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I said come in! posted:My dumbass take is that action RPG is broken up into a number of subgenres. Elden Ring is not the same type of action RPG as Diablo. Skyrim is a different type of action RPG from those other two games as well. People can mostly be trusted to figure out it out on their own (or im giving gamers too much credit judging by this thread apparently). Like if someone said I am looking for a good alternative to Diablo, you wouldnt get all Steam recommendations on them and recommend Dark Souls II, that would be stupid. Nah you're right. And genre nomenclature debates have always, will always be a race to the bottom in terms of pedantic hair splitting and willful misunderstanding in an effort to presume a win in an internet argument lol. Like technically speaking we might call Elden ring an action rpg, and if we adhere rigidly to a definition that would be true, but I feel like if I say arpg to someone who isn't tedious they'll know I'm talking about number go up isometric offspring of Diablo. Don't get me started on the origins coming from Moria etc.
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unattended spaghetti posted:Nah you're right. And genre nomenclature debates have always, will always be a race to the bottom in terms of pedantic hair splitting and willful misunderstanding in an effort to presume a win in an internet argument lol. Completely agree, to me when someone says arpg, my brain automatically takes it to mean Diablo, Path of Exile, Titan Quest, Last Epoch, etc.
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I'm built different. I need people to tell me which is their favourite so I can see what their primary frame of reference is. I'm more pedantic so I can be less pedantic
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In other news I tried to fill the current void with PoE'ing with a group of friends and, man, S4 can't come soon enough. PoE has some cool stuff but feels very outdated now in a way many other older ARPGs don't. Combat is a simultaneously stiff and a hard-to-read mess. Quests and story have depth and some interesting bits but the presentation is subpar and so I just can't bring myself to pay attention even though I know there's some good stuff in there. I love the builds systems, the map atlas etc, and the 'problem solving' kind of build crafting for lack of a better term, the only problem I have is... why? What am I gonna do with the awesome build? Play more of the stiff lifeless combat? The base game doesn't excite me so even though I should love many parts of this game, I just can't see the value in investing the time, other than the social aspect of playing with buds (who are all kind of echoing the same sentiment). PoE2 looks dope so high hopes for that. Until then if D4 season 4 can deliver, I feel like it's probably the most enjoyable ARPG on the market right now. Bisse fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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I said come in! posted:Completely agree, to me when someone says arpg, my brain automatically takes it to mean Diablo, Path of Exile, Titan Quest, Last Epoch, etc.
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i would agree that in most contexts expecting someone to intuit what specific flavor of game you are talking about if you use the term arpg or even action rpg would be ridiculous or, like, tedious hair splitting, but we are here in the diablo thread talking about diablo which literally invented the arpg genre and indeed has three straight games that define the genre. if someone is talking about an arpg here presumably they are talking about an arpg and not hogwarts or dragons dogma 2 lmfao
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Bisse posted:In other news I tried to fill the current void with PoE'ing with a group of friends and, man, S4 can't come soon enough. PoE has some cool stuff but feels very outdated now in a way many other older ARPGs don't. Combat is a simultaneously stiff and a hard-to-read mess. Quests and story have depth and some interesting bits but the presentation is subpar and so I just can't bring myself to pay attention even though I know there's some good stuff in there. I love the builds system and the 'problem solving' kind of build crafting for lack of a better term, the only problem I have is... why? What am I gonna do with the awesome build? Play more of the stiff lifeless combat? The base game doesn't excite me so even though I should love many parts of this game, I just can't see the value in investing the time, other than the social aspect of playing with buds (who are all kind of echoing the same sentiment). the what am i going to do is the end game which is unparrelled, and builds often start feeling incredible once you get early end game gear. unfortunately to get there you have to play the worst campaign in any arpg ever lol
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I just want Season 4 to start already. Disappointed that it got delayed by a month, but that was probably for the best considering its Blizzard we are talking about here. But the PTR stuff has been so positive, so i'm excited.
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Stux posted:the what am i going to do is the end game which is unparrelled, and builds often start feeling incredible once you get early end game gear. unfortunately to get there you have to play the worst campaign in any arpg ever lol It does make me appreciate though that D4 is not keeping the season mechanics as-is and instead trying to roll them into natural parts of the base game. Because coming into PoE today is... confusing A F Bisse fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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that is actually what poe did as well, the mechanics were often more complex and involved during their league vs how they are implemented now. anyway its an arpg brain arpg and all the stuff people like it for is probably just offputting if you dont love arpgs
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Peachfart posted:It has been a few years since I played POE but I remember it having the ability to do this and I thought it was super cool. Also in D4 complaints, loot text fades WAY too quickly. not at the xbox atm to verify but i'm pretty sure there's a setting to change that loot text fade time. it could just be to change the time the text re-appears once you hit the hotkey to show it again though
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I got to the end of POE and did a tiny bit of mapping and honestly the thing that made me quit was I didn't like how finishing a map didn't result in an explosion of loot.
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Stux posted:that is actually what poe did as well, the mechanics were often more complex and involved during their league vs how they are implemented now. anyway its an arpg brain arpg and all the stuff people like it for is probably just offputting if you dont love arpgs
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Bisse posted:Neo-demonclicker Second Wave Nu Hack-N-Slash
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Bisse posted:I got to the end game once but didn't really 'get it', or maybe the excitement of the end game could not overcome the dull combat, idk, (EDIT: Or maybe playing totem templar was a boring build?) but this time the group has a superhardcore PoEgoon in it though explaining things to all of us so maybe that will help. totem templar would probably be about as uninteractive and unexciting to play of a build as you can get. probably fairly safe so I can see why it might get suggested to someone newish as to the why of poe's endgame, for all the meta progression and itemization and navel-gazing min/maxing the fundamental thing of going into a juiced map and killing stuff on a build you enjoy playing is fun as hell, and you get a bunch of loot that gets you closer to improving your current build or funding the next even more insane build that you want to play next. or you can get into the two or three other big endgame activities that aren't mapping, but for 90% of people, what has them logging in is mapping. with that said, it all comes down to actually playing a build you enjoy. probably the biggest weakness of poe is that it is a huge pain in the rear end to reroll so instead you have people forcing themselves to play characters that they just don't vibe with and burning out quickly because of it. Bisse posted:There are things I love about it and things I don't, I basically just wish it would have better more exciting gameplay with more weight, and a better presentation of the story that is there, better explanation of mecahnics, etc. I like the hardcore RPG systems and the crafting turns me on. The problem is I must spend the majority of the time doing the things I don't love about it. Which is why I have high hopes for PoE2, it seems to fix all the above and I trust the team to deliver on a nerdy af arpgbraindamage game. Truly who knows how poe 2 will be, maybe it will be goty 2028 when it finally comes out. maybe it will succesfully mass appeal, or maybe it will be even more of a double down of poe's current eccentricities, idk. ggg is generally 2 very clever steps forward for 1 large, perplexing step back if you're going to be playing poe for a while, try out some of the other things in it, like sanctum or delve or heist. also try running corrupted t14-16 maps with 4 scarabs to get the full experience of mapping. or if you aren't having fun just play something else, either another character or another game. it's a good game in a lot of ways but there's also a lot to bounce off of Tonetta posted:arpg now means Anal Retentant Pedantic Gamers ^ Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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Tonetta posted:arpg now means Anal Retentant Pedantic Gamers Do this for roguelike I'm too stupid to pull it off.
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Stux posted:. but one would think when you are posting in a thread for specifically a diablo game you can work out what people mean when they say arpg. No one's posted about Diablo here in pages
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Is that because people have been arguing for that long about how dumb or inclusive an gaming acronym older than 9/11 has become or is it because there's nothing else worth talking about in the diabloverse E unattended spaghetti posted:Do this for roguelike I'm too stupid to pull it off. That's too many letters to be any good without just being mean about the players and roguelike gamers are powerful and to be respected Tonetta fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Apr 14, 2024 |
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i can post about diablo! finished the first campaign of immortal and that was dire! the first post release campaign was neat, even if it included a lot of escort questing still dislike the d3 HUGE butcher and tbqh am not a fan of koolaid d4 butcher either. feels like d3 and d4 missed the message on what was great about d1 butcher and d2s super uniques. having this rare monster in a location that does weird memorable poo poo is cool! i can't seem to think of any in d4 and the butcher just being a constant reoccuring gear check now makes him kinda boring
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Cerepol posted:i can post about diablo! I liked the Immortal dungeons the first time through, but once they became a grind daily target...ehhh
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Herstory Begins Now posted:picturing rod fergusson playing through dragons dogma and skyrim to figure out what kind of game he's meant to be making and suddenly a lot more makes sense What's funny is that I really like the weird "oh poo poo I'm far from my home base" feeling in Dragons Dogma 2. But it doesn't translate well at all. Maybe in like a certain game mode, they could call it "Ruthless" maybe.
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Stux posted:the what am i going to do is the end game which is unparrelled, and builds often start feeling incredible once you get early end game gear. unfortunately to get there you have to play the worst campaign in any arpg ever lol it's so loving bad. i can't do it anymore i've done it dozens if not hundreds of times and i can't bring myself to go through that campaign again
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An Actual Princess posted:it's so loving bad. i can't do it anymore i've done it dozens if not hundreds of times and i can't bring myself to go through that campaign again good news poe2 campaign looks like its even longer and slower. enhjoy
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im just so used to playing trade focused arpgs like D2:R and poe, d4 feels like playing SSF and none of the loot drops really get me excited like the poo poo you can find in those games that are worth mega bucks
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unattended spaghetti posted:loving a right. Less known and more directly metallic would be If These Trees Could Talk. rear end band name, great tunes. Holy poo poo they are awesome thank you for the rec 
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queeb posted:im just so used to playing trade focused arpgs like D2:R and poe, d4 feels like playing SSF and none of the loot drops really get me excited like the poo poo you can find in those games that are worth mega bucks Is there an internal trade system in D2? The moment I have to open a browser to find a trade partner or spam a channel the entire system is dead to me. So I generally like D4 there, excepting that I would actually like an AH and what you've described, just a formal one in the client.
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MJBuddy posted:Is there an internal trade system in D2? The moment I have to open a browser to find a trade partner or spam a channel the entire system is dead to me. Yeah, you create a game called "7 PAME 4 IST" and wait and see if anyone joins
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Field Mousepad posted:Holy poo poo they are awesome thank you for the rec No worries. Thanks for reminding me of my post metal days.
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Wrex Ruckus posted:Yeah, you create a game called "7 PAME 4 IST" and wait and see if anyone joins You may not like it but this is what peak arpg etc etc etc
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unattended spaghetti posted:No worries. Thanks for reminding me of my post metal days. Instrumental post metal is absolutely my poo poo so thank you sir
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I'm probably coming back after quitting mid-season 2, and skipping season 3 entirely. Is there a post detailing all the new stuff? I know about I'm imbuments being permanently available at the max stat you've extracted at. I think I heard there's a rift-like thing now? And maybe a way to target farm uber uniques? Anything else?
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i mean the only thing that's changed was it went from season 2 to season 3 so you should be able to catch up by reading the S3 patch notes on whatever site they decided to post them this. it's mostly balance change stuff. the season got pushed back to mid may so if you want to do season 3 you can see everything in about 5 hours/week worth of playing at this point.
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Aexo posted:I'm probably coming back after quitting mid-season 2, and skipping season 3 entirely. Is there a post detailing all the new stuff? I know about I'm imbuments being permanently available at the max stat you've extracted at. I think I heard there's a rift-like thing now? And maybe a way to target farm uber uniques? Anything else? New crafting systems, temper gear with two custom affixes. lots of variety. Codex is better. Huge balance changes, there are still OP builds but things are more even. Endgame content: The Pit is Greater Rifts. Bosses like grigoire, duriel have lvl200 variants now, they are crazy. Helltides are A Lot Better. They are like season 2 vamptides now plus added a GTA-like wanted system, and some cool stuff. Those are the major things, if you wanna geek out about detailed changes check the patch notes. One thing surprised me which was ”Removed Barbarian innate 10% damage reduction passive” to which my reaction was ”barbs had a what???”
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Finished the Diablo 4 campaign. Stuff I liked:
Stuff I wasn't really hot on:
All in all I had a pretty good time with it. I might jump in when Season 4 drops and play some more with a new seasonal character and see what some of the post-campaign loop is like.
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Also being a standard mortal being in Sanctuary seems to be an unending misery and I don't know how any form of civilization holds together there.
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The dungeons are mostly linear paths now because people complained when they were more complicated.
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Paying2Lurk posted:The dungeons are mostly linear paths now because people complained when they were more complicated. Yeah cuz it loving sucked. You weren't doing anything besides walking back through empty hallways because you were forced to skip a key pickup until you dropped off another one.
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