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Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Super Waffle posted:

I feel like the dudes who have a problem with this are the same people who buy the 3rd party big titty "pin up" versions of Krieg commisars and naked Shadowsun

HEY.

HEY.

DONT YOU GO AFTER MY MUSCLE WAIFU SHADOW-CHAN

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Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
https://www.warhammer-community.com...ent=Chaos+Codex

Index Emperor's Children is real..........

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

Eej posted:

https://www.warhammer-community.com...ent=Chaos+Codex

Index Emperor's Children is real..........

seems like they werent able to produce the codex/models in time so they're delaying it.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

The Demilich posted:

I don't assume any youtubers have dignity.

I can't believe Tony Zaret predicted these events

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L--7S1s5hcQ

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
No they're probably a late edition introduction like Votann, World Eaters and Sisters.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Super Waffle posted:

I feel like the dudes who have a problem with this are the same people who buy the 3rd party big titty "pin up" versions of Krieg commisars and naked Shadowsun

They usually don't have any connection to the hobby at all ime

Assessor of Maat
Nov 20, 2019

Al-Saqr posted:

seems like they werent able to produce the codex/models in time so they're delaying it.

nah this is a stopgap just so people don't freak out over them not being in the main chaos marine codex. they'll almost definitely be one of the last books of the edition

of course, if we go and step into the muck to check on the usual idiot whiners they'll be making GBS threads their pants anyway, as is traditional

Wrr
Aug 8, 2010


I'm excited for female space Marines because who cares and gently caress the chuds but I really do not think that, after all the transforming done to make a person into a space marine, that there is any gender left. These walking fridges might appear male to our simple eyes but in reality their gender is Space Marine.

And, not to reduce gender to simply genitals, but there's no way any of them have any hogs either. That space could be used better for a third liver or something.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Wrr posted:

but there's no way any of them have any hogs either.

what do you think the geneseed is

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Assessor of Maat posted:

of course, if we go and step into the muck to check on the usual idiot whiners they'll be making GBS threads their pants anyway, as is traditional

I can only imagine the absolute shitstorm when the chuds find out about the queen in chess.

Samuel L. Hacksaw
Mar 26, 2007

Never Stop Posting
Assuming the emperor hates women, is it more misogynistic to exclude then from the super soldier program, or to include them but force-masc them?

If mother nature can turn proto- ovaries into balls, surely the emprah can turn ovaries into gene-seed.

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style
i don't think it's literally cum

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Filing down the rough edges on the imperium of man is probably less important than letting lovely people know that they're lovely and they need to stop. The bigger problem is that a lot of people out there think that what the empire does is good or ok instead of satire and criticism of a horrible and broken society.

Which is a bit separate from playing pretend with your plastic toys, and people should treat each other decently in a shared social space and not let whatever made up fiction get in the way of that.

bij
Feb 24, 2007

They could do it with a set of head swaps but make them extra craggly, service studded, and gnarly - just with an undercut or a twee bob.

Maybe a braid.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN
Turns out belisarius cawl gave all the new primaris Marines neko ears and giant eyes

Ashcans
Jan 2, 2006

Let's do the space-time warp again!

Yeast posted:

I'm often surprised with how weird people are over 40k.

We play Necromunda almost exclusively, and I'm yet to find a freak over years of playing. I think specialist games attract people who just love the settings and want to make cool stuff. I dunno.
Everyone I have actually met and played with at the local store has been very cool. There is someone who made an entire Ultramarine with female heads, including a converted Robute, and got nothing but compliments on her hard work (she is also a great hobbyist so it's all really well done and painted). I think a lot of these people are just loud online and probably very scarce in person. :shrug:

Wrr posted:

I'm excited for female space Marines because who cares and gently caress the chuds but I really do not think that, after all the transforming done to make a person into a space marine, that there is any gender left. These walking fridges might appear male to our simple eyes but in reality their gender is Space Marine.

And, not to reduce gender to simply genitals, but there's no way any of them have any hogs either. That space could be used better for a third liver or something.
This is something that is probably technically/lorewise mostly true, but the presentation and personality of Space Marines is very male coded- they are not actively portrayed as 'humans that have been altered beyond normal understanding of humanity' but as 'big cool dudes'. That being the case, there's a good argument that they should have similarly female-coded options available for people to play. You can say 'well strictly the genetic tampering turns all space marines into hulking neutered aberrations', but as long as the Space Wolves are being giant faux-viking bros that is separate from their visual and narrative space.

Spanish Manlove
Aug 31, 2008

HAILGAYSATAN

Ashcans posted:

Everyone I have actually met and played with at the local store has been very cool. There is someone who made an entire Ultramarine with female heads, including a converted Robute, and got nothing but compliments on her hard work (she is also a great hobbyist so it's all really well done and painted). I think a lot of these people are just loud online and probably very scarce in person. :shrug:

This is something that is probably technically/lorewise mostly true, but the presentation and personality of Space Marines is very male coded- they are not actively portrayed as 'humans that have been altered beyond normal understanding of humanity' but as 'big cool dudes'. That being the case, there's a good argument that they should have similarly female-coded options available for people to play. You can say 'well strictly the genetic tampering turns all space marines into hulking neutered aberrations', but as long as the Space Wolves are being giant faux-viking bros that is separate from their visual and narrative space.

A guy I know at my LGS was upset that in the new wild West themed mtg set they made Paul Bunyan a woman

Ominous Jazz
Jun 15, 2011

Big D is chillin' over here
Wasteland style

Spanish Manlove posted:

A guy I know at my LGS was upset that in the new wild West themed mtg set they made Paul Bunyan a woman

Paul Bunyan isn't real

Desfore
Jun 8, 2011

Confirmed at least one furry on the Smash team

Spanish Manlove posted:

A guy I know at my LGS was upset that in the new wild West themed mtg set they made Paul Bunyan a woman

I saw the preview of that card, and my first two thoughts were "Heh, that's kinda funny." and then "...Oh, someone is going to hate this."

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

sharkmafia posted:

It's not even a conundrum tbh, they should just do it

Anyone who freaks out about female space marines on the basis of 'lore' is being transparently disingenuous. Because GW already eviscerated the lore to make primaris happen, and these guys were apparently fine with that, or fine enough to not quit, anyway. So best for GW to just do the thing and ignore them

what about the basis of 'vibes''

smug jeebus
Oct 26, 2008

Ominous Jazz posted:

Paul Bunyan isn't real

Mods!?

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
I propose a middle ground to solve this conflict:-

Futaris Marines

sharkmafia
Aug 20, 2018

War and Pieces posted:

what about the basis of 'vibes''

i dunno, ask them what the heck that even means

anyway this is the latest model i've painted:



despite my efforts to thin my paints i can't seem to fully get rid of brush lines on flat panels on tanks, especially in cases like the vertical stripe on this where I have to make multiple corrections. I still do like how this turned out but that's very annoying. how do you all handle it?

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

I like the brotherhood thing. being able to yell MY BROTHERS. just guys being dudes. unforgivable that GW has made this illegal

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

Al-Saqr posted:

I propose a middle ground to solve this conflict:-

Futaris Marines

guy around here has a keeper of secrets with breasts and lovingly sculpted testicles that he names Futah’Nari whenever he enters it into tournament lists

GhastlyBizness
Sep 10, 2016

seashells by the sea shorpheus

Improbable Lobster posted:

They usually don't have any connection to the hobby at all ime

I think this is generally true, the whole outrage youtube ecosystem, but you also had a bunch of grogs/whales on Bolter and Chainsword pissing themselves with rage as well

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016

GhastlyBizness posted:

I think this is generally true, the whole outrage youtube ecosystem, but you also had a bunch of grogs/whales on Bolter and Chainsword pissing themselves with rage as well

Yeah it's shithead synergy where the same bitter grogs that have been complaining about everything for years are being joined by the outrage farmers who learned about Warhammer two days ago

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Youtube loves recommending clickbait poo poo, and thinks I need to watch every single video made about Stormcast getting cut and that one line from the Custode codex.

The Demilich
Apr 9, 2020

The First Rites of Men Were Mortuary, the First Altars Tombs.



Wrr posted:

I'm excited for female space Marines because who cares and gently caress the chuds but I really do not think that, after all the transforming done to make a person into a space marine, that there is any gender left. These walking fridges might appear male to our simple eyes but in reality their gender is Space Marine.

And, not to reduce gender to simply genitals, but there's no way any of them have any hogs either. That space could be used better for a third liver or something.

I'm very into the trans part of transhuman. Male, female, whatever, it no longer matters. After the plethora of chemical cocktail injections, new organs, and extreme surgeries, all you're left with is an acid spitting brick poo poo house of a semi humanish creature that has a single purpose: war DANCING!

thin blue whine
Feb 21, 2004
PLEASE SEE POLICY


Soiled Meat

Ashcans posted:

Everyone I have actually met and played with at the local store has been very cool. There is someone who made an entire Ultramarine with female heads, including a converted Robute, and got nothing but compliments on her hard work (she is also a great hobbyist so it's all really well done and painted). I think a lot of these people are just loud online and probably very scarce in person. :shrug:


I feel a majority of the freaks are the same who don't actually keep up with the lore or know much about 40k. It's like outraged gamers, who actually don't seem to like or know much about games at all (and probably don't play or are very good). In these nerd spaces there have always been people who are generally cool hobbyists, people who aren't as into it but enjoy the community aspect more than the hobby itself, and weirdos who are just really into the aesthetics of being a fan, for whatever reason. The latter seems to have gotten worse and more vocal over the last 20 years as some of this stuff has become more mainstream and with engagement farming that's come with social media.

Decorus
Aug 26, 2015

sharkmafia posted:

i dunno, ask them what the heck that even means

anyway this is the latest model i've painted:



despite my efforts to thin my paints i can't seem to fully get rid of brush lines on flat panels on tanks, especially in cases like the vertical stripe on this where I have to make multiple corrections. I still do like how this turned out but that's very annoying. how do you all handle it?

Cool mech!

Looks like your paint is a little bit thick, have you tried thinning it just the tiniest amount? Just making your brush damp before loading it with paint might be enough.

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

GhastlyBizness posted:

I think this is generally true, the whole outrage youtube ecosystem, but you also had a bunch of grogs/whales on Bolter and Chainsword pissing themselves with rage as well

Oh definitely, but it seems like generally people who are actually in the hobby are way more welcoming to non-cishet, non-white, non-men than they were back when I started in the hobby 15ish years ago. Even if the shitheads online are just as loud as they've always been they seem like they make up less of the community.

a fatguy baldspot
Aug 29, 2018

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

I like the brotherhood thing. being able to yell MY BROTHERS. just guys being dudes. unforgivable that GW has made this illegal

Yeah same if I’m being honest. There’s just something about the daddy issue lads that makes them appealing. But I recognize this is unfair to 50%+ of the species plus it would make the worst people mad so I don’t really care if they go with womenstartes.

Also the old models that everyone cites as being female space marines weren’t actually that, they were just called lady warriors or something like that. They’re clearly in what would be known as space marine armor, but it’s a valid argument to say they were proto sisters of battle too.

Nancy
Nov 23, 2005



Young Orc
I saw someone on twitter suggest that woke 40k fans (aka me) would be up in arms over Brothers of Battle.

Which is ridiculous because I would definitely include dudes with fluer de lis codpieces and armored jocks in with my rococo space nuns.

Pinwiz11
Jan 26, 2009

I'm becom-, I'm becom-,
I'm becoming
Tana in, Tana in my mind.



Nancy posted:

I saw someone on twitter suggest that woke 40k fans (aka me) would be up in arms over Brothers of Battle.

Which is ridiculous because I would definitely include dudes with fluer de lis codpieces and armored jocks in with my rococo space nuns.

:black101: yeah!

xtothez
Jan 4, 2004


College Slice

thin blue whine posted:

I feel a majority of the freaks are the same who don't actually keep up with the lore or know much about 40k. It's like outraged gamers, who actually don't seem to like or know much about games at all (and probably don't play or are very good). In these nerd spaces there have always been people who are generally cool hobbyists, people who aren't as into it but enjoy the community aspect more than the hobby itself, and weirdos who are just really into the aesthetics of being a fan, for whatever reason. The latter seems to have gotten worse and more vocal over the last 20 years as some of this stuff has become more mainstream and with engagement farming that's come with social media.

Arbitor Ian did a video on this topic recently, digging into how the darker side of social media interacts with the hobby. Definitely recommend a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4oW6CzIsIE

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I feel like you can achieve this already with some space marines and decals, or I guess freehand if you're that good.

Geisladisk
Sep 15, 2007

Yeast posted:

I'm often surprised with how weird people are over 40k.

We play Necromunda almost exclusively, and I'm yet to find a freak over years of playing. I think specialist games attract people who just love the settings and want to make cool stuff. I dunno.

I think weird regressive 40k chud freaks are almost exclusively a online phenomenon. I've yet to meet one in real life.

I think it's just a very small number of very loud online assholes. I'd bet most of them don't even play 40k.

xtothez posted:

Arbitor Ian did a video on this topic recently, digging into how the darker side of social media interacts with the hobby. Definitely recommend a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4oW6CzIsIE

This video is very good

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Geisladisk posted:

I think weird regressive 40k chud freaks are almost exclusively a online phenomenon. I've yet to meet one in real life.

I think it's just a very small number of very loud online assholes. I'd bet most of them don't even play 40k.

This video is very good
I think it’s a lot of why GW is so willing to cut bait. The person who painted ten squads of gay pride marines… bought ten squads of space marines

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Yeast
Dec 25, 2006

$1900 Grande Latte
Indeed, the people who whinge about how the culture is too woke or whatever are normally doing it over animated 40K or dawn of war videos on YouTube, earning GW exactly $0.

Or they’ve long since bought a 3D printer and are endlessly commenting on how they’ll never buy another GW model.

Again, earning them exactly $0.

They have literally nothing to lose by not acknowledging them.

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