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Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


mila kunis posted:

a communist hereditary monarchy seems like the ultimate synthesis of frosted flake thought

https://twitter.com/BlackRedGuard1/status/1778934307316191362?t=XFqYaTtf3WzmhiAAQBhXjQ&s=19

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

France lost one war unexpectedly and the Americans run with it forever.

I didn't say they don't win wars, I was implying that for the French, looking good comes first

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


Poland was considered one of the most committed members of Warsaw Pact, and the Polish military was entrusted with the toughest missions, both in '68 and in a theoretical clash with NATO. I have no idea why because basically everything you will see published in English is about how the Polish people yearned for freedom under Jewish Soviet tyranny.

Obviously I agree with his part about Socialism under the English Monarch. In fact, I suppose you could say I'm something of a Stalinist myself.

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

the UK was a hop skip and a jump from instituting socialism lmao.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Tankbuster posted:

the UK was a hop skip and a jump from instituting socialism lmao.

I've been wanting to post about this, but there was a moment, from the 60's to the late 70's, when it seemed like the UK was going to graciously transition into a Social Democracy, perhaps even a Socialist state, while quitting Empire. The forces of reaction that supported Thatcher had help from the City, though, and the Americans, so there was always going to be a rollback, unless the English people were willing to fight to stop them. For a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand, the British public in the 60's and 70's assumed that things could only get better, and none of what they had could be taken away from them, so there was not much of a fight.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

famously he smoked the shittiest tobacco in all of the ussr lol

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

e: wrong thread

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Iran seized a cargo ship owned by an Israeli billionaire, to remind everyone that they do control the Strait of Hormuz. And the US is, of course, whinging about it.

https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1779078116045930824
https://twitter.com/kann_news/status/1779087207438962720
https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1779081731598938223

quote:

Iran must release seized ship ‘immediately’: Washington

The White House has called on Iran to immediately release the ship it seized near the Strait of Hormuz.

The vessel has been identified as the Portugal-flagged MSC Aries, which reportedly departed from a port in the United Arab Emirates en route to India.

It is associated with the London-based Zodiac Maritime, a part of the Zodiac Group run by Israeli billionaire Eyal Ofer and his family.

“We call on Iran to release the vessel and its international crew immediately,” said National Security Council spokesperson Adrienne Watson.

“Seizing a civilian vessel without provocation is a blatant violation of international law, and an act of piracy by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.”

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

better blow up a consulate about it

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Boat Stuck posted:

God drat, what a baller. Insulted his examiners to their faces and the examiners basically agreed that the insult was appropriate.
lmao stunting on bertrand russell and russell saying "yeah, got me" (which he basically said his entire life, even though he was thoroughly irritated by Wittgenstein)

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I've been wanting to post about this, but there was a moment, from the 60's to the late 70's, when it seemed like the UK was going to graciously transition into a Social Democracy, perhaps even a Socialist state, while quitting Empire. The forces of reaction that supported Thatcher had help from the City, though, and the Americans, so there was always going to be a rollback, unless the English people were willing to fight to stop them. For a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand, the British public in the 60's and 70's assumed that things could only get better, and none of what they had could be taken away from them, so there was not much of a fight.

As general prosperity rises people tend to think themselves as part of the petit bourgeoisie. The material reality becomes secondary to cultural grievances.
The same thing happened at a massive level when the indian government instituted WPA style public works projects. General prosperity rose enough that the labour market started to shrink in the unskilled department. People used their new money to buy televisions/fridges and thought themselves as successful entrepeneurs because they were selling cucumbers from their plot allotments. They turned on their TV and their parasocial friend in the idiotbox told them that the government was corrupt and modi would be better for business minded folks like them.

Now they are fighting each other over spilt grain from ration trucks.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I've been wanting to post about this, but there was a moment, from the 60's to the late 70's, when it seemed like the UK was going to graciously transition into a Social Democracy, perhaps even a Socialist state, while quitting Empire. The forces of reaction that supported Thatcher had help from the City, though, and the Americans, so there was always going to be a rollback, unless the English people were willing to fight to stop them. For a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand, the British public in the 60's and 70's assumed that things could only get better, and none of what they had could be taken away from them, so there was not much of a fight.

This is pretty much the story of the end of communism in East Germany as well. People thought they were going to get all the luxury poo poo and fifty brands of cereal to choose from they were seeing in the West but would keep all the things they liked about communism.

quote:

For a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand,

for all the noise and bluster about information control and propaganda and the police state in socialist countries, capitalism's great strength as a method of political economy against workers and humanity in general has been the degree to which its competence at systematic deceit and coercion exceeds the ability of people to see through or withstand it

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

jetz0r posted:

Iran seized a cargo ship owned by an Israeli billionaire, to remind everyone that they do control the Strait of Hormuz. And the US is, of course, whinging about it.

https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1779078116045930824


drat, look how low their side rail adapters fit and they have an extra rail on the side for a cqb reddot. invincible, it's folly to stand against them

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


The Voice of Labor posted:

drat, look how low their side rail adapters fit and they have an extra rail on the side for a cqb reddot. invincible, it's folly to stand against them

and their optics aren't mounted backwards!

corona familiar
Aug 13, 2021


some similar military ceremony is going to happen between China and another country and the Guardian is going to lose their loving minds

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

hearing that world war 3 is underway now and the US is losing it

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

The Oldest Man posted:

hearing that world war 3 is underway now and the US is losing it

It's going to be like five hours before the drones hit. I was promised that WW3 would be over so fast that I wouldn't even notice it.

jetz0r
May 10, 2003

Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination, but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.



Rudeboy Detective posted:

and their optics aren't mounted backwards!


op, pls nerf

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

The Oldest Man posted:

hearing that world war 3 is underway now and the US is losing it

Many are saying this, and they should

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I've been wanting to post about this, but there was a moment, from the 60's to the late 70's, when it seemed like the UK was going to graciously transition into a Social Democracy, perhaps even a Socialist state, while quitting Empire. The forces of reaction that supported Thatcher had help from the City, though, and the Americans, so there was always going to be a rollback, unless the English people were willing to fight to stop them. For a bunch of reasons I don't quite understand, the British public in the 60's and 70's assumed that things could only get better, and none of what they had could be taken away from them, so there was not much of a fight.

i remember seeing a vid of one of those labour conferences from the 60s/70s and basically communists in all but name up on stage (they probably weren't in the wing that ran the party though). unimaginable today

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

mila kunis posted:

i remember seeing a vid of one of those labour conferences from the 60s/70s and basically communists in all but name up on stage (they probably weren't in the wing that ran the party though). unimaginable today

That's why the reaction under Thatcher was so intense, destroying the British economy and civil society was worth it to them.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





The Oldest Man posted:

hearing that world war 3 is underway now and the US is losing it

it's nearly been an hour, they should just hurry tf up and lose already

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/IranObserver0/status/1779252868756775323?t=g16_Eq-Zvmux9cYvaWuIOg&s=19

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


https://aje.io/wn56df?update=2834654

quote:

Netanyahu has convened Israeli war cabinet

The office of the Israeli prime minister says that the war cabinet has convened at military headquarters in Tel Aviv.

This comes shortly after Iran said that it has begun an attack on Israeli territory with drones and cruise missiles.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


that same picture has been reported as from three different cities

Mandel Brotset
Jan 1, 2024

I hope all 500 drones land directly on top of Netanyahu

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


https://aje.io/wn56df?update=2834655

quote:

Iran has launched a direct attack from Iranian soil: Israeli military

Israeli military spokesperson Daniel Hagari has issued a statement in which he said, “We are closely monitoring Iranian killer drones that are en route to Israel sent by Iran”.

“This is a severe and dangerous escalation. Our defensive and offensive capabilities are at the highest level of readiness ahead of this large-scale attack from Iran”.


Israel, ofc, framing this as Iranian escalation

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so do they need a draft this time or are they just going to rely on drones and enlisted troops as usual

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024


Reminder that they strategically located their military HQ essentially inside a shopping mall.

Most ethical military in the world.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

TeenageArchipelago posted:

https://aje.io/wn56df?update=2834655

Israel, ofc, framing this as Iranian escalation

plucky little israel never deserved to be bullied like this uwu

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

mila kunis posted:

i remember seeing a vid of one of those labour conferences from the 60s/70s and basically communists in all but name up on stage (they probably weren't in the wing that ran the party though). unimaginable today

A lot of third world developmentalism was like that. There's a reason why the US had to unleash nazis full scale during colonial wars and it wasn't because of just their cruelty.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
what has been unleashed on this world is something out of a nightmarish dystopian thriller, but the west controls the narrative so everything is fine actually, everything is going great. It's FINE.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

The Oldest Man posted:

plucky little israel never deserved to be bullied like this uwu

That's right.

It's unethical to use anything less than the absolutely necessary force required to destroy the state of Israel.

Butter Activities
May 4, 2018

Venomous posted:

so do they need a draft this time or are they just going to rely on drones and enlisted troops as usual

The backbone of the IDF is not the enlisted soldier but the full bird fireteam leader

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

AJE is reporting 100+ drones, cruise, and ballistic missiles from Iran, rockets from Hezbollah in Lebanon, and the Houthis have launched drones as well.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Boat Stuck posted:

God drat, what a baller. Insulted his examiners to their faces and the examiners basically agreed that the insult was appropriate.

I don’t know if I’m remembering correctly but Russell’s life basically collapsed after meeting Wittgenstein.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
oh poo poo is this Historical moment

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


euphronius posted:

I don’t know if I’m remembering correctly but Russell’s life basically collapsed after meeting Wittgenstein.
I dunno about "collapsed," but russell could never concede to Wittgenstein's argument that language was a social creation, because it would upend russell's entire life work defending the idea that language was fundamentally objective and analytic, despite believing that Wittgenstein was a genius

but he knew it

his whole critique of TLP was basically "this is hard to read," as has sorta been referenced already

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

mila kunis posted:

oh poo poo is this Historical moment

I'd give it a 5 on the 10-point "events leading to" scale

e: unless Iran actually does some real damage here that is, then I give it a 6

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Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
https://twitter.com/JoeTruzman/status/1779280761319022770

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