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If y'all want we can move on to the bargaining stage? Actually hitting next to the airport was probably intentional. Iran wasn't looking to escalate, they were looking to establish deterrence. "We were holding back and gave you plenty of warnings and you still got hit, let's leave it there." Without actually killing anyone that would 100% drive the Israelis to retaliate Also: https://aje.io/3phtv7?update=2837648 quote:US forces destroyed 80 drones, six missiles launched from Iran, Yemen https://x.com/CENTCOM/status/1779651553789362216 quote:Defense of Israel Activities Update
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OctaMurk posted:The f-35 is a small fighter jet like the f-16 so i dont think its range is unusual US planes frequently refuel in flight so it’s even less of a consideration.
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Cassian of Imola posted:in the same video with the crater/hole, they show construction vehicles rebuilding a runway. what would be the point of digging out a fake crater in the middle of nowhere and then showing proof of direct damage to the airbase? why is the dirt pile evidence of faking a crater instead of evidence of any kind of construction happening anywhere nearby, like repairing a runway? because there's no missile wreckage and it's one tiny little hole by itself in the middle of nowhere, and israel just makes poo poo up all the time jetz0r posted:honestly, not a lot of burning. heat, sure. the explosives are mostly generating N2 + heat during the detonation, with a tiny bit of combustion. high explosives aren't movie explosions with huge fireballs, they're a hot flash and a pressure wave of nitrogen. they're not very good at burning things, there's a reason incendiary bombs and devices exist and are used for different war crimes than high explosives. this is interesting though
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as opposed to bombing a consulate, which is totally prudent behavior protecting regional stability
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whoops looks like they mixed up their bomb crater photo and their before shot of the teehee look at our warcrime hole with prisoners kneeling in front of it again
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wait so Israel is faking damage? did any of those Iran missiles actually hit then?
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Did they hit the runway with something else? Why did one of them cause a crater and the other just lightly crack the asphalt and scorch it a bit?
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Automata 10 Pack posted:wait so Israel is faking damage? did any of those Iran missiles actually hit then? It would appear that they hit hangers, and possibly other things Israel would rather not show  "We don’t know how accurate they are, and in the end, how effective the strikes actually were in hitting their targets. That’s because beyond the general macro objective of “hitting Nevatim airbase”, for instance, we don’t know what precisely inside that giant airbase Iran may have targeted. However, Israel did confirm the base was hit upwards of 7 times, but claims the damage was minor. In fact, they’ve now released footage showing them repairing one of the hit runways" idk, we're not going to be told by our media, so, it's all up in the air "And another before and after timelapse, though unclear, shows possible damage to a hangar. Keep in mind this is the base which housed F-35s" "Could Israel be downplaying serious damage by releasing the video of a minor runway hole? For instance, they posted another video of an F-35 landing back at Nevatim base as a demonstration that the base is unharmed, but some have alleged that it is old footage." Israel's Air Force is the most capable part of their military, and their force projection, and their deterrent, so they are never going to show runways put out of action, lest the Syrian Arab Army crest the Golan Heights that afternoon. DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 03:24 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Chillgamesh posted:because there's no missile wreckage and it's one tiny little hole by itself in the middle of nowhere, and israel just makes poo poo up all the time The size of the hole depends on the payload, and we don't know what the missile payloads were, so that doesn't matter. Many bomb and missile craters have no visible wreckage. It's buried or scattered elsewhere. There's no missile wreckage visible here, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly0_hm5z_vU or here: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/01/world/europe/zaporizhzhia-strike.html And yeah, Israel makes poo poo up all the time, but I prefer to have a reason to think they're lying, like maybe 'it would benefit them in any way if people believed the lie' or 'the lie is inherently implausible' or 'non-Israeli witnesses contradict them'. And (1) they showed the runway being rebuilt, so digging a fake hole in the desert wouldn't help them pretend that it was undamaged. (2) There are millions of real craters in the Negev, many quite fresh, nothing implausible about that. (3) Nobody's saying every single missile hit the runway bang-on, or that that was even Iran's intention. So what gives? Why defend the weirdo OSINT post claiming that a pile of dirt proves that a crater is fake, or that an F-35 taxiing proves that it can't take off?
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TeenageArchipelago posted:If y'all want we can move on to the bargaining stage? "unprecedented" again. They're really enjoying using that particular word.
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Leandros posted:Did they hit the runway with something else? Why did one of them cause a crater and the other just lightly crack the asphalt and scorch it a bit? They could have already smoothed over any crater with earthmovers by the time the video was taken.
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Cassian of Imola posted:in the same video with the crater/hole, they show construction vehicles rebuilding a runway. what would be the point of digging out a fake crater in the middle of nowhere and then showing proof of direct damage to the airbase? why is the dirt pile evidence of faking a crater instead of evidence of any kind of construction happening anywhere nearby, like repairing a runway? buddy you should assume that literally everything the idf says is a lie, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt they’re fuckin nazis
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What's this about Israel taking the attack as a declaration of war Sabre rattling?
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Cassian of Imola posted:in the same video with the crater/hole, they show construction vehicles rebuilding a runway. what would be the point of digging out a fake crater in the middle of nowhere and then showing proof of direct damage to the airbase? why is the dirt pile evidence of faking a crater instead of evidence of any kind of construction happening anywhere nearby, like repairing a runway? All good questions to ask the Israelis about why they dug the hole.
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christ the amateur "every tiktok is its own zapruder mystery" is one of the worst parts of this years war show
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MightyBigMinus posted:christ the amateur "every tiktok is its own zapruder mystery" is one of the worst parts of this years war show
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:Is CENTCOM still based in Florida because no middle eastern country will host it? Tampa baby lol
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:What's this about Israel taking the attack as a declaration of war words don't really mean anything to the modern western audience, western governments will just say whatever they want and do things that may or may not be related to what they say the idea that israel could go to war against iran without a full scale invasion by america backing them is inherently silly, they're losing a war against their own concentration camp
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Cassian of Imola posted:yeah it does make me feel insane when I read a bunch of posters defend this brown moses wannabe bullshit Sorry the hole you dug looks like poo poo i guess
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Mandel Brotset posted:buddy you should assume that literally everything the idf says is a lie, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt they’re fuckin nazis
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It would appear that they hit hangers, and possibly other things Israel would rather not show What's the assessment for the attack on the intelligence station in Golan?
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Mandel Brotset posted:buddy you should assume that literally everything the idf says is a lie, they don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt they’re fuckin nazis the IDF are the ones saying an airbase exists in the negev to begin with. maybe that's the biggest psyop of all
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Cassian of Imola posted:the IDF are the ones saying an airbase exists in the negev to begin with. maybe that's the biggest psyop of all dont be like this
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I guess I get where you're coming from Cassian, you don't want the thread to turn into a GBS-style circlejerk about how the AFU is totally on the verge of retaking Crimea any second or whatever. I just think it does benefit them internally to minimize the damage (show a tiny hole and then a repaired runway with an F35 taking off, to make people think the attack was ineffectual and reduce civilian panic) and the way the video is cut makes it look weird and suspicious (tiny hole with nothing around it, cut to a repaired runway, cut to a jet taking off). You are right the footage might actually be on the level, but even if it is, the political outcome is the same with regards to what Israel was trying to prove.
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https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/1779499412189786326 Osintbros are saying that at least some buildings were damaged by Iranian air strikes
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Chillgamesh posted:I guess I get where you're coming from Cassian, you don't want the thread to turn into a GBS-style circlejerk about how the AFU is totally on the verge of retaking Crimea any second or whatever. I just think it does benefit them internally to minimize the damage (show a tiny hole and then a repaired runway with an F35 taking off, to make people think the attack was ineffectual and reduce civilian panic) and the way the video is cut makes it look weird and suspicious (tiny hole with nothing around it, cut to a repaired runway, cut to a jet taking off). You are right the footage might actually be on the level, but even if it is, the political outcome is the same with regards to what Israel was trying to prove. yeah I agree w/ all this
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https://aje.io/3phtv7?update=2837690quote:Biden urges US House to pass bill with $14bn for Israel We'll see if Iran bombing Israel tipped the scales for Republicans to give Israel aid even if it means giving Ukraine aid
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I choose to believe the hole is fake regardless of haters and doubters or facts and reason.
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https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/is...P2fiODhl1t9QDrL US military is claiming that actually 50% of missiles were intercepted but so many crashed anyway “before reaching their target”
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://x.com/AuroraIntel/status/1779499412189786326 if the buildings were damaged that means the attack on the base was a success and the Iranians hit their intended targets. also i think at this point the world should probably re-focus their attention at stopping israels genocide of gaza
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just to be safe i dont believe in any holes whatsoever
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/is...P2fiODhl1t9QDrL lol so you only hit 50% despite the iranians giving you two weeks notice
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/is...P2fiODhl1t9QDrL Half just experiencing technical difficulties and exploding midflight is even harder to believe than a 50% intercept rate, the gently caress?
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How soon should we expect satellite imagery of the hole to be available?
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tbh i think the only real direct benefit the iranian strikes gave gaza was that it strenghthened Hamas's negotiation position as evidenced by their full detailed response yesterday. the real issue is that biden is still pooping his pamps and isnt pressurinf israel to end the war.
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