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Accipiter posted:I visited that saloon a bunch of years ago and the woman that served me there said that the owner was annoyed that they didn't get any money from the usage of their place in the game. Which is more than a little silly because it's a historical landmark that's been there since the early 1900s. I'd say the fact thst they've held these Fallout Day celebrations for the past few years indicates a level of appreciation. Edit: According to this video the old owners didn't really care too much for the game but the new owners adore it and that's what made the New Vegas Day events kick off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwAa9YLn5Vw Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Arc Hammer posted:Sad that I didn't see a Malcolm Holmes in there chasing down everyone with star bottle caps. Series finale ending: In a fight with raiders, Lucy's lining up a shot. He comes running out jabbering about star bottle caps, forcing her into dialogue, allowing the raiders to gun the party down. And she hadn't saved in hours. Fade to black, credits roll. A true Fallout ending, but Todd Coward will never do it.
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What’s up with ghouls in this show? I’m only a few episodes in but it seems to be a disease or something? In the games all ghouls were changed when the bombs fell, or am I not remembering correctly?
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Kaddish posted:What’s up with ghouls in this show? I’m only a few episodes in but it seems to be a disease or something? In the games all ghouls were changed when the bombs fell, or am I not remembering correctly? Ghouls come about for various reasons. The most common is radiation exposure but others come from Forced Evolutionary Virus or other drug cocktails cooked up by mad scientists before the war.
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Kaddish posted:What’s up with ghouls in this show? I’m only a few episodes in but it seems to be a disease or something? In the games all ghouls were changed when the bombs fell, or am I not remembering correctly? I think the canon reason is this: Arc Hammer posted:Ghouls come about for various reasons. The most common is radiation exposure but others come from Forced Evolutionary Virus or other drug cocktails cooked up by mad scientists before the war. But, I am also willing to accept the rules of radiation and mutations make no sense, and tend to change from game to game, and now from game to TV show. Just tell a compelling story without flagrantly violating the more interesting bits of canon, and throw it all up to "radiation is magic".
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Ghouls are from radiation, Harold is from FEV because Harold is special. FEV exposure more typically makes super mutants. But yeah Fallout science is magic and don't worry about it too much.
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I more so care about the character and history parts of the canon than any of the bullshit  , so I was happy that the whole "invalidation of New Vegas" thing was 99% nonsense.**With the exception of the geography being a mess, but that's just TV logic in general.
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Nichael posted:I more so care about the character and history parts of the canon than any of the bullshit My one big gripe with all that was that yeah, that’s not where Shady Sands is at all! Final episode spoilers: I liked the implication that Hank nuked Shady Sands not because they were a threat to Vault-tec’s monopoly, but purely out of spite because his wife wouldn’t come home. The fact it also protected Vault-tec’s interests was just a convenient reason he could use if he ever needed to justify it. True self-centered management thinking and a window into how awful all of Bud’s Buds probably are on the inside.
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dr_rat posted:lol Forbes put up an article how the TV show doesn't make New Vegas non-canon. I'm pretty sure everything published on Forbes at "sites/firstlastname" is an opinion piece.
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Watch-through is going slowly; episode 4 really is the point where the quality kicks in - first three episodes are the setup and then it takes off running drat good stuff
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Grand Fromage posted:Ghouls are from radiation, Harold is from FEV because Harold is special. FEV exposure more typically makes super mutants. And Hancock is specifically made as a result of consuming a fuckton of experimental drugs chasing the ultimate high.
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I enjoyed it overall, a lot better than I was expecting. Season Spoilers I think the whole NCR thing is mostly about first impressions. You don't get a single direct reference to game events for a few episodes, and when you finally do, all you do get is a sign that says Shady Sands in front of a giant crater. It absolutely comes off as Todd* wiping the slate clean of pre-Bethesda lore. And a lot of initial complaints were by people hadn't even finished the show yet and that's as far as they thought it went. Turns out that wasn't exactly the case and it's explained a lot more later, but first impressions matter. The overall NCR hateboners from the CSAM posters are as predictable as they are eyeroll worthy. Oh my god, a government has problems with corruption and isn't perfectly equitable? That certainly isn't a thing that effects every single form of government that has ever existed! In that case we'd all be so much better off if it never existed, and anyone who questions deleting it is probably just some idiot stan. Sure. If it wasn't for their wretched corruption and imperialism everyone in California could be living the same blissful life as diaper farmer and his 4 dead tato plants. Still don't know how Moldaver is still alive 200 years later. Was freezing people a common technology? It seems to be used in a single vault, suggested to also exist in a second vault, and then also this one lady I guess had access to it, but no one else in the world had ever heard of or thought to use it. Still don't understand how Vault 32 got magically cleaned up overnight. Was it supposed to be the overseer lady and that guy from Severance working all night to completely clean and stock the whole vault? Still don't understand why the water chip thing came up or was resolved. Moving half the people to the other vault means they'll take twice as long but they're still out of water in 4 months. I understand what they were going for with Vault 4, but I really hate manufactured drama that could have been avoided if characters acted like normal human beings and just had a frank 20 second discussion instead. The whole stapling an old rotten finger onto Lucy and it being fine and working normally didn't make any sense to me at all. And was kind of gross. It's one thing for a ghoul to do that, but normal humans? *I realize that Todd probably isn't personally responsible for every lore and business decision made. He isn't literally going into the writers room and crossing poo poo out of the scripts. But Bethesda insisted on some creative control, and he's kind of the personification of Bethesda, so its easier to just call him out by name.
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Bussamove posted:More Thaddeus next season or I riot. this was pretty obviously not accidental, he knew what he'd tone to Thaddeus ('that's not a problem for you any more is it")
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i took the water chip thing as like 99% gag/F1 reference since they didn't spend any time on it after that initial scene the show is pretty loose with presenting things that they never explain and I suspect it's a purposeful decision so they don't get bogged down having to ground videogamey things in reality. stimpaks are an obvious example but maybe it extends to the fingers, etc etc. maybe everything operates on game logic at a fundamental level? also I saw a tweet earlier of someone noting that many (most?) of Lucy's conversations seem to contain speech checks and I wonder if that was intentional at all and if other characters were written that way.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I enjoyed it overall, a lot better than I was expecting. Still don't know how Moldaver is still alive 200 years later. Was freezing people a common technology? It seems to be used in a single vault, suggested to also exist in a second vault, and then also this one lady I guess had access to it, but no one else in the world had ever heard of or thought to use it. It's not laid out, but based on what the show tells us it's the most plausible scenario. Still don't understand how Vault 32 got magically cleaned up overnight. Was it supposed to be the overseer lady and that guy from Severance working all night to completely clean and stock the whole vault? Not explained but one plausible explanation is that Bud's buds were thawed out and put into service. Still don't understand why the water chip thing came up or was resolved. Moving half the people to the other vault means they'll take twice as long but they're still out of water in 4 months. Really feels like there's a "scene missing" on this one since it's set up and never directly mentioned again. It could be the partial impetus for the vault split. For that matter does 32 have a chip they could have harvested? Can they just "import" from 32? The whole stapling an old rotten finger onto Lucy and it being fine and working normally didn't make any sense to me at all. And was kind of gross. It's one thing for a ghoul to do that, but normal humans? Injuries and healing work on video game logic. Snip Snip saw that Lucy had a debuff, and used the Medicine to fix it.
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One world related thing I think they could work on, although it's kinda too late, is that being a ghoul is way too good of a deal right now. You only need to procure what seems to be a fairly plentiful daily dose of a drug which I'm assuming is still being manufactured to some extent since it's 200 years later and a couple of bums have boxes of it lying around. Do that, and you're immortal, and very hard to kill compared to a normal human - immune to radiation, and can regenerate pretty much any injury including severed body parts. It seems like the only way to kill a ghoul would be to cut off it's head, or something. Cooper shrugs off several bullet wounds in the Filly showdown, and Thadeus instantly regenerates from a fatal neck impalement. The downsides are only - need the drug or you go crazy, and also you start turning ugly but in the wasteland, who really gives a poo poo? edit: Like a good downside might be, regardless of the drug, ghouls periodically go insane/cannibalistic and then calm down to their original persona, but remember it all, so end up sort of crazy anyway. So if you're a ghoul there's always say, 25% of the time you're just not in control of your behaviour. Although that's a total rewrite, just an idea. roomtone fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 15, 2024 |
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Gaspy Conana posted:i took the water chip thing as like 99% gag/F1 reference since they didn't spend any time on it after that initial scene The water chip was an easily manufactured and then solved crisis Betty could use as a way to get she votes for Overseer she needed. Make it public, assure everyone she can solve it because of her advantage having “grown up” in Vault 31, then fix it after the election. It’s the same reason the raiders were kept alive— the looming question of what to do with them created pressure to vote for the safe option. Then once they weren’t useful anymore they were conveniently poisoned. Things needed to look glum so they’d vote 31.
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Not every ghoul is a trained killer with a marine service record and decades of bounty hunting experience. If you turned into a ghoul when you were 70 with arthritis and back pains it could be a pretty poo poo deal especially when several places still have kill on site orders.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I think the whole NCR thing is mostly about first impressions. You don't get a single direct reference to game events for a few episodes, and when you finally do, all you do get is a sign that says Shady Sands in front of a giant crater. It absolutely comes off as Todd* wiping the slate clean of pre-Bethesda lore. And a lot of initial complaints were by people hadn't even finished the show yet and that's as far as they thought it went. Turns out that wasn't exactly the case and it's explained a lot more later, but first impressions matter. The overall NCR hateboners from the CSAM posters are as predictable as they are eyeroll worthy. Oh my god, a government has problems with corruption and isn't perfectly equitable? That certainly isn't a thing that effects every single form of government that has ever existed! In that case we'd all be so much better off if it never existed, and anyone who questions deleting it is probably just some idiot stan. Sure. If it wasn't for their wretched corruption and imperialism everyone in California could be living the same blissful life as diaper farmer and his 4 dead tato plants. I think inventing ridiculous grudges for a videogame company management (and bringing in drama from some forum madhouses) is silly. It is just a kick for a story to be told about a new power vacuum in the region. counterfeitsaint posted:Still don't know how Moldaver is still alive 200 years later. Was freezing people a common technology? It seems to be used in a single vault, suggested to also exist in a second vault, and then also this one lady I guess had access to it, but no one else in the world had ever heard of or thought to use it. There are still flashbacks to be had next season regarding what Cooper told her and the fate of her commie club but I'd guess she somehow allied with House, especially with the cryogenics ad on the Topps casino in the end credits. counterfeitsaint posted:The whole stapling an old rotten finger onto Lucy and it being fine and working normally didn't make any sense to me at all. And was kind of gross. It's one thing for a ghoul to do that, but normal humans? Stimpacks magically heal pretty deep wounds in this world so a robot doing this kind of surgery makes as much sense Gaspy Conana posted:also I saw a tweet earlier of someone noting that many (most?) of Lucy's conversations seem to contain speech checks and I wonder if that was intentional at all and if other characters were written that way. This and D&D: Honor Among Thieves make me happy there has been a generational change in writer rooms so we can have more than surface-level gags in game adaptations that poke at the original medium.
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hawowanlawow posted:Thaddeus was hella funny, surely we'll see him again, get some good "becoming a ghoul and freaking out" scenes The thing that salesman gave him was probably FEV so the guy may also get some GAINZ by next season and become a supermutant
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I'm really impressed how naturally they incorporated so much video game poo poo without it seeming out of place or drawing attention to it, same with the use of items. If you want to pause and look through the props you can, but they don't stop the plot for five minutes to shove your nose in a memberberry patch. It's using the setting so of course there's tons of stuff from the games in there, they manage to have it in there because it's Fallout so of course it's there, rather than making a big deal about it. The (last episode) 20 second dramatic pause and zoom in on Cooper's wife saying the war never changes line was the only time I think they flubbed that. That kind of poo poo could've been all over the show and ruined it, thankfully they were smarter than that.
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Bussamove posted:More Thaddeus next season or I riot. I love that this was an extended punchline for The foot healing serum he tried to sell to Wilzig and Lucy would have actually worked.
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roomtone posted:One world related thing I think they could work on, although it's kinda too late, is that being a ghoul is way too good of a deal right now. You only need to procure what seems to be a fairly plentiful daily dose of a drug which I'm assuming is still being manufactured to some extent since it's 200 years later and a couple of bums have boxes of it lying around. Ghouls were, originally, actual walking corpses. Yeah you're not going to age but I remember there being some background comments in the first two games about how sometimes your arm will just fall off because its slowly rotting. If you have the means of taking very, very good care of yourself it could potentially be not too bad, but who is able to do that in the wasteland? The fact that all ghouls will eventually go feral was added by Bestheda, and it was a decent addition I thought. I was hoping we'd get to see a Glowing One as well, the other possible eventual fate for ghouls. Maybe next season. Technically there is a third possible fate for a ghoul: A tree sprout could start growing on your head, and it slowly gets bigger as you walk across the country until it gets so big you collapse under the weight and are pinned in place as the tree grows and grows around you and you're stuck there and can't die but the tree makes the entire area around you green and lush and a weirdo cult shows up one day and worships you and the fertile area you've created and ignores your pleas to end your suffering until a vault dweller shows up one day and finally delivers sweet, merciful death. But that's only happened one time that we know about.
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So the reveal in the last episode that the macguffin was cold fusion... this is a different kind of room-temperature fusion than the "fusion core", which we're shown can power Vault 4 for over 200 years? Or were we meant to understand that this was all about rediscovering the tech to build new fusion cores?counterfeitsaint posted:I enjoyed it overall, a lot better than I was expecting. These things all hit me about the time I started the final episode, at which point I said "wait, gently caress this show" and turned it off. Finished it the next night, still enjoyed the show and felt like it captured the Fallout feel pretty well (including a good leavening of goofiness), but these things in particular sorta bugged me.
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I kind of felt like at the last minute someone crossed out "clean water" mcguffin from the script and replaced it with cold fusion after they realized that clean water access had been used too many times in Fallout already. Even the reactor thing at the end has bubbling water behind it for some reason, and really reminded me of Fallout 3.
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counterfeitsaint posted:Even the reactor thing at the end has bubbling water behind it for some reason, and really reminded me of Fallout 3. I don't know if it makes any sense, but it was kinda similar to the cold fusion machine from the movie chain reaction 
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I’m about halfway through and really enjoying it! I made the mistake of posting about the show on Reddit, regarding the retcon issue. Man I forgot how insufferable gamers are.
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TIP posted:I don't know if it makes any sense, but it was kinda similar to the cold fusion machine from the movie chain reaction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion It's fake, but hey it's a show about 50's super science with super mutants and ghouls.
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Bussamove posted:The water chip was an easily manufactured and then solved crisis Betty could use as a way to get she votes for Overseer she needed. Make it public, assure everyone she can solve it because of her advantage having “grown up” in Vault 31, then fix it after the election. It’s the same reason the raiders were kept alive— the looming question of what to do with them created pressure to vote for the safe option. Then once they weren’t useful anymore they were conveniently poisoned. No its literally just a joke about fallout 1 and nothing else, at best a tool to show the audience that the meritocracy system they talk about are incompetent and not what has been running the show. Seemed pretty obvious to me that the whole system is rigged such that a vote doesn't even get counted in the first place. I've up to episode 6 so far and to add some thoughts, I've never really like the feral ghoul changes to be honest as the whole premise to me was that despite looking like horrible zombies, the ghouls were the first to set up and establish a stable society and until the Master shows up to occupy them and set up some race politics, are genuinely the good and welcoming people of the wasteland. Its a pretty simple method of undercutting the idea of the fallout wasteland creating hard and cruel people and instead it just creates a lot of weirdos. I do understand the frustration with the NCR, obviously I don't know how it turns out but there were a lot of different things to do with the stablish government of the wasteland. The best parts of the setting was the acts of rebuilding and stabilizing things and it's a big part of what made New Vegas so compelling was that larger ideological strife to restoring humanity. I'm not like angry or anything but there's a sense of ownership of a player who personally took steps to building it and disappointment that that it was just scorched earth, its what makes an RPG so engaging in the first place. I mostly wished something more interesting had been done to how they fall if that was the path they were going. Obviously the timeline is weird about New Vegas not happening but whatever. I did laugh outload when they finally show the NCR flag and the fallout 3 main theme kicks in, the game that very much does not feature the NCR at all. I definitely think the show only gets engaging after episode 3 though, the jumping around between 3 plots and the repeated use of 'fallout radio song plays while travel sequence' happens gets grating. Weirdly enough when that stops and the characters get to sit down and talk and act the show really improves and becomes engaging. So basically when Matt Berry shows up really. kingcom fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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kingcom posted:
That guy's going to show back up at the end of season 2 with an rear end in a top hat with a smg and a ranger in a gas mask, extremely upset about what bullshit the vault's been up to. Katja's never survived more than one fight so she'll stay dead. RBA Starblade fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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RBA Starblade posted:That guy's going to show back up at the end of season 2 with an rear end in a top hat with a smg and a ranger in a gas mask, extremely upset about what bullshit the vault's been up to. If the show ends with Maclean being gunned down by friendly fire from Maximus as he stands 2 feet behind her, it will be the most authentic fallout experience possible.
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That's because Harold wasn't a ghoul, but an FEV mutant. Same incident that caused the Master.
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kingcom posted:If the show ends with Maclean being gunned down by friendly fire from Maximus as he stands 2 feet behind her, it will be the most authentic fallout experience possible. Annihilate the 4th wall Funny Games style by having her stand back up and go "not like this" while the load game screen appears.
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I'm hoping Season 2 has Wayne Newton as Mr. New Vegas filling in for... Mr. New Vegas.
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Fun fact: Prior to its release, original Fallout game advertised front-and-center that its character/rules system was the GURPS (Generic Universal Role Playing System) by Steve Jackson Games. There was a falling out over the content approval process, allegedly in part because SJG objected to the gory content of the game, and Interplay dropped the licensing agreement and reworked the mechanics to the SPECIAL system. I wonder if Steve Jackson has spent this last week kicking himself.    
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kingcom posted:
There needs to be at least something of a base that wants Betty to be overseer or the narrative Bud’s Buds set up falls apart. Only two people in 33 know what’s going on with the three vaults, and presumably several people counting votes— it doesn’t make much sense to let one of the candidates count them herself, and one woman who just had a baby isn’t really in a position to. People not in the know are going to be involved. They painfully spell out that everyone has been conditioned to believe that Vault 31 has more resources and better education than 32 or 33 and thus produces people most qualified to be overseer. And because they believe they live in a pure meritocracy they blindly go along with it. Like yeah it’s definitely a reference but calling it “literally just a joke” is ignoring basically everything they set up about how 31 maintains control with manufactured disasters that conveniently happen so Bud’s Buds can step in and save the day.
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