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Apologies if it’s semi off topic but name a greater love story than Germany and learning lessons from history, but apparently the wrong ones. Police shut down pro-Palestinian gathering in Germany over hate speech fears
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https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1779078116045930824 Ship was owned by an Israeli billionaire. What a perfidious act of piracy with absolutely no possible motivation beyond piratical greed...is what I would say if I were dumber than a sack of hammers.
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Apr 13, 2024 11:51
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I think you'll find it was flying a Portuguese flag, which is the only value that matters in determining ownership.
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Apr 13, 2024 13:04
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teen witch posted:Apologies if it’s semi off topic but name a greater love story than Germany and learning lessons from history, but apparently the wrong ones. On a related note https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/europe/israeli-holocaust-germany-payout-october-7-intl/index.html quote:Germany will provide a one-time payment of $236 (€220) to Holocaust survivors, to help them cope with the impacts of the Hamas-led October 7 attacks in southern Israel. This is just a random cash handout out of guilt. I'm doubtful that most of the recipients were impacted in any financial way by the attacks.
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Apr 13, 2024 14:18
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Marenghi posted:I think you'll find it was flying a Portuguese flag, which is the only value that matters in determining ownership. Israeli FM carping Iran is not respecting international law. I'd film a response from the wrecked diplomatic compound.
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Apr 13, 2024 14:26
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Fidelitious posted:This is just a random cash handout out of guilt. I'm doubtful that most of the recipients were impacted in any financial way by the attacks. Isn't there a thing where Israel pockets some of the reparations Germany pays to Holocaust victims living there?
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Apr 13, 2024 14:42
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Marenghi posted:Isn't there a thing where Israel pockets some of the reparations Germany pays to Holocaust victims living there? Germany doesn't pay Holocaust survivors directly. Instead they pay Israel, and the Claims Conference. Israel has at least on occasion in recent years held onto that money for itself. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/B1g1vIdav posted:Israel’s government, however, appears to offset the increase in the stipends transferred by the Germans from the monthly payments the state itself transfers to the survivors, in an alleged attempt to save money for the Treasury. So Germany increased payments to Holocaust survivors, and then Israel decreased its own payments to survivors to compensate. That turned what should have been a payment from Germany to Holocaust survivors into a payment from Germany to Israel's state budget. Many Holocaust survivors live in poverty. Israel using some of the money for its own purposes, and there being multiple layers of middlemen (Who are legally or illegally reducing the efficiency of these transfers) involved in the payments from Germany seem like related factors. Fidelitious posted:This is just a random cash handout out of guilt. I think there is a case to be made that guilt is not necessarily the driving factor in how Germany treats Israel, and if you're of a materialist bent, you might find the other reasons for Germany to support Israel more compelling. There's a post attempting to summarize that article here (though note that some bits in that post are taken from elsewhere, so I'd encourage reading the original article yourself). Esran fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Apr 13, 2024 17:31
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Esran posted:Germany doesn't pay Holocaust survivors directly. Instead they pay Israel, and the Claims Conference. Of all the people to steal money off, thats loving discusting.
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Apr 13, 2024 17:38
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The country is busy stealing land and resources from it's neighbors via quasi-state and State actors. Garnishing pensions for a quick burst of forex seems quaint in comparison.
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Apr 13, 2024 17:45
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Marenghi posted:I think you'll find it was flying a Portuguese flag, which is the only value that matters in determining ownership. The charter party is the one that really matters it’s MSC which is Swiss headquartered. They’ve notably never hit a ZIM chartered vessel.
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Apr 13, 2024 19:16
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Bar Ran Dun posted:The charter party is the one that really matters it’s MSC which is Swiss headquartered. Seems like the ships is owned by an Israeli billionaire. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/ukmto-receives-report-incident-50nm-northeast-uaes-fujairah-2024-04-13/ quote:MSC leases the Aries from Gortal Shipping, an affiliate of Zodiac Maritime, Zodiac said in a statement, adding that MSC is responsible for all the vessel's activities. Zodiac is partly owned by Israeli businessman Eyal Ofer.
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Apr 13, 2024 20:55
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This is like the slowest attack you can do https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1779232573979246865
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punishedkissinger posted:Seems like the ships is owned by an Israeli billionaire. The owner doesn’t operate or control what the vessel does. The charter, MSC does. It’s an MSC vessel. The steamship line is the party with the power in the relationship. I’m just saying they’ve yet to do anything to the vessels with the Zionist symbols giant and painted in white on the sides. The Red Sea is about Saudi. Its pressure to keep them from normalizing with the Israelis.
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Apr 13, 2024 21:04
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FlamingLiberal posted:This is like the slowest attack you can do Wouldn't these all get shot down pretty quickly? Is Iran just trying to save face here?
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Cosmik Slop posted:Wouldn't these all get shot down pretty quickly? Is Iran just trying to save face here? In theory, you launch the cruise missiles and ballistics missiles later so they all arrive at the samr time and there are too many targets for the air defenses to destroy. We'll see if they do that.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:04
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It does seem that they're doing a simultaneous missile launch. https://twitter.com/ynetalerts/status/1779244998665384045 quote:The Iranian attack: Cruise missiles were also launched at Israel Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Apr 13, 2024 |
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Apr 13, 2024 22:06
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OctaMurk posted:In theory, you launch the cruise missiles and ballistics missiles later so they all arrive at the samr time and there are too many targets for the air defenses to destroy. We'll see if they do that. This, plus shooting at the drones can at the same time give Iran specific locations of air defense systems to shoot at if there are any specific systems they do not already have the locations for.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:14
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It's been very poorly covered by western media, but things have apparently been (more) insane in the West Bank over the last couple of days. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/israeli-photographer-beaten-by-settlers-while-trying-to-document-rampage-of-palestinian-town/ Dozens of people gravely injured and a couple of confirmed palestinian fatalities. Could get even worse now, with all eyes on the Iranian response and now the wait for the response to the response.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:25
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Sephyr posted:It's been very poorly covered by western media, but things have apparently been (more) insane in the West Bank over the last couple of days. The injuries to journalists might be giving it legs, I've been seeing it pop up in relatively-normal-person media.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:28
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:This, plus shooting at the drones can at the same time give Iran specific locations of air defense systems to shoot at if there are any specific systems they do not already have the locations for. I'm not sure how many batteries are fixed, but I'm not sure Iran has the ability to detect air defense sites in that way?
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https://twitter.com/yanisvaroufakis/status/1779138753061068918 Why do we still have Germany.
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khwarezm posted:
"NATO exists to keep the Soviet Union out, the Americans in, and the Germans down." - Lord Hastings Lionel Ismay, first general secretary of NATO.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:36
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Iran attacking Israel from their own territory is a pretty bold move and has never happened before. It's pretty bad because Israel might retaliate and attack Iran somehow.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:42
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Doesn't Israel already attack Iran all the time?
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V-Men posted:I'm not sure how many batteries are fixed, but I'm not sure Iran has the ability to detect air defense sites in that way? Dunno if they are coordinating for it, but they can and it's possible. Mechafunkzilla posted:Doesn't Israel already attack Iran all the time? Yes, this is in response to the 1 April attack on an Iranian embassy.
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Apr 13, 2024 22:50
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https://x.com/Global_Mil_Info/status/1779261989983785243
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Doesn't Israel already attack Iran all the time? Does Israel attack Iranian military personnel all over the Middle East in places like Syria, Lebanon, etc. Yes. But Israel has never attacked Iran itself to the best of my knowledge. Unless you count cyber attacks.
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Charliegrs posted:Does Israel attack Iranian military personnel all over the Middle East in places like Syria, Lebanon, etc. Yes. But Israel has never attacked Iran itself to the best of my knowledge. Unless you count cyber attacks. They’ve taken direct and indirect action against nuclear facilities over the years. Some full on air assaults and in recent years more covert attacks launched from inside Iran.
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Charliegrs posted:Does Israel attack Iranian military personnel all over the Middle East in places like Syria, Lebanon, etc. Yes. But Israel has never attacked Iran itself to the best of my knowledge. Unless you count cyber attacks. I suppose you believe that the nuclear scientists and engineers killed on Jan 12, 2010, Nov 29, 2010, July 23, 2011, Nov 27 2020, May 31 2022 and June 2 2022 were assassinated by pixies; that the Mossad team that broke into an Iranian military archive in 2018 was actually a group of bigfoots; that the Natanz bombings in 2020 and 2021 were carried out by Nessie; that the drone attack in Karaj in 2021 was under the authority of the Baba Yaga; that the drone attack against a military base on Feb 14 2022 near Kermanshah was ordered by the mothman; that the kidnapping of Mansour Raouli in 2022 was done by a wendigo who also just happened to air video of his forced confession on Israeli state TV; that the assassination of Hassan Kodaei in 2022 was a hit by the jersey devil; that the drone attack against a factory in Parchin on May 25 2022 was done by rogue jackalopes; and that the drone strike on a military base in Isfahan on Jan 28 2023 was the responsibility of yowies
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Charliegrs posted:Does Israel attack Iranian military personnel all over the Middle East in places like Syria, Lebanon, etc. Yes. But Israel has never attacked Iran itself to the best of my knowledge. Unless you count cyber attacks. Do assassinations count? Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:They’ve taken direct and indirect action against nuclear facilities over the years. Some full on air assaults and in recent years more covert attacks launched from inside Iran. Wait, what? Air assaults? When did that happen?
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The Oldest Man posted:I suppose you believe that the nuclear scientists and engineers killed on Jan 12, 2010, Nov 29, 2010, July 23, 2011, Nov 27 2020, May 31 2022 and June 2 2022 were assassinated by pixies; that the Mossad team that broke into an Iranian military archive in 2018 was actually a group of bigfoots; that the Natanz bombings in 2020 and 2021 were carried out by Nessie; that the drone attack in Karaj in 2021 was under the authority of the Baba Yaga; that the drone attack against a military base on Feb 14 2022 near Kermanshah was ordered by the mothman; that the kidnapping of Mansour Raouli in 2022 was done by a wendigo who also just happened to air video of his forced confession on Israeli state TV; that the assassination of Hassan Kodaei in 2022 was a hit by the jersey devil; that the drone attack against a factory in Parchin on May 25 2022 was done by rogue jackalopes; and that the drone strike on a military base in Isfahan on Jan 28 2023 was the responsibility of yowies are you ok dude
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I guess I should have been more specific. I'm not aware of any Israeli airstrikes (by warplanes) or missile attacks on Iranian territory. And we could potentially see that as retaliation for this attack by Iran.
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Charliegrs posted:I guess I should have been more specific. I'm not aware of any Israeli airstrikes (by warplanes) or missile attacks on Iranian territory. And we could potentially see that as retaliation for this attack by Iran. The consulate in Damascus they exploded earlier?
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Apr 13, 2024 23:54
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raverrn posted:The consulate in Damascus they exploded earlier? so to be pedantic and get ahead of it, Iranian territory but not the iranian homeland
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Charliegrs posted:I guess I should have been more specific. I'm not aware of any Israeli airstrikes (by warplanes) or missile attacks on Iranian territory. And we could potentially see that as retaliation for this attack by Iran. They've done a number of suicide drone attacks, with the only meaningful distinction being that the drones were launched from inside Iranian airspace and had comparatively lighter payloads. There is also the whole 'blowing up their embasssy' thing which you could argue is Iranian territory (We sure as gently caress would if someone did it to us)
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Tatsuta Age posted:so to be pedantic and get ahead of it, Iranian territory but not the iranian homeland That's a difference without a meaning. Shooting embassies has pretty much always been an act of war.
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Apr 14, 2024 00:04
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In my estimation, it seems that Iran was handed the right to retaliate by Israel
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V-Men posted:Do assassinations count? I take that back. I think I’m conflating Osirak, which was somewhat bizarrely almost an overall joint Iranian / Israeli action.
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EDIT: nm. they did
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Charliegrs posted:Iran attacking Israel from their own territory is a pretty bold move and has never happened before. It's pretty bad because Israel might retaliate and attack Iran somehow. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/13/israel-under-fire-as-iran-launches-extensive-drone-strikes Looks like Netanyahu might get the war with Iran he's craved for years. The obvious questions now is what Israel's response will be and to what extent the US is prepared to get involved (Biden has re-iterated his support but there's a big difference between just helping to intercept Iranian attacks and actually prosecuting the war on Israel's behalf). Dandywalken posted:Did the missiles land yet?
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