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Sorry, this is probably a stupid question, but do you guys think—what with the behind the scenes negotiations that seemed to take place, and all the advance warning Iran gave—that the military bases getting hit were actually substantial losses, or could Israel have evacuated and moved the most expensive poo poo ahead of time? I mean I get that losing the physical installations and the runways would definitely hurt their ability to wage war, but maybe that wouldn't be as galling as losing all their super expensive planes and a bunch of soldiers?
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NeonPunk posted:It's odd. Usually by now we would get details on exactly what was hit and destroyed, but so far we only heard of a general idea that they hit Golan and two air bases. this is the discourse that western media is cultivating quote:They launched hundreds of deadly of munitions to not cause damage and just warn them? That is a STRETCH. Any one of those could have slipped the net and done irrevocable damage given where they were headed. I don't believe for a second that Iran launched all of that with the surefire confidence that no harm would be done. They had to know the level of risk was increased exponentially given the number of munitions that they used. They could have accomplished the same message with much less munitions used with far less risk of the Dome missing some of them. quote:So, Iran basically achieved nothing, except for starting another conflict where each and everyone is now supporting Israel? Especially how ineffective it was (besides propaganda), it was like all talk. quote:Iran can't have thought that was a strategic attack that would impact Israel. It feels to me like it was posturing to save face and show force to its people while almost guaranteeing it would be shut down completely. My hope is that they wanted to make a quick show of force, Israel doesn't respond with a significant response, and this fizzes out quickly.
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Iranian missiles landed in Israel last night, they are currently ftw so put a cork in the ciaposting
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Death By The Blues posted:I do wonder if Biden/America actually do want to deescalate or at this point gently caress it cause they know they are going to lose the election. I think they do because they know what a loving disaster a wider war would be for them.
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ELTON JOHN posted:was the cia behind the people who got shot at for attending her funeral please gently caress off
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TheIllestVillain posted:This mf name almog "Armakrog Neverhood remarks:"
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NeonPunk posted:It's odd. Usually by now we would get details on exactly what was hit and destroyed, but so far we only heard of a general idea that they hit Golan and two air bases. the official Israeli position is that they shot down almost every missile, nothing got through, and nothing was damaged, so we're probably not getting any kind of official statement about damage anytime soon
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Al-Saqr posted:Russia:- Xa Xa Xa .... Da.... DA! the fact it sounds so petty makes it extra funny
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bigstupidjellyfish posted:Sorry, this is probably a stupid question, but do you guys think—what with the behind the scenes negotiations that seemed to take place, and all the advance warning Iran gave—that the military bases getting hit were actually substantial losses, or could Israel have evacuated and moved the most expensive poo poo ahead of time? I mean I get that losing the physical installations and the runways would definitely hurt their ability to wage war, but maybe that wouldn't be as galling as losing all their super expensive planes and a bunch of soldiers? Israel actually tried moving some poo poo ahead of the attack and got caught by mistake - their Wings of Zion plane (lol) was based in the targeted airbase (Nevatim, in Negev) and that plane got scrambled only in the middle of the attack and took off for another airport in Israel, and had its transponder on.
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ded redd posted:the immortal science Would, though I would replace the sprinkles with marshmallows or nutella.
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[edit- nevermind. dti, dta
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it’s interesting that a country (Iran in this instance ) can attack another country and limit the targets to military only and not commit horrific war crimes
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Sancho Banana posted:The materialist take on Iran's government is: To add to this, there's a good bunch of Iranian diaspora every bit as insane as the Ukrainian diaspora in Canada. These are the psycho's who'd end up in charge of the Islamic Republic is overthrown while the empire lives. Orange Devil has issued a correction as of 15:39 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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glad i live in a country that respects women's rights, like america, where we only occasionally send black women to prison for miscarriages
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Spoondick posted:glad i live in a country that respects women's rights, like america, where we only occasionally send black women to prison for miscarriages
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Mister Bates posted:I would have supported the British during WW2 Finally, something we can all agree on. 
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https://twitter.com/Seamus_Malek/status/1779488567644815684
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:FTFY <3 I can't imagine it was ever offensive given how Dutch people (used to? haven't seen it much lately) refer to themselves as kaaskoppen, aka cheese heads. Or well technically a kaaskop is a mold (as in form, not fungus) to make cheese in but that dates back to Napoleonic times or whatever and ain't no way regular people know that while "kop" also means head.
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VoicesCanBe posted:I think they do because they know what a loving disaster a wider war would be for them. Yeah, that they came out drat near as the attack was happening and said "Don't retaliate, Israel. We're not attacking Iran if you do" is a pretty big shift in posturing
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:FTFY <3 lol @ ff digging to find forgotten old-timey racist slurs
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Germany really doesn't want those Jewish people to return home eh? They can't afford to have this happen. I mean, have you seen the gas prices in Germany?
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tristeham posted:my mom supports the attack by Iran. Wish my mom was this cool
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Orange Devil posted:I can't imagine it was ever offensive given how Dutch people (used to? haven't seen it much lately) refer to themselves as kaaskoppen, aka cheese heads. And the mold is round? This is just cope about being called square heads.
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I would imagine even if Israel took some bad hits, they aren't going to admit to most of them considering their Ukraine style "99% shot down" narrative. Admittedly, if Israel suddenly needs more replacement fighters it would be pretty funny.
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Spoondick posted:glad i live in a country that respects women's rights, like america, where we only occasionally send black women to prison for miscarriages Whataboutism Rule 183PW user loses posting privileges for 1 day
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:But the point of the old Imperial Fleet Reviews was that the RN made the world safe for commerce, and so the average person directly benefitted. "We have coffee, tea, rubber, because Britannia rules the waves". People had to be sold on the expense, and wielding that sort of power, and they were sold on it because they were told that they directly benefitted. Oh no, at best you benefit emotionally, by redefinition. It's a switcheroo. Not having health is a joyous celebration of freedom and projected strength until it's your turn to be fed into the wood chipper (will obviously never happen to you personally).
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bigstupidjellyfish posted:Sorry, this is probably a stupid question, but do you guys think—what with the behind the scenes negotiations that seemed to take place, and all the advance warning Iran gave—that the military bases getting hit were actually substantial losses, or could Israel have evacuated and moved the most expensive poo poo ahead of time? I mean I get that losing the physical installations and the runways would definitely hurt their ability to wage war, but maybe that wouldn't be as galling as losing all their super expensive planes and a bunch of soldiers? I reckon they probably moved everything in time, they had a lot of warning and the targets of the attack should have been pretty easy to guess for them too. This is just Iran showing it is capable of hitting Israel, they pretty clearly didnt want to deal serious damage with this attack just to show theyr capable of hitting military targets in Israel and not going to back down and let Israel have a free pass just because America tells them to Otoh Israel seems quite incompetent and crazy atm so it also wouldn't exactly surprise me if planes that should have been moved did get hit
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Former israeli spy chief says that the iranian strikes might end up forcing israel to end the gaza war and do a permament ceasefire ======= Former Israeli intelligence director: Iran’s response could lead to war end Bloomberg quoted the former director of Israeli intelligence as saying that Iran’s response could lead to a strategic change in the war and even to an end. https://www.aljazeera.net/news/live...?update=6448067
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Orange Devil posted:They can't afford to have this happen. I mean, have you seen the gas prices in Germany? 
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Ardennes posted:I would imagine even if Israel took some bad hits, they aren't going to admit to most of them considering their Ukraine style "99% shot down" narrative. Admittedly, if Israel suddenly needs more replacement fighters it would be pretty funny. Does Israel hire much in the way of mercenaries?
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Brogeoisie posted:No one gives a gently caress about your dumb Iranian expat axe to grind
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fits my needs posted:are these d&d libs for real?
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Al-Saqr posted:by the way those of you who still use twitter it woild help if you could link what the more serious and level-headed analysts think of the iranian strikes this evening, are they saying its an embarrasing failure for Iran or a strategic disaster for israel? very curious. https://x.com/fadiquran/status/1779426300760850642?s=46 “On Iran’s strike: At Stanford, I attended a masterclass on military strategy led by a person with decades of experience, including serving at the highest levels in the military and government. One lesson he thought that I always remember was this: He asked us: “Say the US decided to attack Iraq with a new stealth jet it hadn’t used before that evaded all radars? The attack was a success. Was it strategic?” Many in the class raised their hands to say “yes, it achieved its goal”. But the professor said: “It may not have been”. Why? “Because now your adversaries know your capabilities and it’s a matter of time before they find ways around them. If this attack could be done with conventional weapons, it’s better to keep your top weapons until you need them. Using them creates a disadvantage.” My analysis is that the scale of Iran’s attack, the diversity of locations it targeted, and weapons it used, forced Israel to uncover the majority of anti-missile technologies the US and it have across the region. The Iranians did not use any weapons Israel didn’t know it had, it just used a lot of them. But the Iranians likely now have almost a full map of what Israel’s missile defence system looks like, as well as where in Jordan and the Gulf the US has installations. It also knows how long it takes to prepare them, how Israeli society responds…etc This is a huge strategic cost to Israel, while Arab regimes now are being blasted by their peoples, particularly the Jordanian monarchy, for not doing anything to protect Gazans but then going all out to protect Israel. Crucially, Iran can now reverse engineer all the intel gathered from this attack to make a much more deadly one credible. While the US and Israel will have to re-design away from their current model which has been compromised. Its success in stopping this choreographed attack is thus still very costly. Moreover, with the threat of a regional war that neither the US nor the Arab regimes want feeling nearer, it’s likely their pressure on Israel to back down will increase, making a ceasefire more feasible. Anyone assuming this is just theatrics is missing the context of how militaries assess strategy versus tactics. Theatre is an important factor, but gathering intelligence of the “enemy’s” posture is more valuable, especially if one believes they’re in a long war of attrition. Netanyahu and the Israel government prefer a quick hot and urgent war where they can pull in America. The Iranians prefer a longer war of attrition that bleeds Israel of its deterrence capabilities and makes it an ally for Arabs and the US that’s too costly to have. Lastly, if you are a person who hates war, if you want peace, the best and only way to get there in the region is to support the Palestinian struggle for freedom, justice and dignity. There is no sustainable peace possible as long as Palestinians live under an oppressive system of apartheid.”
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Weka posted:I guess the question is not whether it is good if any particular person died, but what the results of not suppressing these protests would be. if I had to guess, probably they'd lighten up with the religious paramilitary stuff for a while but you're right it's better not to risk it. in the world we live in, the CIA does not run Iran, so any one woman the morality police beat to death up to this point might have had to die in order to prevent a CIA coup. if you criticise any past action by the Iranian police you're basically advocating that we build the michael crichton Timeline machine and give it to bolton
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euphronius posted:it’s interesting that a country (Iran in this instance ) can attack another country and limit the targets to military only and not commit horrific war crimes I will be bringing this blatant genocide denial against the indigenous corn pizza people to QCS immediately Mr. Lobe posted:Does Israel hire much in the way of mercenaries? There was the black water guys who got owned. I think the main user of foreign mercenaries are settlers in the West Bank
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DaysBefore posted:Iran ftw
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euphronius posted:it’s interesting that a country (Iran in this instance ) can attack another country and limit the targets to military only and not commit horrific war crimes
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Israel has the Lone Soldier Program and Nahal, the weird kibbutz/military enrolment program, both of which illegally recruit abroad. Idk if you'd consider the son of a dentist from Yorkdale joining the IDF a mercenary though.
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