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Fried Watermelon posted:finally a show that isn't WOKE more shows should be like fallout
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they said "make america great"
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fallout show is very mid. not nearly enough Matt Berry or Zach Cherry. Goggins is far and away the show's bright spot. I feel like I recognize the main girl from something but can't place it. e: also the costumes are very understated but absolutely perfect in every case, they all just "fit." so 1. Goggins 1A. Costumes e2: 2 eps in so maybe the Berry/Cherry characters get some actual screen time later
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indigi posted:fallout show is very mid. not nearly enough Matt Berry or Zach Cherry. Goggins is far and away the show's bright spot. I feel like I recognize the main girl from something but can't place it. e: also the costumes are very understated but absolutely perfect in every case, they all just "fit." so 1. Goggins 1A. Costumes she was jackie on yellowjackets
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lumpentroll posted:she was jackie on yellowjackets oh poo poo
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StashAugustine posted:Tbf this isn't really an argument about canon- like I saw one person insisting that actually the bombs fell at 6 in the morning but there's a child's birthday party occurring and okay gently caress off who cares. It's about what you think the point of the setting is- and tbh as someone who loves New Vegas I'm increasingly convinced that actually it's just an outlier
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:they get into that lol that they were doing timeshare for vault stuff.
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Silly little minutae is one thing but I'm starting to turn against the idea that "canon is dumb nerd poo poo that only hampers creativity and doesn't matter" now that we've gotten several years of media companies just throwing out whatever for big IPs. Having consistent rules and so on for a story helps maintain stakes, if anything can be retconned and any silly plot device can be introduced then there is no tension.
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hey youtube is recommending me this dumb baby anime. Is this any good? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkc0AvSwjVU
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Tankbuster posted:hey youtube is recommending me this dumb baby anime. Is this any good? This seems perfectly suited for a person of your intellectual caliber. The algorithm succeeds yet again
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The system works.
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Mantis42 posted:Silly little minutae is one thing but I'm starting to turn against the idea that "canon is dumb nerd poo poo that only hampers creativity and doesn't matter" now that we've gotten several years of media companies just throwing out whatever for big IPs. Having consistent rules and so on for a story helps maintain stakes, if anything can be retconned and any silly plot device can be introduced then there is no tension. I think the issue comes from corporations just not letting stories end, while also demanding that all stories share the same continuity/universe in the name of synergy instead of letting entries in the same genre be stand alone. “Canon” for lack of a better word is simply having linear time. Event C happened as a consequence of Event B happening which happened as a consequence of Event A and so on. This is important, as you said, because you can’t have tension or stakes if the rules of simple cause and effect don’t exist. The characters cease to grow or be affected by anything and everything devolves into a bunch of non-entities shuffling from random setpiece to random setpiece. The problem of course comes from, that as a story or setting goes on the amount of “rules” as it were builds up and leaves you less and less space to do new things and tell new stories in the setting. AND THIS IS FINE. It’s fine to say “There’s really no where else to take this” And just let the ending be the ending. But Hollywood will squeeze every drop of blood from a stone and beat every dead horse. And as I said, the longer a story goes on the less room it has to introduce new things without breaking its built up rules. So they do the hack thing and retcon or use a time machine to change the past or even just ignore things that are inconvenient. And if you do this often enough it breaks the illusion. You can no longer maintain the suspension of disbelief because every time you start to get invested in something they change it.
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people were bolting new things to stories before hollywood. The Mahabharata is full of weird folktale asides everywhere because people added their own spins to the story - tangents and asides that vary from place to place. Its a part of storytelling.
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Or just tell a new story in a new timeline with the same ideas like Transformers and Ninja Turtles have been doing for decades. Use past entries as idea buckets, even make fan pleasing references to things you don't plan to fully incorporate, you can even do meta commentary. Heck, even the MCU got in on that and actually did a pretty okay job, at least IMO.
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oh a bunch of posts about a video game tv show. thats cool too
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adhering to canon is always a fine line in an adaptation cuz if you just put it straight from the source then why do it but if you completely deviate then why adapt at all (I know the real answer is to make a bland content package to put on streaming to increase numbers for money)? the sweet spot is playing with the setting and material without being slavishly devoted to it. I think of the JJ Abrams Star Trek where he clearly didn't gaf about actually being Star Trek and it sucked but that could just be because he's a lovely hack having someone creative use the mild constraints in a fun way usually makes the best stuff imo! e: Twisted Metal, despite being a "Surfing Dracula" example, is something that felt like it was a fun thing that took a very loose framework and then goofed around with it. kinda helps that the game's plot isn't really that important to the type of game it is Whoolighams has issued a correction as of 11:31 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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galagazombie posted:I think the issue comes from corporations just not letting stories end, while also demanding that all stories share the same continuity/universe in the name of synergy instead of letting entries in the same genre be stand alone. every time I revisit the Nolan Batman movies they drift further towards "mid" but I really appreciate him just being done, the end, it's over, go home!
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canon will not save you from slop. you will just end up with slop that's about the importance of canon, like every american comic book.
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:oh a bunch of posts about a video game tv show. thats cool too Melting down about not respecting New Vegas lore. Did you expect anything less?
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Calm down Hoot
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F Stop Fitzgerald posted:oh a bunch of posts about a video game tv show. thats cool too It's the pop culture thread
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:It's the pop culture thread
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I watched Melancholia the other day. Is that pop culture I thought it was good but too long.
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nice obelisk idiot posted:everyone is supposed to be discussing robert bresson and alban berg in the pop culture thread. get with the program The people complaining frequently post about slop too, it just has to be the specific slop they're interested in or 
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Good Soldier Svejk posted:I watched Melancholia the other day. Is that pop culture i loved the resolution at the end of recreating a more human experience. almost like they were finding shelter from the rich people stuff as much as the impact. and the tristan and isolde theme tied up with the rogue planet, and her love of life and longing for death was a really great motif nice obelisk idiot has issued a correction as of 13:28 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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Mr Hootington posted:Melting down about not respecting New Vegas lore. Did you expect anything less? I mean its genuinely interesting how much of a poo poo Todd Howard is. He is really butthurt that people think NV is a classic and not one of 'his' games. We don't often get to see someone assassinate a whole rival canonicity. Worth talking about imo.
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:they said "make america great"
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Grey Fox posted:and then immediately made a joke about owning a casino that loses money oh yeah lol
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nice obelisk idiot posted:i liked it a lot when I saw it ~10 years ago, but didn't particularly enjoy it when I caught part of it a while back. rich people poo poo is too psychically oppressive, and that's a big part of the point, but it makes a good chunk of the film kind of miserable in a way that isn't very interesting to me. Yeah, oppressive is a very good way to put it. A lot of the shots are outright claustrophobic and the overwhelming depressive atmosphere is like too damned effective. The music and wide shots and all the artsy stuff is quite beautiful though. I am glad I watched it but I don't know that I ever need to feel it again.
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StashAugustine posted:Yeah like i haven't played the games but the ludicrously dystopia background works when it's a brief detail or directly relates to Geralt's character, but you can't ask me to actually care about it. Hopefully his Warhammer show doesn't make the same mistake The only people at Netflix who could pull off a Warhammer show are already busy with 1670
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War and Pieces posted:The only people at Netflix who could pull off a Warhammer show are already busy with 1670 Warhammer's an amazon production so maybe Bezos will give it some of that LotR money or maybe he'll cancel it outright because LotR lost so much
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Amazon is very desperate to have enough ips that they can run their own comic con style thing. It's been a plan of theirs for like 10 years now
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Regarde Aduck posted:I mean its genuinely interesting how much of a poo poo Todd Howard is. He is really butthurt that people think NV is a classic and not one of 'his' games. We don't often get to see someone assassinate a whole rival canonicity. Worth talking about imo. the suits will destroy every piece of culture that makes money, from fallout to disco elysium to like most novies. i hate the bourgeois
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:It's the pop culture thread Yeah, go make a D&D pop culture thread if you want to be forbidden from discussing anything popular or cultural
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My expectations of pretty much any Amazon Prime Original Series are basically "looks pretty, fun while I watch, probably won't think much about it after". Sounds like I will not be disappointed by Fallout when I start watching. I like Ella Purnell from Star Trek Prodigy, and I'll watch Walton Goggins and Michael Emerson in pretty much anything
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Regarde Aduck posted:I mean its genuinely interesting how much of a poo poo Todd Howard is. He is really butthurt that people think NV is a classic and not one of 'his' games. We don't often get to see someone assassinate a whole rival canonicity. Worth talking about imo. I think what's also interesting about this is that the show sits in a weird spot being being incredibly derivative (all major factions are from the game, two of the leads are reworked versions of the leads have inherited plot hooks from different games) but it's also, essentially, meant to exist as just another sequel alongside the other game entries. So the issue of continuity matters in so much as the texts are in narrative communication with each other, rather than just being purely adaptational (and therefore free of issues like "canon" or "lore" or what have you). The entire thing is enjoyable pap, basically derivative autocannabalistic slop like so much IP driven trash we get now. So the few cases where it chooses to deviate with the games, and what games it chooses to deviate with, are significant IMO. It's also interesting in that New Vegas was the only second wave Fallout entry to not be highly derivative -- it's still Fallout, but it's doing a lot of new things, has different plot and thematic concerns, and has a much higher percentage of new factions / reworked versions of old factions. This isn't something the series does. Open Source Idiom has issued a correction as of 14:36 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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yeah, i'm enjoying it for what it is. I'm just really interested in the hosed up mind of Todd lol, love getting little insights into his weasel brain
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Regarde Aduck posted:yeah, i'm enjoying it for what it is. I'm just really interested in the hosed up mind of Todd lol, love getting little insights into his weasel brain It's going to be a lot of fun watching Microsoft start prying IP back away from him it's already in the cards after Starfield bombed, but there's way too much money spent that needs to be made back for MS to wait for Bethesda to ooze out another game in the hopes it's not just another starfield 6 years from now
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Man, who is worse, Todd Howard or Todd McFarlane??? A question for the ages
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scary ghost dog posted:the show barely adapts the books, and blood and wine references them constantly. blood and wine is a direct sequel to a subplot from the beginning of the last book. the show sucks because they didnt even try to adapt them Isn't this why Cavill quit?
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