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koolkal posted:Is this really the best analogy you could come up with? When you blow up the other teams construction yard in Comand and Conquer, like it's just a matter of time until the other teams base collapses!!!
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koolkal posted:Is this really the best analogy you could come up with? No, its an off the cuff remark for people who are going around saying "Todd howard personally killed Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas with his bare hands."
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Tankbuster posted:No, its an off the cuff remark for people who are going around saying "Todd howard personally killed Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas with his bare hands." You need to stop using Twitter dude
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I just want to see what people thought of the show. All I am getting is "NCRBROS, GODD HAS BANISHED US INTO THE MOJAVE"
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Tankbuster posted:shady sands was adobe huts. Junktown was people living in scrap metal sheets. 100 years after the bombs dropped. Adobe huts made sense. Hell I'd love Adobe huts in this show. It just sucks 200+ years later and we're back at scrap metal sheets from just 100 years in the future from fallout 1 but were 220 years ahead. Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Gaspy Conana posted:I keep hearing that episode 4 is where threads begin to come together and it's pretty amazing from then until the end. Anyone here feel the same? I just finished episode 2 and already think its really good, great to hear that it becomes even better.
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Tankbuster posted:No, its an off the cuff remark for people who are going around saying "Todd howard personally killed Fallout 1,2 and New Vegas with his bare hands." Todd Howard wanted "Post Apocalypse" setting but set it 220 years after the bombs dropped like in the east coast. Like what? There was progression
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Rabid Snake posted:100 years after the bombs dropped. Adobe huts made sense. Hell I'd love Adobe huts in this show. It just sucks 200+ years later and we're back at scrap metal sheets from just 100 years in the future from fallout 1 but were 220 years ahead. Yeah well made adobe huts houses like seen in fallout one would be very comofrtable to live in. Far better than all the rubbish built houses. They also have good walls surronding the town, a decent well maintained farming area, and the place looks like it's just kept clean in general. In wooded places I would also expect a lot more thatched huts and log cabins. If you've got a few decent tools you could have one built in really not the long ammount of time and when they got rad roaches and the such wandering around the extra effort would seem very much worth it. Also in colder climates they will be able to kept a hell of a lot warmer.
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Gaspy Conana posted:I keep hearing that episode 4 is where threads begin to come together and it's pretty amazing from then until the end. Anyone here feel the same? Yeah it really picks up on episode 4. Coincidentally, the first three episodes were directed by Nolan. 
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Rabid Snake posted:100 years after the bombs dropped. Adobe huts made sense. Hell I'd love Adobe huts in this show. It just sucks 200+ years later and we're back at scrap metal sheets from just 100 years in the future from fallout 1 but were 220 years ahead. Adobe huts are a lot of splooshing around in radioactive water.
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Entorwellian posted:Yeah it really picks up on episode 4. Coincidentally, the first three episodes were directed by Nolan. There's quite a few people saying the like the first four better. There's a slight shift in the feel of the show from the frount four and the back half, so I think it might just be a personal preference thing.
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I didn't care for the show all that much - chicken-loving chem-dealer was a highlight who I hope to see return - and it was mostly lows with a few highs ending with a hell of a final episode. I was looking forward to a [ep7/8 spoilers] Robo-Brain based Vault, maybe they sleeved brains into human bodies every now and then to send them to control the other Vaults hands-on, but, alas, it was only a mini-robo-brain. I don't like the 'reveal' of Vault-Tec and it's co-conspirators being behind the forcing of the Great War. The current explanation (the proto-Enclave being in power secretly and being bugfuck insane as to have power-armoured boots on Chinese soil, completely ignoring the idea of Mutually Assured Destruction that nuclear powers rely on, or even Tim Cain's "the Chinese Government saw the US was doing stuff with FEV") was good enough, there didn't need to be a corporate conspiracy as well/instead. The characters were largely unlikable, [general The Ghoul spoiler] we haven't even had the whole loving story with Cooper so next season is going to have even more of his backstory even though we can connect the dots between 'finds out about corporate conspiracy' and 'denounced by the media as a commie and does birthday parties to make money', only adding 'is sad his daughter is probably gonna die soon'. Someone mentioned about the Brotherhood being mostly guys but isn't Dane (Maximus' friend) a lady? Trying to de-gender (or making them effectively all a single gender) their foot soldiers goes along with the de-humanising a fascist group would do. I didn't think that [New Vegas/Dead Money/episode 7?/8 spoiler] Fred Sinclair worked FOR Big Mountain, he just did a devil's bargain with them to get funding for his casino/bunker and a few choice cuts of their best technology. There was some stuff in the Vault 33 storyline that I felt was going a weird place, an overly Reaganite "oh, those ineffectual liberals, what we need are HARD MEN MAKING HARD DECISIONS", but its conclusion was overshadowed by [hey guess what, it's episode 7/8 spoilers again!] Norm McLean finding out about what was going on in Vault 31. Fallout 4 did the 'joke' better in the quest where you meet Strong the Super Mutant. So, yeah, I wasn't super enthusiastic about what was going on - despite how much I've typed out after watching the whole thing - and didn't even care if the season even ended with Lucy finding Detective Dale Cooper or not... But then the very last shot. The bastards knew what it would take to keep me interested, despite everything. I don't know if the New Vegas Strip is any more destroyed than it's shown to be in the game but... The House always wins, baby.
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Stegosnaurlax posted:Adobe huts are a lot of splooshing around in radioactive water. They have a well!!! Unless the ground water is irradiate as well... which possible. But at that point you're drinking and watering you're plants with Irradiate water which is far worse than just getting a bit on the skin so 
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Stegosnaurlax posted:Adobe huts are a lot of splooshing around in radioactive water. but I mean they had other ways to purify water at the time of Fallout 1
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I get why they wanted to go the "post apocalyptic" route for better TV but 220 years in the future it makes no sense especially with old world tech still being around to uproot city states. It shouldve been set earlier The Lily story line is so boring beecause we went through it in Fallout 1, Fallout 3, and Fallout 4.
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Rabid Snake posted:I get why they wanted to go the "post apocalyptic" route for better TV but 220 years in the future it makes no sense especially with old world tech still being around to uproot city states. Storyline... storyline never changes
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Entorwellian posted:Storyline... storyline never changes I wanted to see the neoliberalism of the NCR to falter. If the TV show was going to be after New Vegas that would've made it so interesting. instead we got a nuke to reset things
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dr_rat posted:There's quite a few people saying the like the first four better. There's a slight shift in the feel of the show from the frount four and the back half, so I think it might just be a personal preference thing. the first 4 episodes are about doing sidequests. Last four are about completing the game.
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Rabid Snake posted:Todd Howard wanted "Post Apocalypse" setting but set it 220 years after the bombs dropped like in the east coast. Like what? There was progression yeah but building things requires resources, energy and technical knowledge. The latter is collected by the BoS and slowly trickles into the wasteland according to the ending of game 1. The former is something the world explicitly lacks. People living in favelas makes as much sense as them living in adobe huts. The energy stuff is mentioned in the show.
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Tankbuster posted:yeah but building things requires resources, energy and technical knowledge. The latter is collected by the BoS and slowly trickles into the wasteland according to the ending of game 1. The former is something the world explicitly lacks. People living in favelas makes as much sense as them living in adobe huts. The energy stuff is mentioned in the show. There were other factions in the games that have this knowledge ? You know how long 220 years is? New Vegas was supposed to be a "frontier" and even the "frontier" had this knowledge. edit: New Vegas was the "Wild West" compared to California and they still had a running Hoover Dam with three factions fighting for it. Rabid Snake fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Its a frontier where the actual thriving place is explicitly protected by an ayn rand character's benevolence because it was his pet project. Freeside is a mess. There's a bunch of destroyed towns and the most functional city was built by NCR colonists moving eastwards.
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Rabid Snake posted:There were other factions in the games that have this knowledge ? You know how long 220 years is? New Vegas was supposed to be a "frontier" and even the "frontier" had this knowledge. The other half of "you know how long 220 years is" is... all that sheet metal would be dust by now between time and radiation.
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Tankbuster posted:Its a frontier where the actual thriving place is explicitly protected by an ayn rand character's benevolence because it was his pet project. Freeside is a mess. There's a bunch of destroyed towns and the most functional city was built by NCR colonists moving eastwards. how do you have engineers knowing how to keep the hoover dam running?
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Azhais posted:The other half of "you know how long 220 years is" is... all that sheet metal would be dust by now between time and radiation. Yeah I did not like the fallout new vegas assets being reused from fallout 3 either with the time crunch
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the answer is Mr House thought of everything. Las vegas was a cool setting for a fallout game and The Hoover Dam would be a good hook for a narrative starting point or big thing to fight over. Anyways the show has women being forced to birth fish people mutants as a vault experiment so the realism is tempered with 50s goofy weird science ideas.
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Rabid Snake posted:how do you have engineers knowing how to keep the hoover dam running? Pure gumption. Somehow Cuba survived until now.
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Tankbuster posted:the answer is Mr House thought of everything. Las vegas was a cool setting for a fallout game and The Hoover Dam would be a good hook for a narrative starting point or big thing to fight over. Anyways the show has women being forced to birth fish people mutants as a vault experiment so the realism is tempered with 50s goofy weird science ideas. Yeah makes a real interesting story of post apocalypse told a billion times along with 3 games already!
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LashLightning posted:The bastards knew what it would take to keep me interested, despite everything. Thats where I’m at - I wanted this to be a dud but instead I just remember Fallout is great. Theres going to be season 2 (no spoilers but they end it with a definite hint at continuing) or are they waiting for reception?
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Rabid Snake posted:Yeah makes a real interesting story of post apocalypse told a billion times along with 3 games already! This show isn't for Fallout fans. It's an entry into Fallout for people who have Amazon prime and want to watch a sci fi post apocalypse show.
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Doltos posted:This show isn't for Fallout fans. It's an entry into Fallout for people who have Amazon prime and want to watch a sci fi post apocalypse show. Which makes it even more surprising to me anyway that this wasn't just set in Houston or something. Fresh for fans, and the non-fans wouldn't care or know anyway. Erasing Fallout: NV is just going to piss people off for no actual gain
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Doltos posted:This show isn't for Fallout fans. It's an entry into Fallout for people who have Amazon prime and want to watch a sci fi post apocalypse show. That was the argument I was trying it make. I understand why they want it to be post apocalyptic and not post-post apocalyptic. Why set it in the west coast and so far in the future with lore already set? And say the show is canon?
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As someone who thinks all the Bethesda Fallout games are incredibly mediocre and boring, I really liked it. I'm a big fan of John Nolan in general, though. I thought the back half was better than the first half by a huge margin. The casting, production, and comedy were all great. It's very funny to see people who live and die by New Vegas having a fit about whatever it is they did with the setting
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Concurred posted:As someone who thinks all the Bethesda Fallout games are incredibly mediocre and boring, I really liked it. I'm a big fan of John Nolan in general, though. I thought the back half was better than the first half by a huge margin. The casting, production, and comedy were all great. It’s not even new Vegas it’s fallout 1 and 2. I’m not mad just disappointed because it means any future west coast games are now erasing the original fallouts and new Vegas. Yes it’s funny to people who don’t care but it sucks for fans of he original games
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Concurred posted:As someone who thinks all the Bethesda Fallout games are incredibly mediocre and boring, I really liked it. I'm a big fan of John Nolan in general, though. I thought the back half was better than the first half by a huge margin. The casting, production, and comedy were all great. I think a ton of people who played Fallout only played a couple of games out of the series and barely paid attention to the lore. I imagine this show is trying to soak up a lot of those people instead of the ones that are going to freak out if New Vegas isn't remade shot for shot.
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LashLightning posted:Someone mentioned about the Brotherhood being mostly guys but isn't Dane (Maximus' friend) a lady? Trying to de-gender (or making them effectively all a single gender) their foot soldiers goes along with the de-humanising a fascist group would do. Dane's actor Xelia Mendes-Jones is non-binary and goes by he/they. I noticed that Elder Cleric Quintus referred to Dane using 'their' so I think in-universe the character is nonbinary/trans also. Which doesn't seem like a thing that the Brotherhood of Steel as portrayed would allow. Megazver posted:Screenshots re: the lore spoilerblocks Maybe it's that they consider 2277 and the NCR's expansion into the Mojave as the 'start' of the fall. The bomb could have gone off in 2282 or whenever but because it came from the direction of New Vegas it's lumped in together.
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Concurred posted:As someone who thinks all the Bethesda Fallout games are incredibly mediocre and boring, I really liked it. I'm a big fan of John Nolan in general, though. I thought the back half was better than the first half by a huge margin. The casting, production, and comedy were all great. I don’t understand how you think “live or die by new Vegas” having a fit is a thing when I’m just expressing disappointment. You could enjoy the tv show for what it is I’m just disappointed that the lore was hosed which is the basis is the thread. To discuss the tv show
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the lore was hosed how? The NCR was projected to have famines in a decade and now cannibal gangs roaming the railways.
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Tankbuster posted:the lore was hosed how? The NCR was projected to have famines in a decade and now cannibal gangs roaming the railways. What happened to independent New Vegas with all those robots along with the technology from Dead Money? Neoliberal NCR was hosed anyways but wouldn’t it be interesting to see them falter instead of a nuke?
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