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Hot Diggity! posted:If Tom is moved to center then I'd question the sanity of the FO. Myers isn't the answer, but Tom is way too good to be put there. Our best OL player is currently sitting at left guard even though he's a very good left tackle. I don't know if the team necessarily thinks the same way we do about tackles vs. interior, especially nowadays with defensive tackles becoming more of a pass pressuring threat.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I don't know if the team necessarily thinks the same way we do about tackles vs. interior, especially nowadays with defensive tackles becoming more of a pass pressuring threat. That evaluation could change after losing a running back who was exceptional in helping out with pass protection. For everything else that Josh Jacobs offers, I’m not sure he can beat that part of Aaron Jones’ game.
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Dexo posted:I would extremely trade a second next year to move up to get MHJ or Odunze. I agree with this. Houston gave up a lot but they were trading up to 3 from 12. Going from 9 to 6 or 7 shouldn't cost much, relatively, and any of the top 3 WRs are worth the cost because you're not gonna see talent like that where you're picking next year.
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Niwrad posted:If they're off the board and no one blows them away, I'm more than happy to trade down. Especially if JJ McCarthy is still on the board (think this is doubtful though) or a desperate team wants to trade up for Bo Nix . Grab someone like Fautanu, Latu. or Verse in the middle of the first and pick up some draft capital later. There's a lot of really good players in that 10-20 range at positions the Bears need that I'd be more than happy with. The Broncos-Saints-Raiders run from 12-14 seems like the sweet spot for a trade down to me. Ideally one of those teams is stupid high on Penix or Nix and is willing to pay a QB premium to move up a few spots, but even if they aren't, I feel like there's a decent chance the Saints or Raiders will want to position themselves to grab their favored tackle prospect
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Dexo posted:I would extremely trade a second next year to move up to get MHJ or Odunze. If the Chargers want a future 2nd for MHJ at 5 I’m crying in the streets
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:I doubt MHJ is going to still be on the board past Arizona at 4. This could be the year Top 4 picks are all QB's.
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I would absolutely give up next years first to move up to 4. Walking away with the two best players in the draft would be a coup. I also think Fashanu is a guy the Bears are looking at strongly. A lot of projections have him and Altrsred similarly and staying at 9 and taking a tackle wouldn't be the worst unless one of the top three WRs are there.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:This could be the year Top 4 picks are all QB's. I think all us Bears fans, and a lot of fans of other teams, are salivating over a bunch of QBs going high. I'm fearful the reality will be Daniels and McCarthy falling just like many have fallen before (Rodgers), and the top nonQB talent getting snagged. With the QBs falling, no one will want to trade up, and it'll stink. I feel like worst case for a lot of teams would be something like this top ten Bears Williams commanders Maye Pats MHJ Cardinals Nabers Chargers Odunze Giants Turner Titans Alt Falcons Fashanu Bears Fatanu Jets Bowers
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I don't think QBs are going to fall. This class is better than the Lawrence/Fields class. I think the buzz around Penix and Nix is just false, but people have been raving about Daniels and JJM and that hype hasn't died down. It is a good indicator. Minnesota and Denver both need quarterbacks and I think they are targeting similar guys. If Daniels does go at 2, I think the Vikings are trading up to 3 for Maye. If Maye goes at 2, Vikings will trade up with the Cardinals or Chargers to secure JJM or Daniels and jump the Broncos. They didn't get a second first in this draft to stay pat. I'm not sure 4 QBs will go top ten, but three definitely will.
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I would not give up a first next year to move up 5ish spots.
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I think if Maye and McCarthy go before the Vikings first pick they're going to be in a really tough spot. I didn't watch a lot of CFB this year but everything I've read about Daniels screams disaster to me. On the other hand they can't really pass up an opportunity to at least take a swing at a top QB
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Dexo posted:I would not give up a first next year to move up 5ish spots. Thankfully you're not Ryan Pace
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Dexo posted:I would not give up a first next year to move up 5ish spots. If it guaranteed MHJ, I'd have no problem with it. I'd prefer a second, but I'll pay extra for a guy like that.
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Sataere posted:If it guaranteed MHJ, I'd have no problem with it. I'd prefer a second, but I'll pay extra for a guy like that. Next year's WR draft class is pretty weak, so I think a lot of teams are going to want to trade up for MHJ/Nabers/Odunze. It's probably going to cost a king's ransom to move up to a top 5 pick. I'd rather the Bears grab Caleb at 1 and then just best available at 9, who is guaranteed to be someone elite in a position the Bears need.
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it's the NFL draft! we have no idea if someone is going to be "elite" or not!
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R.D. Mangles posted:it's the NFL draft! we have no idea if someone is going to be "elite" or not! Yes and no. Some guys are safer than others. I think MHJ and Odunze are the safest picks in this draft.
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R.D. Mangles posted:it's the NFL draft! we have no idea if someone is going to be "elite" or not! It’s the NFL draft, every player is elite and will be until halfway through season 1
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Sataere posted:Yes and no. Some guys are safer than others. I think MHJ and Odunze are the safest picks in this draft. There is no such thing as safe in the NFL draft.
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Sataere posted:Yes and no. Some guys are safer than others. I think MHJ and Odunze are the safest picks in this draft. I'd put Joe Alt and Malik Nabers as safe bets too, barring injury
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Shmtur posted:There is no such thing as safe in the NFL draft. I remember Aaron Curry and Jason Smith being lauded as the safe picks in 2009.
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Sammy Watkins was considered like near a perfect prospect
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I think more often than not, the guys who are surefire hit.
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Sataere posted:I think more often than not, the guys who are surefire hit. Incorrect. We just don't remember them Like Clowney was considered one. And like he's been fine-good as a second edge but not someone who you would have felt good about giving a first up for.
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The Vikings would have to give up a billion first rounders if Maye is there at 3 for the Pats to give him up. Just don’t see the Pats trading and if they do, it would be like with the Giants so they can still nab a blue chipper. I think the Vikings stay in their spot and then draft Nix or Penix with their second first rounder, which they may even still need to move up on but that would be way easier. Hand Row fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Hand Row posted:The Vikings would have to give up a billion first rounders if Maye is there at 3 for the Pats to give him up. Just don’t see the Pats trading and if they do, it would be like with the Giants so they can still nab a blue chipper. Vikings the last couple of years have tried trading up and been unable to for their guys. Vikings aren't going to settle for the 5th best quarterback in the class.
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Dexo posted:Sammy Watkins was considered like near a perfect prospect Remember that time he burned Richard Sherman? That was cool.
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MJeff posted:Remember that time he burned Richard Sherman? That was cool. Well I'm the best corner in the game. When you try me with a sorry receiver like.......Watkins..... that's the result your gonna get!
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Sataere posted:Vikings the last couple of years have tried trading up and been unable to for their guys. Vikings aren't going to settle for the 5th best quarterback in the class. Sure but you are probably talking about having to trade a ton for the fourth qb in McCarthy. Is he a guy you want to give up a ton for and also is he actually better than Penix? I don’t see how the Vikings could put together a package that the Patriots would accept, especially if it is Maye sitting there. It would need to be a better package than the Bears got last year as the Patriots have no quarterback and it would drop them farther down than the Bears did, plus drops the Pats out of the top tier of players in this draft. Even if the Vikings offered a bounty of first rounders, they wouldn’t be good first rounders as the Vikings should be a playoff or near playoff team with a solid qb. And the Bears also got a mid 20s WR1 in the deal. So you are talking yourself into McCarthy while competing against teams around you for his rights like Denver, who will be even more desperate and irrational than the Vikings. I guess you gotta really love McCarthy, which I don’t so I would just go with Penix without sacrificing the farm yet.
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Hand Row posted:Sure but you are probably talking about having to trade a ton for the fourth qb in McCarthy. Is he a guy you want to give up a ton for and also is he actually better than Penix? Seems like the going theory amongst the pods I listen to is that the Pats have nothing, so why pick a QB when you have massive holes everywhere? Trade down for a haul so you can flush out a roster then get a QB after.
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Hand Row posted:Sure but you are probably talking about having to trade a ton for the fourth qb in McCarthy. Is he a guy you want to give up a ton for and also is he actually better than Penix? I am going to laugh my rear end off when some team picks JJ unless it's Minnesota in which case I'm going to go stare at a wall.
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SirPablo posted:Seems like the going theory amongst the pods I listen to is that the Pats have nothing, so why pick a QB when you have massive holes everywhere? Trade down for a haul so you can flush out a roster then get a QB after. A lot of people seem convinced that this is what the Pats should do but I’m not really convinced it’s what they will do. Having a top 3 pick in a class with 3 legit prospects isn’t an opportunity that comes around often and building a roster without a QB just gets you to where the Vikings are, on the outside looking in and hoping someone drops or that you can make a trade so you aren’t stuck starting Sam Darnold.
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Hey remember kevin white? The second wr taken in 2015.
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ZombieCrew posted:Hey remember kevin white? The second wr taken in 2015. tbf his injuries murdered any chance he had.
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Yeah every "sure thing" has a Greg Oden clause attached.
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:Yeah every "sure thing" has a Greg Oden clause attached. The Greg Oden draft is still wild to me because dude was 19 going on 40 and everyone just kind of pretended that wasn’t the case.
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