise that. But he's also a much deeper character and a great performance so I can understand people balking at that descriptor. Lisan al-Ghaib!
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He has some of the few jokes in a movie thats mostly deadly serious so yeah a little bit of comic relief, but they're near the middle not the end though.Ramrod Hotshot posted:https://twitter.com/Thatoneguy64/status/1769145447254311408 Walken was fine, his performance fit the Emperor as a character as just a guy who's extremely Done. Literally the first thing his character does on screen is disappoint his daughter by being passive. massive spider fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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I didn't mind the Stilgar bits, they weren't over the top or anything, but could have lived with a different take on the character too. Totally agree that Zendaya's accent feels like it's from another film altogether.
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I didn't view Stilgar as comic relief, I just viewed him as a typical loony fanatic. The ending scene in the fundamentalist temple, was Paul scrying into the past and saying information that he should not have been aware of? Like that guy who wanted to fight him, how his grandma got hit in the eyeball with a rock and lost her eyesight?
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Qubee posted:I didn't view Stilgar as comic relief, I just viewed him as a typical loony fanatic.
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I mean Javier Bardem is a hilarious actor also, just doesn’t get much chance to show it. He was very funny but I felt like it undermined the gravitas he had a bit, he does come off as “loony fanatic” or funny guy but he’s also capably leading a band of people living in literal hellSimply Simon posted:Drinking the water of life unlocks the memories of past lives, as they told Jessica when she took it - she'd get the info of all Reverend Mothers before her. Paul also did, and so he knew about the grandma. Also (and part of the reason they call him abomination) he gets memories of both men and women, which nobody alive has ever done before. It’s part of the whole breeding project bloodline thing
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I mean Javier Bardem is a hilarious actor also, just doesn’t get much chance to show it. He was very funny but I felt like it undermined the gravitas he had a bit, he does come off as “loony fanatic” or funny guy but he’s also capably leading a band of people living in literal hell 2) I wanted to stick to book info so I didn't mention that - I don't think the film gives us the "men too" info?
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stilgar is morpheus to paul's neo. His comic moments at being a grumpy old man is secondary to that. Paul learning to ride the worm starts to make him believe and everything after the fight at sietch tabr is him being rewarded for his faith. The movie literally ends with him leading the way to paradise.THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I mean Javier Bardem is a hilarious actor also, just doesn’t get much chance to show it. He was very funny but I felt like it undermined the gravitas he had a bit, he does come off as “loony fanatic” or funny guy but he’s also capably leading a band of people living in literal hell He gets raptured at the end.
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If you look at Stilgar's journey from Dunc 1 to the end of Dunc 2, then he starts as a super serious, bad rear end Fremen who takes no nonsense from anyone, to someone who is somewhat skeptical of Paul, to someone who starts to believe, to someone who wants to believe, to someone who needs to believe, to someone who believes and then starts to see all the prophecies come true and becomes a fanatic true believer. Just imagine what it would be like if Jesus really came back to Earth and started building up his 1000 year reign on Earth (please ignore if that is true to the Bible, there are people who believe it). How do you think people who believe that would react? That is what Stilgar's journey with regards to Paul represents. And they manage to make it parts of that journey funny. And then start driving home the consequences of that belief. It was amazing to see the reaction of most everyone watching the end of the movie. How quickly the mood shifted in the theater from triumphant elation over Paul defeating Feyd-Rautha, to the stunned reaction to Paul marrying Irulan and starting the Holy War. It feels a bit like the "Are we the baddies?" skit. You can really see and feel the gears in the heads of the audience turning trying to work in what happened in those last few minutes. It's such an insanely well done shift in the mood. Qubee posted:The ending scene in the fundamentalist temple, was Paul scrying into the past and saying information that he should not have been aware of? Like that guy who wanted to fight him, how his grandma got hit in the eyeball with a rock and lost her eyesight? DTurtle fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Apr 11, 2024 |
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it could be ancestral knowledge or mind reading (both of which jessica is demonstrated to have access to), but paul can also see the future. so it's possible he just said the combination of words which would lead to those dudes bowing to him. the powers granted by spice/water of life are deliberately ill-defined, even moreso in the films than the books. it's one of the things that works to make paul/jessica seem more alien and sinister. audiences have been conditioned by the likes of star wars for the fantasy/sci-fi characters to have cool, well-defined super powers to support their characterization as the hero. the subversion in dunc is that you don't really know what paul is capable of.
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DTurtle posted:It's such an insanely well done shift in the mood. Everything from feyd dying to the ships blasting off is such a great build up. "Send them to paradise" is pretty metal.
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kalel posted:it could be ancestral knowledge or mind reading (both of which jessica is demonstrated to have access to), but paul can also see the future. so it's possible he just said the combination of words which would lead to those dudes bowing to him. It must be a living hell to occupy the present moment in such a condition. you have an immense library of knowledge that enables you to extrapolate anything, but you also don't really need to do that because you also have access to any possible future where you might have to make use of that knowledge, so you know a thing from two directions.
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Simply Simon posted:1) I think him being super affable and funny (both deliberately - with the scorpion joke - and unintentionally) was a great setup for him being deadly serious about wanting Paul to kill him and then leading fanatics into a genocide later. I think there's lots of people irl who would go "lol at their kooky rituals" about actual fanatics and then go "oh" when said fanatics overthrow a regime and murder thousands, which has happened quite often. I see this similar to how Paul is set up like a typical young hero and then turns out to be Absolutely Not That It shows the faces of men which I suppose could be inferred a bit, but yeah they don’t say it explicitly. We don’t know if the memory of Harkonnen is from the baron or Jessica
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Morpheus believes neo is the one but he also tries to bring it out of him so he himself can believe it. “He’s beginning to believe” Where’s Stilgar is on that hype train and don’t give a poo poo. “Ah im not the mahdi.” “Ahh just what the mahdi would say! As written!!!!” It’s hilarious
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Lol that apparently Bene Gesserit training explicitly includes 'how to turn your wimpy son into a warlord with one weird trick, this prophecy we prepared earlier'
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I cracked up when he said the "small centipedes" were dangerous and held his hands two feet apart, and when he cruised by on the worm yelling. love my Stilgar
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Simply Simon posted:1) I think him being super affable and funny (both deliberately - with the scorpion joke - and unintentionally) was a great setup for him being deadly serious about wanting Paul to kill him and then leading fanatics into a genocide later. I think there's lots of people irl who would go "lol at their kooky rituals" about actual fanatics and then go "oh" when said fanatics overthrow a regime and murder thousands, which has happened quite often. I see this similar to how Paul is set up like a typical young hero and then turns out to be Absolutely Not That This version of stilgar also sets up either Paul Atreides or Alia complaining about Stilgar becoming a creature of Muad'dib, a religious true believer through and through (in dune Messiah i think?)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Lol that apparently Bene Gesserit training explicitly includes 'how to turn your wimpy son into a warlord with one weird trick, this prophecy we prepared earlier' Helps if theyve been trained in leadership since birth, are human supercomputers, BJJ masters, and the product of millenia of inbreeding to produce psychic powers
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I've never read the books but I remember stumbling across the fact that Paul eventually becomes an inhuman blob-like creature, I wonder how the movies are gonna handle that
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Qubee posted:I've never read the books but I remember stumbling across the fact that Paul eventually becomes an inhuman blob-like creature, I wonder how the movies are gonna handle that that’s book 4, messiah is book 2 and that’s not paul.
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Leto II Did Nothing Wrong
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Internet Savant posted:This version of stilgar also sets up either Paul Atreides or Alia complaining about Stilgar becoming a creature of Muad'dib, a religious true believer through and through (in dune Messiah i think?)
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John DiFool posted:Leto II Did Nothing Wrong That's right
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I appreciate that Stilgar is funny because he is a funny person and not because he's doing quips and waggling his eyebrows at the camera.
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Ramrod Hotshot posted:Supposedly the IMAX screenings are extended starting April 19? But there's no theaters around me that have it I think it's limited to the top 20 cities based on the number of screenings or revenue during the initial run?
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distortion park posted:I didn't mind the Stilgar bits, they weren't over the top or anything, but could have lived with a different take on the character too. Totally agree that Zendaya's accent feels like it's from another film altogether. Yeah I don't think Zendaya is a bad actress it's just that there were multiple moments in that film where it felt like the characters were talking in accents you'd hear in present day rather than some far flung future desert planet. Same with Florence Pugh. I also don't think Chalamet's smoldering, quiet delivery that he does in most films works as a warleader. When he was trying to put edge in his voice for the big Fremen meet up it sounded like Christian Bale doing his angry batman voice.
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Zendaya is a good movie star and a poor actress
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Monica Bellucci posted:The Holy War is happening whether he wants it or not. Eh I dunno about that, he could have the guild keep them on arrakis and rule from Caladan if he wanted to
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Blood Boils posted:Eh I dunno about that, he could have the guild keep them on arrakis and rule from Caladan if he wanted to
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