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Failed Imagineer posted:I sometimes worry that people can recognise the Awful app colour scheme when I'm browsing on the bus. But then I remember how dead the forums are and relax My Awful app has the same colour scheme as the Facebook app.
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Apr 12, 2024 10:46
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fuctifino posted:dot-bomb startup in Paris. this one was very devastating when it burst
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Apr 12, 2024 10:48
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I'm a bit sad I don't post as much these days, but I still read the thread basically daily.
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Apr 12, 2024 10:49
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Miftan posted:I'm a bit sad I don't post as much these days, but I still read the thread basically daily. He said, postingly
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Apr 12, 2024 10:51
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The NHS claim that starting at 40 you'll get invited in for health checks. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/ I am now 41 and haven't had a invite. When I went to my GP they said that in reality basically they aren't universal, used to be outsourced and no I wasn't likely to get one anytime soon. Is that the experience of others? Is this something worth chasing more or is that just how it is?
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Apr 12, 2024 10:55
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I lurk the thread for political news if I don't feel like doomscrolling newspapers. I'd to post that Ovo (and all energy suppliers) are pure dogshit oval office parasites. A friend has been served an erroneous bill for a flat she wasn't in and Ovo won't accept evidence like her tenancy agreement for the flat she was actually in...because the tenancy agreement lists a different address to the flat the bill was for  ? Hope the ombudsman is actually useful.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:07
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Sad Panda posted:Is that the experience of others? Is this something worth chasing more or is that just how it is? I'm 52 this year. They never called me in either, despite there always being a clear yellow '!' alert on the computer screen notifying the GP that I'm 'x' years overdue my health check.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:07
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Apr 12, 2024 11:12
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I got called in for a health check after I turned 60 and post-covid. I get sent a little tube and spoon every year or so to scoop a bit of poop to post off (don't know if everyone gets that or just Wales). Now I'm diagnosed diabetes type 2 I get called in to get blood tests etc every 3-4 months. I'm trying to avoid medication by attending to diet. I think I'd only just developed it when it got picked up last summer as part of a general "why am I so tired all the time" blood test which revealed ferrite deficiency, liver enzyme too high whatever that means, various other markers all fine, so hopefully will be able to avoid meds entirely.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:17
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Sad Panda posted:The NHS claim that starting at 40 you'll get invited in for health checks. https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/nhs-health-check/ I am now 41 and haven't had a invite. When I went to my GP they said that in reality basically they aren't universal, used to be outsourced and no I wasn't likely to get one anytime soon. I turned 40 during The Event, and my GP called me in for it a few months back. I assume there's a backlog like everything else. It's just taking some bloods and a blood pressure check. I needn't have bothered drinking all that water that morning, I was vaguely disappointed.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:19
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coulda just pissed yourself, as a treat
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Apr 12, 2024 11:25
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WaffleACAB posted:I would also suspect some kind of gang stalking if even one person I knew irl was a secret UKMT goon I found out years later that I used to work with feedmegin. Also my sysadmin is a goon but I don't think he posts in the UKMT.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:27
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Amongst the doom and gloom just saw something in an email at work to cheer y'all up: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-68681038 Gender-critical Swindon teacher loses employment tribunal case Refused to refer to a trans lad by their name and pronouns and tried to sign them up to a womens only maths competition. Which does beg the question why that's gender segregated, but gently caress you anyway Mr Lister.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:29
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Two Owls posted:I turned 40 during The Event, and my GP called me in for it a few months back. I assume there's a backlog like everything else. You just need the little spoon to take a sample from your backlog
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Apr 12, 2024 11:36
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I did the Our Future Health survey thing the other day for the sweet £10 voucher and it was nice to be told my cholesterol, blood pressure etc. were at "admirable" levels. Still a good few years before I turn 40 and (theoretically) get checked out on a regular basis. Distressing to be told I'm not as tall as I thought, though! A shameful 6'1"
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Apr 12, 2024 11:44
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quote:Summarising his views presented during the hearing, the panel said: "Mr Lister... likened the social transitioning of a child to the illegal act of performing FGM (female genital mutilation)." lmao using a name someone asks to be called by is like FGM? Sir! Sir! Sir! Go gently caress yaself. I hope anyone that acts this way sees their actions come back on them like this.
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Apr 12, 2024 11:57
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Strong "Jordan Peterson crying about Elliott Page's top surgery" energy for sure.
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Apr 12, 2024 12:03
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Tesseraction posted:Amongst the doom and gloom just saw something in an email at work to cheer y'all up: Mr Lister sir, you are a complete & utter smeghead
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Apr 12, 2024 12:11
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Honest Davion posted:lmao using a name someone asks to be called by is like FGM? Sir! Sir! Sir! Go gently caress yaself. I hope anyone that acts this way sees their actions come back on them like this. Guavanaut posted:Currently reading Sexing the Body: Gender Politics and the Construction of Sexuality Transphobes never ever talk about things like that though, and instead pretend that letting people into the 'wrong' scouts or maths competition or school uniform grouping or anything other than the actual FGM is comparable. in short forkboy84 posted:Mr Lister sir, you are a complete & utter smeghead
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Apr 12, 2024 12:23
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some wonderful pronoun gore in that article quote:A teacher's complaint that he was unfairly sacked for refusing to refer to a student by their preferred pronouns has been dismissed by an employment tribunal. Tesseraction posted:Which does beg the question why that's gender segregated, but gently caress you anyway Mr Lister. A specific womens-only maths competition makes sense as it's quite a male-heavy field, especially in the upper levels, so I assume the purpose of it is to correct for that. I would assume there isn't a mens-only competition. Now it does still hinge a bit on a binary view of gender - does gender discrimination not apply to any non-binary people? What about trans people in general? Should it really be a "not men" or "not cis men" competition? These are the actual Reasonable Discussions About Gender that society as a whole should be having rather than "but man is penis"
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Apr 12, 2024 12:26
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Tesseraction posted:Strong "Jordan Peterson crying about Elliott Page's top surgery" energy for sure. We should invent the titty cannon where you can schlorp boobs off people who don't want them and stick them to people who do, or people who complain about that. Jorp going around looking like a shoggoth made of boba pearls
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Apr 12, 2024 12:35
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Tindalos posted:If you're so convinced people under the age of majority can't make this decision, surely the sensible thing is to make puberty blockers available for all because otherwise you're forcing someone to undergo a potentially traumatic situation that you've admitted you don't think they're able to make a decision on? People consider who they want to be as teenagers - it's sort of the reason that whole mess exists. This talk of 'regret' is people like Glinner wilfully conflating pausing a harmful biological change with pretending an army of doctors are waiting to cut your kid's dick off the second they say they don't want to watch football. The arguments they make conflating surgical detransitioners with people on hormone blockers is a gnarled and twisted knot of backformed conclusions, misunderstood assumptions and half thought-out bigotry. That and the fact that half the women saying puberty blockers are unnatural are of an age where they and their friends are probably on HRT is more than a little hypocritical. E: I don't want that last point to come across as ageist or misogynist but it does seem like a double standard to be like 'this biological process will permenently alter my body in ways I don't want, so I'm taking hormones. But you can't take them for the same reason, even temporarily.' Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 12:40
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I teach Computing and the female-only competitions that I see generally say they're for girls and non-binary - https://www.cyberfirstschools.co.uk/cyberfirst-girls-competition/ and https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/241151/year-10-11-girls-join-researchers/ being an example. The first one says 'All team members must identify as a girl'.
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Apr 12, 2024 12:51
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Bobby Deluxe posted:That is also a really important point - puberty blockers are harmless and delay the decision until the child is of a legal age that they can give informed consent. I thought there was something about the delay of puberty possibly causing bone density issues in later life, or is that more anti-trans propaganda bollocks? I have bone density issues without being trans anyway so it’s not like not giving people the treatment guarantees healthy bones (and more to the point healthy bones almost certainly aren’t a tremendous comfort to you if your mental health and overall wellbeing has been so seriously impacted by the process otherwise), but if there is some kind of truth to the idea that there are ‘some’ potentially negative consequences of the treatment then it feels like making blanket statements about them being harmless is the kind of thing that gives dipshits something to latch onto when they want to talk about how the kids are being lied to and groomed or whatever the gently caress. History Comes Inside! fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 12:53
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Bone density seems like something trivially easy to deal with if you know about the cause in advance. Put them in the gravity chamber for a couple of years.
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Apr 12, 2024 12:57
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I lurk and occasionally pipe up, but as a class traitor I don't think my input is valued or desired.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:00
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^^^ I despise the whole 'class traitor / champagne socialist' thing. Socialism doesn't mean you can't have nice things, it just means if one person has more resources than they could possibly spend in a lifetime while other are starving to death, it's time for violins. History Comes Inside! posted:I thought there was something about the delay of puberty possibly causing bone density issues in later life, or is that more anti-trans propaganda bollocks? Pretty much every medicine in existence has side effects and it's a matter of balancing out the positive and negative - as you say, there's no point terfs banging on about healthy bones if the counterpoint is a massively increased risk of suicide. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 13:01
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Bone density is fucky, obvs I transitioned late anyway, but they warned me about how hormones can do a number on your bones because of something to do with calcium, but the answer was "keep an eye on it, drink milk and make sure you get lots of vitamin D cos it metabolises to something that helps wtih that". It's not like it's an insurmountable problem, it's like anything medical. Either way it's wildly, massively preferable to not transitioning, there's no world where I'm sitting there in my old body going "ah well, at least I have really dense bones".
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Apr 12, 2024 13:05
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Bobby Deluxe posted:As I understand it the risks with puberty blockers are no greater than the risks with HRT and hormone-based contraception. It’s exactly this. Yes, there is some evidence the puberty blockers can negatively affect bone density later in life, but A) the magnitude of the effect, AFAIK, is not that great, and B) lots of other treatments have far worse side effects and aren’t called dangerous. What it comes down to is that this treatment is being singled out because of the preconceived notions of critics who see transitioning as an unnatural or frivolous medical procedure.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:06
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Yeah on balance the advantages of lifetime reduced cancer risk and social benefits justify delaying puberty even in cis kids, especially as puberty has been getting earlier for decades. That line of thinking got shouted down by evangelical weirdoes, radfems, and mr natural types back in the 90s in the anglosphere though, and now the same lot are kicking up a fuss about it for trans kids.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:07
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Sadsack posted:I lurk and occasionally pipe up, but as a class traitor I don't think my input is valued or desired. Depends on the kinds of traitor, if you're well off now and happily pay taxes then not a problem IMO. Charlotte Church is minted but she's still out on socialist and pro-Palestine marches.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:08
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Bobby Deluxe posted:it's time for violins. Now I'm not sure if this is autocorrect striking again or the thread meme!
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Apr 12, 2024 13:09
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Like a huge prong of the attack on gender affirming care is by people who regard reproductive freedom in general as an unnatural or frivolous medical procedure, so it's more thin end of the wedge poo poo. It's the same shitters as who confected the outcry 30 years ago, and for the same reasons but with an ostensibly new target.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:18
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Guavanaut posted:Yeah on balance the advantages of lifetime reduced cancer risk and social benefits justify delaying puberty even in cis kids, especially as puberty has been getting earlier for decades. There is a lot of interesting research looking into the combined effect of children beginning puberty earlier and being exposed to massively more information at younger ages than ever before on mental health that, in concert with the whole debate about trans children, will probably necessitate in the near future a widespread reevaluation of how we treat children. Basically, the earlier that a child enters puberty, the less equipped their brain is to deal with the radically different attunement to social information that new hormones bring. At the same time, social media in particular has led to children being exposed to huge amounts of social information between communicating with people they know and forming parasocial relationships with ones they don’t. The result seems to be that children are experiencing far more anxiety, depression, and other forms of mental illness than even a decade ago. So I wouldn’t be surprised if puberty blockers come to be viewed as a valuable form of mental health treatment for both cis and trans kids in future.
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Apr 12, 2024 13:18
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i mean how many times have kids been fed too much acetaminophen and despite warnings that wasn’t removed whole cloth as an analgesic/antipyretic for children
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Apr 12, 2024 13:19
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Tesseraction posted:it's time for violins. Seems apt for the UK 
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Apr 12, 2024 13:20
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Every winter I take beclometasone for my asthma. It's a steroid that has side effects including increased heart rate, oral thrush if you don't use expensive non-prescription mouthwash afterwards and increased risk of adrenal problems among others. Antidepressants come with a leaflet as long as your arm. Even medicines as ubiquitous as paracetamol and ibuprofen have huge lists of possible side effects. However, given that the alternative for me is not breathing, I guess I have to put up with that poo poo so I don't die. Pretending that a treatment has to be perfect before it can be used just means that treatment can never be used. Tesseraction posted:Now I'm not sure if this is autocorrect striking again or the thread meme! Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 13:27 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Apr 12, 2024 13:21
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Tesseraction posted:Gender-critical Swindon teacher loses employment tribunal case I dated someone from Swindon for a while. Everything he said made it sound like an irredeemable shithole. In this case, haha gently caress you Mr Lister, hope you're miserable
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Apr 12, 2024 13:24
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History Comes Inside! posted:I thought there was something about the delay of puberty possibly causing bone density issues in later life, or is that more anti-trans propaganda bollocks? Much like the bone density issues related to menopause, being on puberty blockers (and thus reduced hormone levels) for a long period of time can have ill effects, which are resolved by either going off them or onto hrt
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Thanks for the answers. By no means was I trying to back the idea of not providing a necessary and potentially lifesaving treatment to the people who need it, it was more about the feeling that using language that gives bigots an inch would lead to them taking a mile and hollering about the future generations being made out of glass and why don’t you care about the increased costs to the NHS of all those x-rays and plaster casts and trips to A&E etc.
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