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Rhonne posted:Cloud was the same age as Yuffie when he killed Sephiroth. Yeah, he's 21 in current day OG/Remake/Rebirth, Nibelheim was 5 years prior where he dunked Sephiroth into the lifestream. Fun fact for you: in the OG, during the Nibelheim incident Cloud had just 1 materia equipped: pre-emptive strike. It rarely kicked in except for when it mattered most.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Yeah, he's 21 in current day OG/Remake/Rebirth, Nibelheim was 5 years prior where he dunked Sephiroth into the lifestream. Cloud just got his limit break, a thing that canonically exists in that world and presumably explains Dyne's boss fight gimmick???
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Apr 13, 2024 17:15
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Cavelcade posted:I'd be shocked if they don't, tbh. I really do want to kill him and Gus, honestly more than the Turks. Yuffie's 14 you creeps! I understand your frustations, but... you cannot silence the Sound of Gus
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tbf with gus that kick from Tifa looked like it really hurt. killing him probably would've been nicer
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:I mean remember also that Tifa and the gang aren’t privy to the full story of what the gently caress is going on with Cloud. To be frank, from their perspective, all they can really do is minimize his instability and hope they can wrap this poo poo up fast enough that he gets to have a few years of peace before the degradation puts him down for good. They don’t know about the Jenova cells or the Sephiroth brain ghosts or that he could be brought back from the brink with a genuine intervention, the story everyone is telling them is that all SOLDIERs have an expiration date and, by all appearances, Cloud’s is coming up soon. What I like about it this time is he is legitimately seeing ghosts of other timelines now but everyone’s gonna chalk it down to “uh oh cloud’s gone weird again”
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Yeah the funniest thing about yuffie is that her being a trained and seasoned combatant at age 16 is both extremely normal in the setting and also puts her head and shoulders above pretty much all of the rebirth party except cloud and maybe Tifa, depending
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Have you considered that Gus' theme owns? So really who is to say he's all that bad
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I mean the best song in the game is for a piece of shinra propaganda
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Bow wow wow, bow wow wow. You're right and I am ashamed to have said otherwise.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Yeah the funniest thing about yuffie is that her being a trained and seasoned combatant at age 16 is both extremely normal in the setting and also puts her head and shoulders above pretty much all of the rebirth party except cloud and maybe Tifa, depending Yuffie is never considered normal by anyone.
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ImpAtom posted:Yeah, to be clear, Lucretia was an incredibly bad person. She worked alongside Gast and Hojo but where Gast went "oh my god this poo poo gotta go" Lucretia basically was all-in on the Jenova project and perfectly fine with using her own unborn child as a test subject. The only time she actually showed regret was when Vincent was killed and even then she tried to solve it by shoving a monster materia inside of him. One thing I find very funny about this whole mess is that Dirge introduced us to Vincents father, Grimoire.  Yes. Grimoire Valentine. The emo apple didn't fall far from the goth tree
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Clarste posted:Yuffie is never considered normal by anyone. No one bats an eye at her being a child soldier, at least. The rest of it... Well...
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McCloud posted:One thing I find very funny about this whole mess is that Dirge introduced us to Vincents father, Grimoire. You think when the team learns more about Vincent's backstory in the next game, we'll get a scene where Cloud or Tifa realize that he was totally in Nibelheim when Sephiroth went nuts and didn't do anything? Like yeah, he was in a "deep sleep" at the time, but it's still wild that he was just there.
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Hell, Zack opens his coffin in Crisis Core, finds him snoring, goes "Okay I guess I'll leave him alone" and closes it
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Rhonne posted:You think when the team learns more about Vincent's backstory in the next game, we'll get a scene where Cloud or Tifa realize that he was totally in Nibelheim when Sephiroth went nuts and didn't do anything? Like yeah, he was in a "deep sleep" at the time, but it's still wild that he was just there.
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He pretty much states outright that he is 'security' for the basement, in Rebirth. In the OG it's been a while but I think he stays there out of shame, since Lucrecia went with Hojo over him. I have a hunch that is the case in Rebirth's universe too and he's too ashamed to admit the truth, for now. A lot of people with a lot of pent-up histories in FF7
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It makes perfect sense for Vincent to be in Nibelheim, since Nibelheim is explicitly where the original Jenova research was done. Like, they did the research there, which is why Sephiroth was able to learn about it. I suppose you could wonder if Vincent was ever meant to be in the game at all, but as long as his backstory ties into the Sephiroth Project, there's really nowhere else he could've been. That said, Vincent sleeping through the whole Nibelheim disaster is more hilarious than it is a plothole, imo.
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Don't they have Vincent say (or imply) that he could have dealt with Sephiroth at any time and chose not to, and that's part of what's fueling him to tag along? That so much death and destruction was preventable and he just didn't do anything about it because he was trapped in his own self loathing.
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Onmi posted:Don't they have Vincent say (or imply) that he could have dealt with Sephiroth at any time and chose not to, and that's part of what's fueling him to tag along? That so much death and destruction was preventable and he just didn't do anything about it because he was trapped in his own self loathing.
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To be fair Vincent probably also could have beat Sephiroth at the time of the Nibleheim massacre, in fact I think he still has Chaos at the end of Dirge of Cerberus even but I don't remember that much about it.
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Nah Sephiroth would’ve ripped Vincent apart even back then.
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I think if Vincent had the wherewithal to team up with Zack, then the two of them might have been able to handle Sephiroth, but that might is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
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Vincent would have turned into the Galian Beast and caused everyone to panic even more. Sephiroth would be very confused.
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Ardryn posted:I think if Vincent had the wherewithal to team up with Zack, then the two of them might have been able to handle Sephiroth, but that might is doing a lot of heavy lifting. If they survived it be a pretty funny and great friendship, though. Vincent looks like a Magus or Shadow but he's actually really nice, just very melodramatic and serious, perfect as a foil for Zack.
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Yeah the funniest thing about yuffie is that her being a trained and seasoned combatant at age 16 is both extremely normal in the setting and also puts her head and shoulders above pretty much all of the rebirth party except cloud and maybe Tifa, depending Yeah Cloud left home to go join the army at 14, and this is explicitly not unusual for a dying town like Nibelheim even if the subtext is that he was leaving because the town blamed him for Tifa getting hurt and he didn't want to be a burden on his mom. Gaia considers teens adults very, very young.
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Vincent absolutely could not have handled Sephiroth during Nibelheim. Dude is strong but he isn't that strong until like the end of DoC where he gets full control over Chaos. Sephiroth was strong enough to effortlessly wreck Zack's poo poo and Zack is generally treated as about as high end as the series has without you mutating into something terrible. Like maybe in some theoretical world Zangan, Vincent and Zack could have teamed up but there's a pretty short period of time for that to happen.
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ImpAtom posted:Like maybe in some theoretical world Zangan, Vincent and Zack could have teamed up but there's a pretty short period of time for that to happen. Yo that world fuckin owns
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Reading a thread about sales figures being significantly below Remake. Thread filled with people saying Square somehow screwed up badly with Remake and that's why people aren't buying Rebirth. Not sure in what universe a 87/89 metacritic game is Square making a mistake.
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Arkage posted:Reading a thread about sales figures being significantly below Remake. Thread filled with people saying Square somehow screwed up badly with Remake and that's why people aren't buying Rebirth. I think I saw the same thread you mentioned if it’s over on Reddit, which someone pointed out was digital only sales in a subset of countries in Asia from an analyst that wasn’t able to confirm any info with Square (as they wouldn’t say anything until hitting a milestone or for presenting to investors), but people want something to talk about with this game aside from trying to figure out the ending and what happens next.
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I'm pretty sure than in general the ceiling for PS5 exclusives hasn't been that high
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Doctor Roosevelt posted:I think I saw the same thread you mentioned if it’s over on Reddit, which someone pointed out was digital only sales in a subset of countries in Asia from an analyst that wasn’t able to confirm any info with Square (as they wouldn’t say anything until hitting a milestone or for presenting to investors), but people want something to talk about with this game aside from trying to figure out the ending and what happens next. Yea the source was some Twitter guy, ZhugeEX, saying its based on equities research reports. No idea but people seem to think he's worth listening to.
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yeah zhuge/daniel is legit, he does market intelligence for videogames these days
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The ps5 ain't got no games etc.
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Oh yeah, he’s usually a good source for reading through the business side of games news, but he’s also upfront when there are caveats to take. I’m not on Twitter much these days so that’s probably how I missed his take. Though I’m also sure if sales were good, Square would be touting them already. This is what you get for that horrible twist to end your game with  (Cait coming back unequipped and absolutely nothing else that happened)
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The PS4 had a massive base by the time Remake came out. PS5 has about half that, if I remember correctly. It's selling well but it isn't PS4 numbers yet. I bet the game will have long reach and it'll make those numbers over time. Kind of impressive considering the chip shortages a few years ago.
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there literally still has yet to be an actual good deal on a ps5, which is actually crazy. i got the ps5 slim after waiting, and it was basically at msrp. then sony discounted it by like a hundred bucks the month after, sure feel appreciated as a consumer. no bundle deals either and even if the ps5 slim were an amazing deal, you'd still have to play through remake first
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Basically the important thing to remember here is Square just shot themselves in the foot. I don't know how much the rest of you know about Japanese culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in America where you can become successful by being an rear end in a top hat. If you screw someone over in Japan, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance. What this means is the japanese public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase FFVII Rebirth, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this PS5 exclusivity move. Square, publicly apologize and sell FFVII Rebirth for every system on the market no matter how old or underpowered or you can kiss your business goodbye.
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Doctor Roosevelt posted:Basically the important thing to remember here is Square just shot themselves in the foot. 
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Doctor Roosevelt posted:Basically the important thing to remember here is Square just shot themselves in the foot. Source your quotes
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