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I am glad that there are a lot of supportive people in the thread. Does anyone know what we can do in practicalities to help people suffering from this, is their a pressure group or organisation specifically helping out or setting up opposition to this poo poo?

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:34

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# ? May 26, 2024 17:57

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

Jakabite posted:

Hi mfcrocker! I hope you come back more permanently, I remember always enjoying your posts when you were in here more regularly.

Hey thanks! It's pretty unlikely given we're about to replace one transphobic government with another, but I pop in from time to time

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:34

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Ok. So no posts then. Just a general vibe

I'm a loving moron for engaging with this, but look, if a dozen trans people are telling you that he's being transphobic then maybe before you wade in with a "well actually..." maybe consider that they know more on the issue because they have to? Because it's not you or me whose right to exist is being questioned.

And failing an ability to consider that, just go away. Either you're a WUM trying to get a reaction from people who face threats of violence and harassment for simply daring to be themselves, in which case you are scum, or you're a cretin who refuses to learn. And it's tedious trying to have a conversation with someone who refuses to learn or even just see things from somebody else's perspective.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:35

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Nuclear Spoon posted:

Report from my first Unison conference - actually really interesting and engaging for me as a visitor! Some branches, especially those in Northern Ireland, have achived great things. It makes me want to do a better job in my branch, which I have wanted to do ever since I joined a couple years ago but being mental/disorganised/stressed makes that difficult.

What I didn't know until the first day was that Wes Streeting was originally invited to do a speech on the second day. What I also soon found out was that he had pulled out due to a "diary clash". There were a couple of (very brave imo) trans women who went up to give speeches in front of the conference publicly excoriating him for his public statements (and to a lesser extent the Unison service group which invited him). Additionally, multiple speakers emphasised that under no illusions would a Labour government would automatically mean more funding and better conditions for NHS workers (again, the McShitter was named and shamed here), so it's nice to know complacency is not encouraged in that regard. All these positions were very well received by the delegation. It was really nice seeing so many openly gender non-conforming members being present and heard with no issue. The gensec Christine McAnea also explicitly named transphobia as something Unison stood against (though we know talk is cheap, obviously).

I attended an event talking about administrators' role in digitalisation - i.e. is someone like me actually going to get a fiddle with a new Hospital Information System before some Band 9000 dickhead decides to sign off on buying it for a hundred million or whatever. Obviously user interfaces are one thing, but I did enquire as to how feasible it would be to have a team of national/regional Unison people who have some technical expertise and could actually sit in on the procurement process. I spoke to multiple people involved with such things, with me asking "I get the feeling it's decided by whoever shows the shiniest powerpoint and picks the nicest restaurant" and them responding "well, it's not SUPPOSED to, but also. yeah. that does happen a lot."

You can read some of the research here - it compared the UK and Norway, in health, banking, retail and food/drink processing industries. There are short summaries for full papers. I haven't looked closely yet, myself.
https://udig.powi.dmu.ac.uk/

Unison have also launched something called the "Admin Charter" with the intent of getting NHS Trusts to sign, which among other things asks them to commit to giving admin clear career progression (about half surveyed don't have a personal development plan!) and consulting them before implementing new technical changes. Personally, I feel the level of first-line tech support we have to do means we should be given clearer pathways into fields like software engineering or something.

There was a guest speech by Richard Pyle from Medical Aid for Palestine. I'll admit I've sort of tried to avoid reading about the specific horrors suffered by people in Gaza - hearing his report about what was happening down there right now, the unbelievable pain and loss and trauma.... you could feel it grip the soul of everyone in the auditorium. Unforgiveable atrocities and cowardice from everyone who's enabled it. There was a specific motion about healthcare workers in Palestine which the Standing Order Committee ruled out of order (for vague reasons) - this did not stop people discussing it in other motions, however.

I attended a racial bullying & harassment workshop which was actually run by a couple of Unison members in a neighbouring Trust who I intend to contact about how they run their whole joint (because we really aren't running poo poo right now lol). They'd achieved great things iin terms of accountability processes which was helped by them having the ear of certain directors and HR figures. Unfortunately my Trust does not have a functioning HR department lol.

The workshop also featured a very humble gentleman from a Scottish Trust, who opened by saying a couple years ago he would have thought UK racism was primarily an English problem, and that Scotland was more progressive than that, before his experience in the last two years disabused him of this notion. It seems to be a complete loving wild west out there in terms of companies getting license to recruit healthcare workers from abroad, and multiple situations where they arrive in the UK after great personal expense, only to be told that they do not have a job. The precarity that migrant workers are subjected to is oft-spoken of, but to hear the examples of racism, callousness, neglect was stomach-churning. The man look fairly loving drained just by talking about it and I have a great deal of respect for him. He had apparently become The Go-To Guy for migrant workers in his region with issues, despite he himself saying he does not feel he has the expertise to do so, and that he often feels out of his depth, though he forges on regardless. Audience members rightfully asked why aren't Unison building a regional team about this, but I don't recall any clear answers about that. I hope he and everyone he's been supporting do get more resources.

Also during the party (which was mid but I had a great time hitting a bar with some gay lads after - made a strong case for me going to the LGBT conference in November) I briefly was introduced to Sara Gorton, the lead negotiator for the recent paydeal, because my branch secretary happened to know her from way back lol. I did not say much (primarily because I was pished).

If you're even sort of active in your union branch, and you have the opportunity to go to a conference, I would really recommend it regardless of how you actually feel about your union as a whole. It's very affirming as a leftist to be surrounded by people who are eager to affect change in their workplaces and indeed the country as a whole. I don't consider myself the most social of people, but I felt relatively at ease striking up conversations with random people just by being in the same room as them.

Anyway! Sorry if this much-longer-than-intended wall of text has errors or typos in it but I am nursing a mild hangover. I'm sure there's something I forgot to add. Feel free to ask me any questions!

but finally, and most importantly: Bagelman in Brighton is so loving good dude. A++++ gluten-free bagel which they prepared in a separate area for me. It made me say "gently caress" in front of children in the shop.

On a more positive note, I'd like to say I really enjoyed this post. It was encouraging.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:36

PriorMarcus: Oct 17, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Nuclear Spoon posted:

Report from my first Unison conference...

This was a great post. Enjoyed it immensely despite all the other poo poo in this thread when I logged on this morning.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:42

Honest Davion: Jul 25, 2006; I buy Joel Nerf Guns

mfcrocker posted:

It's tough, but it's always useful to remember that the actual TERF population is pretty drat low. It's just that a bunch of them happen to have national newspaper columns, or are editors of said newspapers.

Proper TERFs absolutely, but it keeps making national news so much it seems that little bits of it just seep into more people's brains it seems from what I've seen. Probably a bit of culture war bullshit mixed in as well, so I just seem to find more and more people that seems to have picked up the whole "Why do they have to keep pushing this into everything?" line which makes them just vaguely negative to various LGBTQ groups, and I just wanna shake them and scream "Because if you can just consider it normal you wouldn't think it was being pushed!"

It all feels very exhausting, but also seems a bit silly that I feel that way considering I'm not the one personally affected by it.

forkboy84 posted:

I'm a loving moron for engaging with this, but look, if a dozen trans people are telling you that he's being transphobic then maybe before you wade in with a "well actually..." maybe consider that they know more on the issue because they have to? Because it's not you or me whose right to exist is being questioned.

Absolutely this, when a whole thread, full of people personally affected by what that turd says, turns on you for a dumbass post, use some loving introspection.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:46

Starbucks: Jul 7, 2002; Your daily cup of fuck you.

I just hope that at some point we will have Rosena Allin-Khan as health secretary. Hey someone brought up that Unison post thing.

As a Band 9000 type when it comes to IT procurement some parts can be quite rigid, and it depends on how you score things in order to get a good response. I personally like to dip costs to quite a low scoring and quality / functional fit higher with the ability to trial systems without contractual onboarding.

Crown Commercial procurement is a bitch but if you do need some assistance on anything give me a yell on PM and can share a couple of things.

I would like to get more involved in union stuff but feel not my place so vibe along unless it�s done thing I can help with.

Starbucks fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Apr 11, 2024

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:46

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forkboy84 posted:

if a dozen trans people are telling you that he's being transphobic then maybe before you wade in with a "well actually..." maybe consider that they know more on the issue because they have to?

Skinner meme: no, it's the trans goons who are wrong

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:47

Isomermaid: Dec 3, 2019; Swish swish, like a fish

Josef bugman posted:

I am glad that there are a lot of supportive people in the thread. Does anyone know what we can do in practicalities to help people suffering from this, is their a pressure group or organisation specifically helping out or setting up opposition to this poo poo?

Off the top of my head and things that aren't like "your local queer bookshop probably has a bunch of stuff", Good Law Project amongst other things does some good work trying to challenge the legal/political system. As does Gendered Intelligence.

And if your access to healthcare has been shut off, hrtcafe.net exists

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:47

HopperUK: Apr 29, 2007; Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?

Jesus Christ I recommended ignore because people were vocally distressed at having to read his continual posting, as a stopgap measure. I also put in a report last night where I asked the D&D mods to do something about the situation and I *also* argued with 99 in the thread and shouted down his poo poo to the best of my ability. Reacting to me as if I just came in and went 'ignore the bully and he will go away' and then swanned off is kind of upsetting tbh.

As others pointed out I don't have mod powers in this subforum and I don't have a history of going 'just ignore them lol' when it comes to this sort of thing.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:47

notaspy: Mar 22, 2009

Trying posted:

the uk is old. very old. it explains much

Not as true as it once was, at the next election Millennials will hold sway.

Our reign of terror begins now.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:48

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

HopperUK posted:

Jesus Christ I recommended ignore because people were vocally distressed at having to read his continual posting, as a stopgap measure. I also put in a report last night where I asked the D&D mods to do something about the situation and I *also* argued with 99 in the thread and shouted down his poo poo to the best of my ability. Reacting to me as if I just came in and went 'ignore the bully and he will go away' and then swanned off is kind of upsetting tbh.

As others pointed out I don't have mod powers in this subforum and I don't have a history of going 'just ignore them lol' when it comes to this sort of thing.

Yeah that's fair and entirely my bad

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:50

Trying: Sep 26, 2019

notaspy posted:

Not as true as it once was, at the next election Millennials will hold sway.

Our reign of terror begins now.

I have unfortunate news about how old early millennials are now

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:53

Trying: Sep 26, 2019

Trying posted:

I have unfortunate news about how old early millennials are now

turn on my monitor

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:54

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

notaspy posted:

Not as true as it once was, at the next election Millennials will hold sway.

Our reign of terror begins now.

The Forced Feminisation will commence with haste.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:54

Honest Davion: Jul 25, 2006; I buy Joel Nerf Guns

HopperUK posted:

Jesus Christ I recommended ignore because people were vocally distressed at having to read his continual posting, as a stopgap measure. I also put in a report last night where I asked the D&D mods to do something about the situation and I *also* argued with 99 in the thread and shouted down his poo poo to the best of my ability. Reacting to me as if I just came in and went 'ignore the bully and he will go away' and then swanned off is kind of upsetting tbh.

As others pointed out I don't have mod powers in this subforum and I don't have a history of going 'just ignore them lol' when it comes to this sort of thing.

I think you're ok Hopper, thread just running hot probably! Let's all just agree that the only good thing about this whole thing is some lurkers coming out of the woodwork because we support our trans brothers and sisters.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:55

Chubby Henparty: Aug 13, 2007

Josef bugman posted:

I am glad that there are a lot of supportive people in the thread. Does anyone know what we can do in practicalities to help people suffering from this, is their a pressure group or organisation specifically helping out or setting up opposition to this poo poo?

Just posting to add solidarity, and while this probably isn't the right post to piggyback off of, the goon fund is out there giving support to all who need it, but it needs everyone's support to keep doing so.

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# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:56

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Right hopefully that will make the thread a bit more readable for the next six hours, if I can do it unilaterally I want this to be a formal threadban. I'm working in an asbestos enclosure soon so won't be available for a little while.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:58

kecske: Feb 28, 2011; it's round, like always

Trying posted:

I have unfortunate news about how old early millennials are now

I work in the trades and basically everyone I interact with in the industry in the elder millennial bracket is all-in on rishi's wild ride

# ? Apr 11, 2024 11:58

Jaeluni Asjil: Apr 18, 2018; Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

kecske posted:

I work in the trades and basically everyone I interact with in the industry in the elder millennial bracket is all-in on rishi's wild ride

So many people I know still think Millenials are 18-25 yo.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:01

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

I'm working in an asbestos enclosure soon so won't be available for a little while.

nice try bicth but that won't stop me from flaming you

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:02

Paladinus: Jan 11, 2014; heyHEYYYY!!!

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Why not?

Like I don't think that should be necessary anyway.

Have you considered not being 'an idiot troll oval office'?

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:02

Failed Imagineer: Sep 22, 2018

OwlFancier posted:

Right hopefully that will make the thread a bit more readable for the next six hours, if I can do it unilaterally I want this to be a formal threadban. I'm working in an asbestos enclosure soon so won't be available for a little while.

Hopefully you will be sufficiently insulated from the hot takes itt

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:02

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

OwlFancier posted:

Right hopefully that will make the thread a bit more readable for the next six hours, if I can do it unilaterally I want this to be a formal threadban. I'm working in an asbestos enclosure soon so won't be available for a little while.

I mean, if it's like the mods are saying and IKs are the law of the land then yeah, I think you basically can do this unilaterally

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:04

kecske: Feb 28, 2011; it's round, like always

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

So many people I know still think Millenials are 18-25 yo.

everyone under 40 falls under the umbrella of 'this new generation'

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:07

keep punching joe: Jan 22, 2006; Die Satan!

Lurkers, rise up, post more.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:11

Trying: Sep 26, 2019

I stay the same age, they just keep making larger children

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:11

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

kecske posted:

everyone under 40 falls under the umbrella of 'this new generation'

drat, only a few more months until I leave the new generation

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:11

DreddyMatt: Nov 25, 2002; MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF CURRENT EVENTS IS EXCEEDED ONLY BY MY UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR PISS. FUK U AMERIKKKA!!

Thread having a normal one today.
Solidarity with our trans brothers and sisters, but I don't think getting mad at nj for posting about an interview is the right answer.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:12

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

DreddyMatt posted:

Thread having a normal one today.
Solidarity with our trans brothers and sisters, but I don't think getting mad at nj for posting about an interview is the right answer.

Solidarity probably doesn't look like telling your trans siblings whether to get mad or not

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:13

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

DreddyMatt posted:

Thread having a normal one today.
Solidarity with our trans brothers and sisters, but I don't think getting mad at nj for posting about an interview is the right answer.

Lmao solidarity with those being oppressed but like, also get hosed?

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:14

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

mfcrocker posted:

I mean, if it's like the mods are saying and IKs are the law of the land then yeah, I think you basically can do this unilaterally

njan9 relegated to furiously posting in the hours while owl is asleep before the probe hammer comes down again

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:15

Trying: Sep 26, 2019

young adults are legitimately terrifyingly tall now, nutrition science has marched on to the point where I am now in effect one of those tiny weatherbeaten factory workers from the Victorian age, it�s cool

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:15

DreddyMatt: Nov 25, 2002; MY LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF CURRENT EVENTS IS EXCEEDED ONLY BY MY UNQUENCHABLE THIRST FOR PISS. FUK U AMERIKKKA!!

mfcrocker posted:

Solidarity probably doesn't look like telling your trans siblings whether to get mad or not

Sorry, maybe I missed something. I thought it was Wes streeting being interviewed by Harry Cole, I didn't realise it was forums poster njan.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:19

mfcrocker: Jan 31, 2004; Hot Rope Guy

DreddyMatt posted:

Sorry, maybe I missed something. I thought it was Wes streeting being interviewed by Harry Cole, I didn't realise it was forums pretty njan.

You might have missed it with your poor reading comprehension, but people are plenty mad at Wes Streeting. They're also mad at people trying to downplay the transphobia of Wes Streeting.

tldr gently caress off out of here too

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:21

Honest Davion: Jul 25, 2006; I buy Joel Nerf Guns

keep punching joe posted:

Lurkers, rise up, post more.

No, I will never post!

DreddyMatt posted:

Thread having a normal one today.
Solidarity with our trans brothers and sisters, but I don't think getting mad at nj for posting about an interview is the right answer.

lmao if you're gonna go with 99 was just 'posting about an interview'

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:22

dadrips: Jan 8, 2010; everything you do is a balloon; College Slice

forkboy84 posted:

Then, now, forever

https://x.com/CraigTheTrain/status/1778143899980042496

Jim Murphy was also NUS leader before becoming an MP, so it's got an established track record of producing some absolutely cracking Labour politicians

For those who don't remember - Jim Murphy was Scottish Labour leader for a total of six months before leading them into their electoral wipeout of 2015. He's also notable for being involved with the Henry Jackson Society who are a bunch of right wing yank nutters who want to nuke the middle east

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:23

Richybird: Apr 12, 2007; hi im rich

Dreddymatt can go gently caress themselves also

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:26

Angepain: Jul 13, 2012; what keeps happening to my clothes

Tesseraction posted:

njan9 relegated to furiously posting in the hours while owl is asleep before the probe hammer comes down again

reaching a mutual agreement with the IKs of auspol to ensure round-the-clock 6ers of each others trolls. this wouldn't have been possible before brexit

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:28

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# ? May 26, 2024 17:57

ChickenDoodle: Oct 22, 2020

Wanted to drop in again and say thank you to everyone who gave me advice last month. I�ve got my uncle�s possessions now, including the family violin. My mum and I appreciate it.

Now to go get lost in Manchester for another two days.

# ? Apr 11, 2024 12:28

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