AEW Discussion for 4/10: That Young Knockout Kid Chris Hero

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COPE VS PENTA	44	59.46%
LIONHOOK SHIBATA VS STP	4	5.41%
OKADA VS A GUY	6	8.11%
MAY VS JAY	6	8.11%
JOE VS RHODES	14	18.92%
Total:	74 votes

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graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

Erin M. Fiasco posted:

Brian Cage and Big Bill did one match like this and it was very good. More of this please

i think they did two (maybe 3?) and it was so extremely over they had to kill it instantly because it was going to disrupt whatever

# ? Apr 12, 2024 19:48

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 08:23

Ganso Bomb: Oct 24, 2005; turn it all around

Kennel posted:

Pretty cool Mike Mansury interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE9NcPbaDk8

He wasn't a fan of red/blue set (too WWE)

This is neat so far, and he name dropped a guy I went to college with who now does production work for AEW. Caught me off guard for a second because I hadn�t heard his name in a while.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 19:56

Duke Pukem: Oct 23, 2010; Three cheers for dark beer!

graph posted:

i think they did two (maybe 3?) and it was so extremely over they had to kill it instantly because it was going to disrupt whatever

Yeah the standing doomsday device they did was great

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:19

Gavok: Oct 10, 2005; Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?

When Punk finally snaps and rants at Shawn Michaels:

StarkRavingMad posted:

what do you have against pink fuckboys

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:19

Ziggy Tzardust: Apr 7, 2006

Shard posted:

https://twitter.com/KXNGAO/status/1778591493394968774

Woah, Jack Perry! Bam ba lam!

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:25

A Fancy Hat: Nov 18, 2016; Always remember that the former President was dumber than the dumbest person you've ever met by a wide margin

Time to rename him the ScapeGOAT.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:38

Big Mouth Billy Basshole: Jun 18, 2007; Fun Shoe

graph posted:

i think they did two (maybe 3?) and it was so extremely over they had to kill it instantly because it was going to disrupt whatever

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# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:38

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
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graph posted:

i think they did two (maybe 3?) and it was so extremely over they had to kill it instantly because it was going to disrupt whatever

It�s one of the only times I�ve seen aew kill a unexpectedly over idea because it would interrupt other plans

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:45

JUNGLE BOY: Sep 23, 2019

the rumors about the evp stable being the young bucks with colt cabana and brandon cutler but turning out to be the young bucks with okada, a house of torture heel with irl heat, and probably ryback as their muscle, is an all time glow up

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:46

apophenium: Apr 14, 2009; Cry 'Mayhem!' and let slip the dogs of Wardlow.

I hope Juice Robinson and Jamie Hayter come back soon

Also excited to see Motor City Machine Guns appear at Dynasty. *holds up my right hand palm facing out so that it looks like Michigan without the Upper Peninsula and points with my index finger to the part on my right hand that would be Detroit, if you imagine that my right hand is a map of Michigan, sans the Upper Peninsula*

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:50

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

da yoop

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:56

Barry Bluejeans: Feb 2, 2017; ATTENTHUN THITIZENTH

JUNGLE BOY posted:

and probably ryback as their muscle

don't get my hopes up like that

# ? Apr 12, 2024 20:59

post hole digger: Mar 21, 2011

Barry Bluejeans posted:

don't get my hopes up like that

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:01

Erin M. Fiasco: Mar 21, 2013; Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!

gently caress yes I forgot MCMG are probably coming. God drat we are feasting. And we'll be feasting even more when THE BIG GUY, RYBACK, PUTS MEAT ON THE TABLE #FEEDMEMORE

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:04

Jiro: Jan 13, 2004

Pylons posted:

https://x.com/AllEliteKeeks/status/1778792310571979225

The comments in this Defector article: https://defector.com/aew-still-isnt-over-cm-punk about the footage shown and Bucks/FTR 4

is SO WEIRD, like I know SA is this isolated echo chamber, but at least there's, what I feel like, is a healthy amount of discourse and different opinions that to read elsewhere is just :psypop:

. And that's also because Riccaboni will sometimes poke his head in there to chime in on stuff.

For those that don't know Defector now only show's partial of the whole article.

Defector's Lauren Theisen posted:

In August of last year, during All Elite Wrestling's biggest show ever, the wrestler CM Punk got into a backstage fight with his coworker, Jack Perry, at Wembley Stadium in London. The fight led to Punk's firing from the promotion and his subsequent rehiring by WWE. In April of this year, this remains one of the biggest stories in wrestling�at least for AEW, which tried to steal back some attention after an all-consuming WrestleMania weekend by airing legitimate security footage of the Punk-Perry altercation on its flagship TV show, Dynamite, on Wednesday.

The storyline justification for airing this tape was flimsy. It was meant to further a tag team feud between FTR, good friends of Punk, and the Young Bucks, who've been completely swallowed by his drama for the past year-and-a-half. It also presumably set the table for the return of Perry, who's been exiled from the company ever since that Wembley show. The real reason for airing it was a recent interview Punk did with WWE hypeman Ariel Helwani. That interview was notable mostly for being very long, but it also featured some pointed criticism of AEW president Tony Khan as a pushover boss and Punk's own self-aggrandizing account of the Wembley confrontation with Perry, who'd made a little insider dig at him in the previous match.

The idea behind showing the clip on TV, presumably, was to ensure that Punk's portrayal of himself as the badass locker-room cop wasn't the only one on the public record. To some extent, I guess it accomplished that feat. AEW already seems to be trying to scrub it from the internet, including their own YouTube video of the segment, but here it is: a tense discussion, an attack by Punk, and then a quick separation.

The magic of internet tribalism and Wrestling Mindset have allowed fans to see whatever they want to see in the video. For those who dislike Punk, it's him being a petty little jerk with a short fuse, and trying to hurt a co-worker for no good reason. For his devotees, it's Punk behaving like a superstar by asserting his privilege after he was called out unscripted on camera by Perry. What everyone should be able to agree on is that nobody in All Elite Wrestling is helped by this footage airing on TV, over seven months later.

Wrestling's on-screen conflicts are often rooted in real-life stories known to the audience, but while Punk stays untouchable in WWE�he's making all these waves without even wrestling, due to injury�anyone interacting with him in AEW storylines is fighting a ghost. No sellable, tangible match can come of it, because Punk doesn't work there anymore. Tony Khan, meanwhile, looks like a goofball, because he said after Punk's firing that he feared for his life at this show, and the footage he's now chosen to air doesn't remotely support that. Plus, the whole fictional kayfabe universe of AEW has taken a hit, because Dynamite and their other programs include backstage attacks all the time. To call attention to the artificiality of those performances by contrasting them with a real fight only gives fans less of a reason to care. (Yes, people know pro wrestling is "fake," but they hide the wires and the green screens in movies for a reason. There are rules, or anyway best practices, to all this.)

A lot of wrestling history/mythology is based on the idea of The One Moment That Changed Everything�something like Austin 3:16, or Tony Schiavone's "butts in seats" remark�that caused audiences to shift their allegiance in droves and at once. That kind of storytelling glosses over how television usually works. It's a medium built on the comfort of habits and routine�of football on Sundays and Raw on Mondays and, for the last four-and-a-half years, Dynamite on Wednesdays. It's also a medium built on forgiveness; rarely does one bad episode cause a fan to swear off a show for good.

Change doesn't typically happen at that mythic scale and speed. But every measurable number points to the fact that AEW has gradually lost support since its peak in late 2021/early 2022, and especially over the last several months. It's still a huge success by the standards of a No. 2 wrestling company, or cable television in general in 2024. But as WWE's line goes up, AEW's is going down, and there's no guarantee that it'll stop at some floor. Everyone who cares about this stuff has their own explanation for why, which includes some mixture of inconsistent long-term storytelling, burnout brought on by expansion, and WWE fixing its flaws enough that audiences no longer demand an alternative.

But the decision to show footage of the Punk fight is both novel enough and stupid enough that, if the decline continues, it could rise above all explanations and become, symbolically if not actually, the decision that brought about AEW's downfall. I don't think that's the case, but I do know that, even if the promotion of the footage brought in curious viewers for a night, it won't make them stick around to see what comes next without Punk actually there to participate in any storylines. If AEW can't stop the bleeding, it won't be because of CM Punk. It'll be because nobody telling AEW's stories could come up with anything more compelling than talking about a thing that a former employee did last year.

Jiro fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Apr 12, 2024

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:11

Pylons: Mar 16, 2009

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:14

Barry Bluejeans: Feb 2, 2017; ATTENTHUN THITIZENTH

not to call out anybody in particular, but I would really appreciate it if we could keep links to lovely worthless articles (on any topic) contained to the bad takes thread

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:14

rantmo: Jul 30, 2003; A smile better suits a hero

They are going to hit each other very hard and that is going to be very exciting.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:15

MassRafTer: May 26, 2001; BAEST MODE!!!

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

Tony, the free TV complainers do not deserve an Athena match, please unbook this.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:16

apophenium: Apr 14, 2009; Cry 'Mayhem!' and let slip the dogs of Wardlow.

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

Athena's finally out of the ROH doghouse, you love to see it

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:21

illcendiary: Dec 4, 2005; Damn, this is good coffee.

Jiro posted:

The comments in this Defector article: https://defector.com/aew-still-isnt-over-cm-punk about the footage shown and Bucks/FTR 4

is SO WEIRD, like I know SA is this isolated echo chamber, but at least there's, what I feel like, is a healthy amount of discourse and different opinions that to read elsewhere is just . And that's also because Riccaboni will sometimes poke his head in there to chime in on stuff.

The top-level comments are pretty well thought-out and reasoned, and are willing to call out Lauren Thiesen (who is a very good writer across multiple sports and topics). Obviously the replies to those comments are going to be mostly drivel. But if you sort by Most Replies it�s a decent set of discussion points (a lot of which I disagree with, but at least they�re well-articulated and non trolly).

illcendiary fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Apr 12, 2024

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:21

Eat My Fuc: May 29, 2007

Finally Athena on Dynamite it�s like Tony found his brain with this card so far

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:22

Jiro: Jan 13, 2004

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

I'm always down for Red Velvet doing cool rear end poo poo and selling everything like Death, but I am really ready for her to start really winning and getting a belt, more than Queen Aminata.

illcendiary posted:

The top-level comments are pretty well thought-out and reasoned, and are willing to call out Lauren Thiesen (who is a very good writer across multiple sports and topics). Obviously the replies to those comments are going to be mostly drivel. But if you sort by Most Replies it�s a decent set of discussion points (a lot of which I disagree with, but at least they�re well-articulated and non trolly).

Yeah that's what I appreciate about Defector for the most part, they just really need like two dedicated writers that are pro wrestling fans that are all about good analytical pieces about Pro Wrestling.

Jiro fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Apr 12, 2024

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:24

Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

sick

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:28

Majinfoose: Jul 26, 2007; HOLY SHIT
This vegan brisket is bussin

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

AW poo poo

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:33

Kennel: May 1, 2008; BAWWW-UNH!

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

Heck yeah!

Also Miro is... redeemed? (and injured)

quote:

Tony's great, man. He's creative, his mind is running always, he always thinks about wrestling, he's always thinking about how to get things better. So I respect that. I respect that he loves wrestling - he did all his life. And now he's carried that to the second or one of the biggest companies in the world.

quote:

I have a shoulder injury and an elbow injury that occurred late last year, so finally took care of it late January. Got a whole bunch of shots and now I'm recovering, rehabbing, and come back stronger than ever.

https://www.f4wonline.com/news/aew/miro-gives-injury-update-talks-working-with-tony-khan

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:46

CatelynIsAZombie: Nov 16, 2006; I can't wait to bomb DO-DON-GOES!

rantmo posted:

They are going to hit each other very hard and that is going to be very exciting.

I will cheer the loudest when they hit the guys I hate

rotinaj posted:

When you beat one of ornstein and smough, the other destroys and absorbs the first one and that just ain�t gonna work for miro, brother

nice try phil, but it would take 8 or more ftrs combined to even conceive of such a feat and the punkiverse just doesnt have that kind of firepower

Quantum of Phallus posted:

but... Miro IS a fed plant

Your fed brain is thinking of rusev, the man who died many years ago. Miro is and always has been a free man.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:55

Quantum of Phallus: Dec 27, 2010

there's a dude in NXT who has a Tony Soprano gimmick who looks so much like a young Miro that it's insane

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:56

graph: Nov 22, 2006; aaag peanuts

yeah thats eddie spaghetti (i dont think he looks like a young miro at all though)

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:57

Erin M. Fiasco: Mar 21, 2013; Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!

Pylons posted:

https://twitter.com/TonyKhan/status/1778878796600353170

I HATE YOU TONY

LIKE I LOVE YOU FOR THIS MATCH BUT YOU KNEW I WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO GO

:argh:

# ? Apr 12, 2024 21:57

STING 64: Oct 20, 2006

MassRafTer posted:

Tony, the free TV complainers do not deserve an Athena match, please unbook this.

I too am disappointed he gave in

# ? Apr 12, 2024 22:07

Shard: Jul 30, 2005

I'm excited to see miro wrestle again and I hope he wrestles more often because I enjoy when he does

# ? Apr 12, 2024 22:41

Open Marriage Night: Sep 18, 2009; "Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"

apophenium posted:

*holds up my right hand palm facing out so that it looks like Michigan without the Upper Peninsula and points with my index finger to the part on my right hand that would be Detroit, if you imagine that my right hand is a map of Michigan, sans the Upper Peninsula*

Tony should do a show there. It's been almost a year.

# ? Apr 12, 2024 22:47

Most Power Alex: Sep 2, 2023

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

# ? Apr 12, 2024 22:53

Paper Lion: Dec 14, 2009

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:07

Alpha Kenny Juan: Apr 11, 2007

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:11

Majinfoose: Jul 26, 2007; HOLY SHIT
This vegan brisket is bussin

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:12

STING 64: Oct 20, 2006

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

lol

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:16

Erin M. Fiasco: Mar 21, 2013; Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

We finally have a sequel to Abyss and his Dangerous Pit... blessed timeline

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:17

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# ? Jun 5, 2024 08:23

fez_machine: Nov 27, 2004

Most Power Alex posted:

So glad AEW brought back the silent movies.

https://dwbmg3bb2apkf.cloudfront.ne...T5WQLLEOADKLHBQ

epic rereg (positive)

# ? Apr 12, 2024 23:32

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