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I decided this year to be a man of convictions and rate people how I want to instead of copying draftniks which will just result me in having Jalin Hyatt #1 again but with a different name
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Apr 15, 2024 22:31
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Xavier Leggette is fun as hell. I don't think that is much of a reach. I can see how he got there, even if I dont agree. I still agree about Hyatt.
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Apr 15, 2024 22:33
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Doltos posted:I decided this year to be a man of convictions and rate people how I want to instead of copying draftniks which will just result me in having Jalin Hyatt #1 again but with a different name I like what you've done with the top 4 edge rushers. There's just no way to know which of them is going to produce with NFL coaching against NFL talent.
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kiimo posted:Leggette at 18 sure is somethin, I'll give ya that I absolutely love it. Legette, Wiggins and Wright getting big time love is fantastic. I like when the consensus is opposed, given how so much of the media shows so little deviation. You can tell they be copying each others' work
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Anyways, I'm gonna look ahead one year and say this: Luther Burden is gonna be a dawg.
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Getting mad at an unfinished spreadsheet for confusing Ray Davis of Kentucky for being from Kansas. (Devin Neal gonna destroy next year.) Seeing all the notes about wide receivers making me hype for the draft, and that's probably not even what the Titans will draft, just one of the better classes of those guys I've seen in awhile.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Anyways, I'm gonna look ahead one year and say this: The guy from next year's class that really stood out watching this year's film was Mason Graham, which isn't exactly breaking news but jesus Christ.
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Apr 16, 2024 14:22
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I know this thread is low on Xavier Worthy, but he might be the most fun receiver in this class. Just finished scouting him and that dude fucks.
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One of the most important mock drafts dropped. https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1780218751683612971?t=D-homEDhHkHRWkKwLn1LuQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/PSchrags/status/1780224545820975161?t=PlVOaU6_8xKlOG2g7HBlGQ&s=19
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Doltos posted:I decided this year to be a man of convictions and rate people how I want to instead of copying draftniks which will just result me in having Jalin Hyatt #1 again but with a different name You disparaged Hyatt last year and said he had bad hands with drops. I then went play-by-play, and posted the timestamps, for the game you said he had bad drops and disproved your foolish notion. In fact he has good hands. Hyatt is my fast and handsome son, you will not disparage him in the past then try and claim his love in the present.
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Sataere posted:I know this thread is low on Xavier Worthy, but he might be the most fun receiver in this class. Just finished scouting him and that dude fucks. He’s exactly the type of player where I’m not happy if the teams drafts him in the second but I’m ecstatic if the team drafts him in the fourth.
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wandler20 posted:One of the most important mock drafts dropped. I would absolutely hate this for the Bears lol I've even been bracing for "They pass on a WR to trade down" as a potential outcome and have mostly made peace with it as a possibility, but passing on Nabers specifically and doing it for a future second-rounder + the right to draft the fourth tackle off the board (who didn't play the position we'd be slotting him in at in college)...it'd be a lot to swallow
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xbilkis posted:I would absolutely hate this for the Bears lol Yeah, it's awful. The bears don't even need a LT that badly, let alone need to draft a RT to play there. I've found a few sites that compile a ton of mock drafts and the #9 is the one pick where there's just no consensus whatsoever.
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The Bears are interesting because WR isn't a strict need with Moore and Keenan Allen, although Allen is only on a 1 year deal. They desperately need another DE opposite Montez Sweat. Seems like a trade down candidate.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:You disparaged Hyatt last year and said he had bad hands with drops. I then went play-by-play, and posted the timestamps, for the game you said he had bad drops and disproved your foolish notion. In fact he has good hands. I like that not only were you wrong about that and dismissing obvious drops but he had like 10 drops last year with the Giants. I still liked him at #1 for his speed and body control despite the hands. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16iNzH-jSmheg0_TeD2Owe4ynV2yzvDJX8N8a6rE0-RA/edit?usp=sharing I mean I keep documents on this for a reason, I had him at #1. Doltos fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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I would trade up for MHJ Barring that I would take Odunze or Alt at 9 Barring that I would trade back to try and get another second this year. And shoot for Murphy. And get a receiver in the second. I don't like the edges this year outside of Turner and I question Turner's fit in this defense(can he play like 10-15 pounds heavier?). Verse, I don't trust olds who had to win through just power, and have no like bend against college players. Latu, I don't trust dudes with major neck injuries who play in the trenches. Good player tho.
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If odunze somehow made it to 9 and the bears don't draft him then lmao they are doomed to fail. Caleb Williams throwing to odunze, dj Moore, and Allen makes them an instant 10 top offense
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OK apparently Schrager recorded a podcast yesterday where he originally had Quinyon Mitchell slotted in as the Bears pick at 15 after passing on Nabers to trade down, so I can rest comfortably knowing he has zero intel on what the Bears are actually planning
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xbilkis posted:OK apparently Schrager recorded a podcast yesterday where he originally had Quinyon Mitchell slotted in as the Bears pick at 15 after passing on Nabers to trade down, so I can rest comfortably knowing he has zero intel on what the Bears are actually planning Lmao. It's not like they're a small market team that's never in the news
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If the Vikings take Bo Nix I'm gonna melt down
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Stop drafting Bo Nix ahead of Penix, what happened to this country?!
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Bears are interesting because WR isn't a strict need with Moore and Keenan Allen, although Allen is only on a 1 year deal. They desperately need another DE opposite Montez Sweat. WR is an enormous need for the Bears. As you noted they have Moore and a 1-year deal for an old Keenan Allen. Even if we assume they keep Allen for several more years and somehow Allen is productive for those years (an extremely unlikely event), they still desperately need a third WR.
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IcePhoenix posted:If the Vikings take Bo Nix I'm gonna melt down This should be true of any fan of any team until the third round.
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Dexo posted:I would trade up for MHJ My friend I agree. It’s so weird seeing some podcasters talk about the bears drafting one of the edges at nine over prospects like Odunze. There’s a decent chance at least one elite WR or LT prospect is available at nine for the bears. I’d much rather take that than one of the “meh” edge prospects just because of perceived need.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Stop drafting Bo Nix ahead of Penix, what happened to this country?! The idea of Bo Nix going in the first round makes me wonder if these people watch football
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It's not an enormous need, but it is a need. I think the Bears pass catchers would probably be better once they have a better passing QB throwing the ball. I like what I saw from Scott as a rookie on tape, I would take one of the 3 but other than that I'm not moved by getting like WR 4 vs getting like WR 8-9 or whatever. Keenan Allen as the slot option with Moore as the Main option and Scott to take the top off the defense is a workable top 3 assuming Scott shows any improvement from last year. I would like at least one more in the draft at some point, but I wouldn't call it an enormous need. Bears don't really have an enormous need just like 3-4 spots they could probably stand to upgrade or add depth.
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Sataere posted:The idea of Bo Nix going in the first round makes me wonder if these people watch football It might be more for the 5th year option than anything else.
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Bo Nix is not someone who I would bother trading up or otherwise aiming for the 5th year option. That man is 50 years old. you will know if he's going to work out at the NFL level fairly quick.
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Dexo posted:Bo Nix is not someone who I would bother trading up or otherwise aiming for the 5th year option. I'm not buying your draft smokescreens. 
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Dexo posted:It's not an enormous need, but it is a need. I agree with you that the WR will look a better with a good qb throwing to them. I still think WR is a significant need because the plausible best case scenario for the existing bears WR corp in 2024 is “solidly workable”. Then, in 2025, Allen will likely be gone or bad, and they are right back to where they started. If we assume you’re right that the Bears have no enormous needs and just have 3-4 spots to upgrade; then that’s even more reason to take Odunze over one of the edges. Odunze is BPA over any of the edges prospects.
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And next years edge class is significantly better by all accounts. I'd rather they take Murphy than any edge, but really I think receiver is a bigger long term need than it first appears.
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Coincidentally, there was an article in the athletic today about draft strategy, human biases, and the undervalued approach of trading down and acquiring future picks. Thought it was pretty interesting. quote:Richard Thaler, an economics professor at the University of Chicago who would win a Nobel Prize in 2017, and Cade Massey, a business professor then at Duke University. quote:“People outside the draft rooms only know about 55 percent of what goes into making up the grade,” Polian said recently. “They do not know the personality, the security issues, the medical issues. And they shouldn’t.” quote:A general manager might be more focused on his job security over the long-term direction of the organization. A head coach may believe unreasonably in his own ability to mold a player. Coordinators and position coaches want to add talent to their groups, while scouts may quite literally pound the table for the players they unearthed during the pre-draft process.
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I haven't seen Bo Nix mocked to anyone in the first round other than Denver for months
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Play posted:Coincidentally, there was an article in the athletic today about draft strategy, human biases, and the undervalued approach of trading down and acquiring future picks. It is interesting. Kind of explains why Belichek and Ozzie Newsome were the primary guys consistently trading down - they were the only GMs with enough job security to do it consistently and risk the heat.
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Dexo posted:It's not an enormous need, but it is a need. the bears really need a top-tier DE and the draft has none I'd be happy taking at 9
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IcePhoenix posted:If the Vikings take Bo Nix I'm gonna melt down The Vikings watching the NFCN become the most competitive it's been in decades and going "actually we just are fine with Sam Darnold plus a lottery ticket" would be incredible content. You know, for non Vikings fans.
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predicto posted:It is interesting. Kind of explains why Belichek and Ozzie Newsome were the primary guys consistently trading down - they were the only GMs with enough job security to do it consistently and risk the heat. Yeah, that makes sense. I would be extremely curious for someone to do the same analysis from the paper mentioned, but for 2004 - 2024. And see if there is any change in the numbers. The figure that jumped out to me the most is: quote:- Across all rounds, the probability that a player starts more games than the next player chosen at his position is just 53 percent. Not that starting more games is the end all be all of determining talent, but I mean that is insane. It's basically a coin flip. How are they still so bad at this?
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IcePhoenix posted:If the Vikings take Bo Nix I'm gonna melt down Every 4-5 days either someone posts a "the Patriots would want three firsts + a 2nd + Justin Jefferson to get to 3" take in the Vikings subreddit, or someone posts a "Vikings looking to move up with 11 + 23" in the Patriots subreddit and the fanbases snipe at each other for a while Basically it seems like they're desperate to not take Bo Nix, but it's not looking like there's any takers to get up to 2-4
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Play posted:Not that starting more games is the end all be all of determining talent, but I mean that is insane. It's basically a coin flip. How are they still so bad at this? We're all bad at this though. Because it's hard. You'll never account for all the variables that determine NFL success. Even if you're really, really good at scouting you're hitting at what high 50's, low 60's percentage? That's when you get to look at everybody. When you have 8 picks with a whole bunch of additional factors that we don't need to consider when doing ranking like needs, scheme, culture fit, whatever. It's gonna be lower. It's part of the reason I'm not a huge fan of drafting the BPA. Odds you've correctly identified the best pick available are real low. Take needs for now and the immediate future. Draft multiple of them.
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