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I honestly didn't plan on watching X-Men 97 since I never really watched the original very much and so didn't have nostalgia for it, but this thread (and others) going crazy about the most recent episode* finally got me to give it a shot and after binging the whole thing tonight... drat, this is a good show. I will agree with a lot of people that while it's nice they got the original guy back to voice Wolverine, he's just not that great at it anymore and they'd probably have been better off getting a soundalike imo. *one other factor was having my little brother literally text me all day badgering me about watching it because he needed to gush to someone about it lol deoju posted:In the most recent episode they show a picture of the 1963 team in their original outfits. So I guess we know how things stand now. From the minute I understood Gambit's powers I always thought "Why doesn't he just charge up much bigger poo poo?" and I know the answer is "because he can't throw it" but still, I feel like writers are less creative than they could be in general (at least in most comics I've read featuring him) with the power of "make anything (inorganic) loving explode" X-O posted:I mean Cable was already trying to fix it and said "Not again!" like he'd done it before and failed. I fully expect it to be lessened so some of the dying characters don't die, but probably not completely halted. We'll see. Doesn't change the impact the episode had in the moment which is what really matters. Yeah, the Wild Man of Borneo has really beefed it here and I also get the feeling that from his POV it's not the first time.
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Has comic book Magneto ever worn a costume like the one in '97? I assume so, it just looks so different from any version I have seen from comics or adaptations. But I really dig it. Also I really dig the new opening each episode. EP5 accordingly had an amazing OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXldMBoT-54 NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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NikkolasKing posted:Has comic book Magneto ever worn a costume like the one in '97? I assume so, it just looks so different from any version I have seen from comics or adaptations. But I really dig it. He wore it for a while in the Claremont era when he seemed fully reformed, I think while he was leading the New Mutants.
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Air Skwirl posted:He wore it for a while in the Claremont era when he seemed fully reformed, I think while he was leading the New Mutants. Including "The Trial of Magneto" which the second episode pulled from.
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NikkolasKing posted:Has comic book Magneto ever worn a costume like the one in '97? I assume so, it just looks so different from any version I have seen from comics or adaptations. But I really dig it. I love the changing intros but find it mildly hilarious that they still have to keep that end with the X-Men and villains running at each other at the end because it's so iconic despite the fact that the show starts off with Xavier dead and now characters keep dying (or going away in Storm's case).
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BTAS talk always puts me in mind of the movie poster gallery some mad artist made, https://imgur.com/gallery/1HArE
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Those own. The one for the Last Laugh instantly made me recall the song from Batman fighting Captain Clown. That episode had a sick soundtrack. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AFXUF_FuG2o
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NikkolasKing posted:Has comic book Magneto ever worn a costume like the one in '97? I assume so, it just looks so different from any version I have seen from comics or adaptations. But I really dig it. As mentioned, he wore it during and around the "Trial Of Magneto" storyline in Uncanny X-Men #200. 
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I mean, I guess it was allowed back then but it's just funny to me that the lawyer really needs her nicotine fix in that moment. "Your Honor, permission to approach the bench." "Granted." "Hey, I'm outta matches. You got a light?" "I gotchu." [flicks a lighter on for her]
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The defense also gets pretty silly. 
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NikkolasKing posted:Has comic book Magneto ever worn a costume like the one in '97? I assume so, it just looks so different from any version I have seen from comics or adaptations. But I really dig it. Has Hank ever really been addressed as The (definite article) Beast? I'm not sure he's had a solo series and that title banner has existed since at least the original show but it's just something I noticed and seemed odd. None of the other OG X-Men are a "The" so it seems weird that every guy added. Oh, and did Jean ever go by Marvel Girl in the old series? It always seemed like she never had a codename, although we've had acknowledgement of her being in the first five and wearing both the original outfit and the green number with yellow mask. BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Apr 12, 2024 |
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TwoPair posted:From the minute I understood Gambit's powers I always thought "Why doesn't he just charge up much bigger poo poo?" and I know the answer is "because he can't throw it" but still, I feel like writers are less creative than they could be in general (at least in most comics I've read featuring him) with the power of "make anything (inorganic) loving explode" BizarroAzrael posted:Has Hank ever really been addressed as The (definite article) Beast? I'm not sure he's had a solo series and that title banner has existed since at least the original show but it's just something I noticed and seemed odd. None of the other OG X-Men are a "The" so it seems weird that every guy added. Yes, they both have. Hank's first fuzzy appearance was in an issue of Amazing Adventures featuring "THE BEAST" and there was a "THE BEAST" miniseries in the 90s.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Has Hank ever really been addressed as The (definite article) Beast? I'm not sure he's had a solo series and that title banner has existed since at least the original show but it's just something I noticed and seemed odd. None of the other OG X-Men are a "The" so it seems weird that every guy added. I have admitted its' been a long time since I watched TAS but even as a kid I always wondered why Jean didn't have a codename. I'm positive she is always just Jean Grey in the show. Unless you count when she's possessed by Phoenix Force and calls herself Phoenix. I think she's just Jean in X-Men Evolution, too.
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I didn't know Jean's hero name was Marvel Girl until I read Ultimate X-Men #1 as a teenager and was exposed to Millar for the first time lol
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Soooo was the background for Magneto in the intro foreshadowing? Gambit related, I always liked the introduction that he has minor telekinetic abilities and that's one reason why his cards are so accurate.
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MonsterEnvy posted:The defense also gets pretty silly.
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Azubah posted:Gambit related, I always liked the introduction that he has minor telekinetic abilities and that's one reason why his cards are so accurate. I'm the opposite. I like when characters are just good at stuff. Gambit doesn't need a power for throwing cards, Cyclops doesn't need a power for knowing angles to bank his beams, Spider-Man doesn't need inherited spider knowledge to invent web fluid, etc.
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MonsterEnvy posted:The defense also gets pretty silly. CapnAndy posted:I don't know what I like more, the ruling that all babies are dead (world stillbirth rate rockets to 100%!) or that the lawyer used the very legal phrase "state of grace", enshrining in precedent that from now on a Catholic can do all the crimes they want and then go to confession, and then the person who did those crimes is legally dead. I love it. I'm not sure you can write this kind of thing anymore. It is such unapologetic blend of comic book insanity with something very serious and "real." If this was done nowadays, somebody would have to go wink wink nudge nudge at how absurd it is. But Claremont takes this silliness totally straight.
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https://twitter.com/BeauDemayo/status/1778190058144866726 Apparently episode 5 was the whole centerpiece of this project
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CapnAndy posted:I don't know what I like more, the ruling that all babies are dead (world stillbirth rate rockets to 100%!) or that the lawyer used the very legal phrase "state of grace", enshrining in precedent that from now on a Catholic can do all the crimes they want and then go to confession, and then the person who did those crimes is legally dead. Also Magneto 100% remembers his prior life plus the experience of being a baby before he is re-aged, as that is what inspires his revenge scheme to force the X-Men to enact an adult baby/mommy dom role play scenario inside his secret arctic fortress. Also also the X-Men are not the ones responsible for him getting turned into a baby.
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Speaking as a current lawyer I would love to be a lawyer in comic book world. I can only imagine the hosed up precedents there would be.
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Monaghan posted:Speaking as a current lawyer I would love to be a lawyer in comic book world. I can only imagine the hosed up precedents there would be. That was one of the main gimmicks of Dan Slott's She-Hulk run. He even had thanks to the Comics Code Authority (for reasons that escape me) back issues were admissible as evidence.
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Dawgstar posted:That was one of the main gimmicks of Dan Slott's She-Hulk run. He even had thanks to the Comics Code Authority (for reasons that escape me) back issues were admissible as evidence.
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It's almost a shame the finale is monopolizing everyone's attention. And for those who aren't captivated by all the questions and emotions there, they're focused on kisses and romantic angst. Amidst all this, Scott's best moment yet has been overshadowed.  I wonder if this is gonna go anywhere, especially combined with the rest of the episode? It's probably just a moment of vulnerability, of being a person. Either way, it was quite great.
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I'm not really an X-Men guy so I havne't been watching but I've seen clips of '97 and it's pretty great. NikkolasKing posted:It's almost a shame the finale is monopolizing everyone's attention. And for those who aren't captivated by all the questions and emotions there, they're focused on kisses and romantic angst. I keep thinking about this scene. "You are normal, we are nothing like you. And thank god, otherwise you'd all be dead." is so loving raw
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NikkolasKing posted:It's almost a shame the finale is monopolizing everyone's attention. And for those who aren't captivated by all the questions and emotions there, they're focused on kisses and romantic angst. I only know X-Men comics via osmosis around these parts and elsewhere on the internet but is it setting up his more militant era? This latest episode has definitely given him reason to be way less of an Xavier boyscout and go more aggressive.
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yea, the episode was overshadowed with the amazing second half, but Scott was super raw. Like I was ready to slam into him with the walk out last episodes, but I actually understand both sides of real Jean and Scott's anger and confusion. Do you actually love me, or am I just a lovely memory. Especially after that scene with Wolverine.
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Monaghan posted:Speaking as a current lawyer I would love to be a lawyer in comic book world. I can only imagine the hosed up precedents there would be. In Charles Soule's Daredevil run he had Matt Murdock go to the Supreme Court and (successfully!) argue that costumed vigilantes could testify in court mask on and everything. This later came into play when Daredevil accidentally kills a guy, then goes to jail for it and keeps the mask on the whole time. Marvel law is nuts. TwoPair fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Monaghan posted:Speaking as a current lawyer I would love to be a lawyer in comic book world. I can only imagine the hosed up precedents there would be. There's a great short arc in Astro City about exactly that, though Astro City in general has always been great about depicting a world where Superheroes are a thing and how that affects everyday life
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Lobok posted:I only know X-Men comics via osmosis around these parts and elsewhere on the internet but is it setting up his more militant era? This latest episode has definitely given him reason to be way less of an Xavier boyscout and go more aggressive. That was my thinking as well. (fellow non-Xpert here) But at the same time I think that might be going too far. I think it would be tantamount to saying you have to be Magneto or like him to have that reaction, and you don't. Scott has been through - and is going through - Hell and the woman was prying into his personal life, saying he was lying about not having a child. So he lost his temper, vaguely explaining the insanity of his life and how he does it all for a bunch of ungrateful assholes. You can stay good, upstanding and caring leader-man and still have moments of vulnerability like that. But who knows, it might be the first steps towards what I've been told is "Bendis Cyclops." (Bendis is a name I never heard very good things about when I paid attention to comics back in the late 2000s)
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Bendis was a great writer. Around here people just make fun of him for the way he writes dialogue, but he's written some of the best comics ever. People are split on his X-Men, but that was written way after his peak. I also wouldn't call it a Bendis Cyclops. Grant Morrison wrote a jaded Cyclops who was struggling to find his place (and eventually did at the end of the run) and then Whedon picked up and wrote him as a much more confident person than he had probably ever been before. Most writers followed that with an increasingly more hardline "do whatever it takes to survive" Cyclops until eventually he became a bad guy in Avengers vs. X-Men. This episode is a lot more Grant Morrison Cyclops than anything else.
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My favorite thing about Militant Cyclops was that it coincided with Wolverine at his absolute softest, as a peacable (by his standards) school headmaster. So you had the really wonderful character dynamic where each of them, after decades of butting heads, had finally been convinced that the other was right all along, stepped over the line to join him... and found that his counterpart had done the exact same thing at the exact same time, and viewed the other moving as a betrayal. That great "I don't want to hear this from you of all people!", in stereo, every time they argued. So, yeah, show's not ready for that yet. TwoPair posted:In Charles Soule's Daredevil run he had Matt Murdock go to the Supreme Court and (successfully!) argue that costumed vigilantes could testify in court mask on and everything. This later came into play when Daredevil accidentally kills a guy, then goes to jail for it and keeps the mask on the whole time. Marvel law is nuts. NikkolasKing posted:But who knows, it might be the first steps towards what I've been told is "Bendis Cyclops." (Bendis is a name I never heard very good things about when I paid attention to comics back in the late 2000s)
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CapnAndy posted:My favorite thing about Militant Cyclops was that it coincided with Wolverine at his absolute softest, as a peacable (by his standards) school headmaster. So you had the really wonderful character dynamic where each of them, after decades of butting heads, had finally been convinced that the other was right all along, stepped over the line to join him... and found that his counterpart had done the exact same thing at the exact same time, and viewed the other moving as a betrayal. That great "I don't want to hear this from you of all people!", in stereo, every time they argued. Bendis' Daredevil is the greatest long run of Daredevil that's ever existed and the ending worked perfectly to set up the next writer for something great (although supposedly Brubaker had to tell him "no go with the natural consequence with this, don't put all the toys back in the box")
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CapnAndy posted:My favorite thing about Militant Cyclops was that it coincided with Wolverine at his absolute softest, as a peacable (by his standards) school headmaster. So you had the really wonderful character dynamic where each of them, after decades of butting heads, had finally been convinced that the other was right all along, stepped over the line to join him... and found that his counterpart had done the exact same thing at the exact same time, and viewed the other moving as a betrayal. That great "I don't want to hear this from you of all people!", in stereo, every time they argued. This is why I plan to try and read some stuff from the 2000s leading up to Schism once I'm done with Krakoa. I've heard mixed things on how it's executed but it sounded really cool for the reasons you described. I remember thinking myself way back when "...X-23 is on the kill squad of mutants? That seems pretty hosed up to do to her, either by the writers or the characters." And I was told recently Wolverine himself calls Scott out on this so it was an intentionally hosed up move,, not just the writers being bad. So yeah, once I get done with Krakoa in however long that takes, gonna go back and maybe look into the Messiah Trilogy and stuff going into Schism and Wolverine and the X-Men. (which is a shockingly popular book from most accounts I've read. Then again, if you aren't a Cyclops fan, Jason Aaron seems much beloved)
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CapnAndy posted:Bendis is 2/3rds of a very good writer. He's great at setups, and he can keep a status quo going forever by entertainingly spinning his wheels and fooling the audience with one step forward, one step back storytelling. But he can't write an ending to save his life. Ultimate Spider-Man aside, all his runs end the same way: he either gets bored and wanders off or is forced out, and either he or the next writer up has to abruptly and anticlimactically wrap all his poo poo up in like one issue. Yeah, that seemed like the basic pattern for Powers' arcs.
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MorningMoon posted:I got big into reading marvel around the Marvel NOW! relaunch, so my first real-rear end Bendis besides Ultimate Spider-man was his Guardians of the Galaxy, and issue 1 read like a parody of Bendis Talk The most I remember from Guardians is Tony was there, I assume because movie, and he slept with Gamora but apparently it was really bad and she just up left which is kind of funny.
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Interview with directors of '97 They kinda echo my thoughts on it, that this isn't the first step of Militant Cyclops, just a good man who is tired of having to justify his very existence to people.
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