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madmatt112 posted:This is not me trolling, I’m legitimately earnest in this: am I like the only person here who is of the opinion that Russia are the territorial aggressors & very much in the wrong (and that Ukraine is definitely being illegally attacked and war crimed) and also that Israel is an evil apartheid war criming ethnostate currently doing a genocide?? the situation didnt start a couple of years ago
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madmatt112 posted:ok hi I’m back like a dumbass but I’m in it now. The big thing that’s not talked about but very apparent if you look at the GDP of post soviet countries is that with the exception of Russia they were hollowed out by neoliberalism, and Ukraine in particular had the fastest drop in life expectancy in living history as a result. The leadership were western puppets, until the puppet in Russia realized that they still had the leftover weapons, population and material capacity from the USSR to gently caress it let’s be legends and reject the only offer, which was let yourself get hollowed out- Putin unlike the rest of the western puppets in post soviet states is a true believer in Russian nationalism and had the acumen to pull something off, so this is the last gasp. The same hollowing is happening in the west too, it’s just decades instead of years slower because capital can’t just instantly strip out the copper wiring of the imperial core. But the violent spasms of the neocons in the US are driven by the same impulses of trying to do raw imperialism with the big rear end army we have to stave off the hollowing out by capital that has broke free of most mechanisms of national control. Russia just has far less time. It’s just an inevitable product of capitalism and imperial decline. Lenin is actually to my knowledge the theorist that really distills the gist of it and is still mostly current in his theory on that area but I could be wrong I’m not a huge theory guy. Also I think it’s cool people should post to figure out what the difference is over a viewpoint and it’s cool that even though this is the politics shitposting forum there’s imo by far the best actual discussion Butter Activities has issued a correction as of 04:48 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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wow pretty soon social darwinism is going to be indistinguishable from fully understanding the core of international politics
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ded redd posted:i feel like the ukrainian-palestinian support position would be more tenable if that were reflected by ukrainians themselves 🇺🇦🇵🇸 is the anarchist position, so of course it's incoherent
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:The big thing that’s not talked about but very apparent if you look at the GDP of post soviet countries is that with the exception of Russia they were hollowed out by neoliberalism, and Ukraine in particular had the fastest drop in life expectancy in living history as a result. The leadership were western puppets, until the puppet in Russia realized that they still had the leftover weapons, population and material capacity from the USSR to gently caress it let’s be legends and reject the only offer, which was let yourself get hollowed out- Putin unlike the rest of the western puppets in post soviet states is a true believer in Russian nationalism and had the acumen to pull something off, so this is the last gasp. The same hollowing is happening in the west too, it’s just decades instead of years slower because capital can’t just instantly strip out the copper wiring of the imperial core. But the violent spasms of the neocons in the US are driven by the same impulses of trying to do raw imperialism with the big rear end army we have to stave off the hollowing out by capital that has broke free of most mechanisms of national control. Russia just has far less time. It’s just an inevitable product of capitalism and imperial decline. Is that why the Russians are doing better now before the war? It seems like it is working out for them.
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Sancho Banana posted:Israeli operation names just keep getting more and more creatively bankrupt every year a whole bunch of guys who were in office buildings when it happened are going to get a ribbon or medal aren't they lmao
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madmatt112 posted:This is not me trolling, I’m legitimately earnest in this: am I like the only person here who is of the opinion that Russia are the territorial aggressors & very much in the wrong (and that Ukraine is definitely being illegally attacked and war crimed) and also that Israel is an evil apartheid war criming ethnostate currently doing a genocide?? Wrong thread
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as many others have posted now it is time to move Ukraine chat to the Ukraine thread unless it is directly relevant to the situation with Palestine
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madmatt112 posted:ok hi I’m back like a dumbass but I’m in it now. The short of it is that NATO / The West wanted to expand its sphere of influence into Ukraine, in order to further strangulate Russia. When it looked as though their government would push back against being drawn into the Western orbit, that government was overthrown by a Western-backed coup. When the eastern parts of the country refused to go along with the new government, they were declared separatist rebels and were bombed and shelled for the next eight years since 2014. The new Ukrainian government and its erstwhile Western allies refused to cooperate with attempts to resolve the disputes in a peaceful manner, and we know with hindsight that whatever accords they did sign was only intended to buy them time for Ukraine to arm and build its armies against a confrontation against Russia. Given the untenable relationship, Putin decided to resolve the issue through force of arms. That's not a flat-out endorsement that Putin absolutely should have used a military invasion in order to stop the process of Ukraine becoming fully integrated into NATO (at the expense of its eastern, Russian-speaking peoples), but the West does bear some responsibility for letting things get as bad as it did. As of 2024, the position is very much that both sides should come to a negotiated settlement, even if it means Ukraine has to give up some of its pre-war territory, because any further prolonging of the conflict will simply consume more Ukrainian lives for nothing in return. The pro-Western view would counter this by claiming that Putin seeks to kill every single Ukrainian he can get his hands on, and so it would be worth it to fight Russia even at the cost of every single Ukrainian, because the alternative is that they're all dead anyway, but that is not true. EDIT: ah gently caress please don't nuke me I posted this right before the moratorium one post above. I'll stop here.
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Ardennes posted:Is that why the Russians are doing better now before the war? It seems like it is working out for them. Yeah being cut off from western financial infrastructure turned out to be a full on net positive lol They got kicked out of the neoliberal suicide pact Ed: same, sorry about that
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:The big thing that’s not talked about but very apparent if you look at the GDP of post soviet countries is that with the exception of Russia they were hollowed out by neoliberalism, and Ukraine in particular had the fastest drop in life expectancy in living history as a result. The leadership were western puppets, until the puppet in Russia realized that they still had the leftover weapons, population and material capacity from the USSR to gently caress it let’s be legends and reject the only offer, which was let yourself get hollowed out- Putin unlike the rest of the western puppets in post soviet states is a true believer in Russian nationalism and had the acumen to pull something off, so this is the last gasp. The same hollowing is happening in the west too, it’s just decades instead of years slower because capital can’t just instantly strip out the copper wiring of the imperial core. But the violent spasms of the neocons in the US are driven by the same impulses of trying to do raw imperialism with the big rear end army we have to stave off the hollowing out by capital that has broke free of most mechanisms of national control. Russia just has far less time. It’s just an inevitable product of capitalism and imperial decline. fun detail: weirdos like the victims of communism losers calculate "holomodor" "deaths" in large part by taking pre famine birth rates and post famine population and just counting the negative delta as "deaths". if you do this with the collapse of the soviet union and the current population of the constituent states, you'll get over 100 million "lives lost" thanks to the tender ministrations of capital also putin was perfectly happy to do a neoliberalism to Russia the freaks here in the US and UK just refused to let him and cornered him into having to save his country lol edit lol ukraine war posters too enthusiastic for their own good, forgive me pls DeimosRising has issued a correction as of 05:16 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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post hole digger posted:not laughing at this because im mature. none of us laugh at it because we're mature. we launch because it's funny 
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https://x.com/jodi7768/status/1780005884841582650?s=46 Do you now, or have you ever, refused to condemn Hamas? From Los Angeles: https://x.com/btnewsroom/status/1779998139409166600?s=46 Pomeroy has issued a correction as of 05:23 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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Spergin Morlock posted:none of us laugh at it because we're mature. we launch because it's funny this is up there with the what are you gonna do, stab me? Images
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Weka posted:I understand they are servicing the F-16s again, but if they do stop long term there is no reason beyond racism to think Iraq cannot service their own planes. One only has to look at Iran's F-14s. The F-14 sale came with maintenance facilities, didn't it?
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Unironically if anyone actually “supports” Russia besides that permabanned “FLATTEN” guy I haven’t seen them, I know some people that support them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw8B0xjeq70 Putin's Russia has been support the Axis of Resistance for a long time. Without them Syria would probably have fallen to zionist terrorists. Before Iran really got their missile program going as strongly as currently, it was Russian ATGMs that Hezbollah used to defeat Israel's invasion in 2006. Also this banger from Palestinian wedding singer Mohammed al-Arani, sorry I couldn't find a version with lyrics and video, which shows a big wedding party all happily dancing away. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXMjtVnLD4o
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BrotherJayne posted:The F-14 sale came with maintenance facilities, didn't it? Not sure, but it's been 40 years since they could buy a part, so they have presumably been making their own. Like what even is a maintenance facility in this context? Some computers to plug into the onboard computers? Special tools? Nothing beyond the capabilities of the Iranian brain bros and consequently, their allies.
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It's been what, nearly 4 years since the UN embargo on the country w/r/t poo poo like weaponry ended, right? But I don't believe they've done anything like approach China or Russia for new planes. Maybe they're cooking up their own homegrown stuff like a lot of other previously beholden nations were and just not trumpeting it everywhere? 
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Nonsense posted:Operation Irony Shield 
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Al! posted:still lol that the average depiction of the idealized isreali is just an aryan superman/superwoman with different ethnocentric garb yes and the idealized description of the subcontinental woman is basically someone from the middle east lmao. Thats a given. There's a lot of indians so we tend to pop up everywhere.
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Weka posted:I know some people that support them. this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdxKgxJyuw
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so, I was wondering if anybody here has any clearer info on this whole binyamin achimair business? basically, the really insane pogroms the settlers were doing were ostensibly because this teenage settler went missing while tending his sheep and then was found dead, but it all feels very william of norwich to me and I'm confused on the timeline. does anybody know anything more concrete?
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DeimosRising posted:no one's going to yell at you really. we answer this question in that thread one or twice a month. there is a very complicated history behind the existence of the post soviet Ukrainian state, the ethnic cleansing of Russians in that state's borders, NATO expansion, the collapse and rebuilding of Russian society in the 90s and 2000s, etc etc that just doesn't belong here. no one really "supports" Russia apart from thinking Vlad has very kissable lips but they're the least bad actors in a farce of a war (and we all quietly harbor fantasies that isolation from the west, war economics, and cozying up to China will bring about Communism with Russian Characteristics even if we know it won't) tbf I also harbor fantasies that this links up with the palestinian liberation movement to defeat empire once and for all and impose socialism on america
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Okay why are there Jewish guys named vile shalom. What the gently caress is the trope of naming your kid phrases that are idk, slightly anti semitic? For lack of a better designation
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antisemetic phrases come from semetic languages through mockery, it's not super surprising to me that jewish names sound like jewish words
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That's not the surprising part. It's more that I've seen like three or four guys posted in this thread that have names derived from slurrs it seems. It's just an odd naming convention unless I'm missing something I mean Joseph Hitler not withstanding.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Okay why are there Jewish guys named vile shalom. iirc his actual name is Shlomo Vile so they didn’t have much choice on the Vile part knowing this does not stop me from remembering Vile Shlomo and laughing at least a few times a week
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If you make aliyah to Israel I guess you're expected to take on the worst name that immediately comes to mind I'm interested in if there's any serious cultural/historical origin behind the goofier chosen names or if its as simple as an American who owns 3 houses in Kansas choosing the name Swanson Fergalicious E: Good Citizen posted:iirc his actual name is Shlomo Vile so they didn’t have much choice on the Vile part Believing in nominative determinism but only in the case that naming your jewish son Gogo Slomo makes them 100% more likely to immigrate to Israel Neurolimal has issued a correction as of 06:48 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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sundaymorning posted:https://commons.com.ua/en/ukrayinskij-list-solidarnosti/ quote:we firmly condemn attacks on civilian populations – be they Israelis attacked by Hamas or Palestinians attacked by the Israeli occupation forces and armed settler gangs. Deliberate targeting of civilians is a war crime. Yet this is no justification for the collective punishment of Palestinian people, identifying all residents of Gaza with Hamas and the indiscriminate use of the term “terrorism” applied to the whole Palestinian resistance. Is this supposed to endear anyone to those wankers? It spends as much time talking about Ukraine as it does Palestine, it condemns Hamas and leaves out that the mob attack referenced was a Ukrainian FSB operation. It is typical liberal pablum that would have the Palestinians die nobly resisting and accepts whole cloth western narratives.
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Good Citizen posted:iirc his actual name is Shlomo Vile so they didn’t have much choice on the Vile part My god you're telling me I misremembered his name as Vile Shlomo? I thought he first name was Vile. gently caress
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