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DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Orange Devil posted:

How does your monarchism square with the Arab monarchies by the way?

On the one hand, The Hashemites, Custodianship over Holy Sites and, their role in the Pentarchy,

"The Patriarchate calls upon the international community to intervene immediately to provide security and protection to the Christians of Jerusalem and to support the Hashemite Custodianship and its protection of the Jerusalem Holy Sites, including the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, which are being subjected to deplorable forms of violations and attacks at the hands of radical Israeli organisations."

Historically, Arab kingship is related to our own, like the Armenians and Ethiopians, because Abgar V of Osroene, of the Nabataean Arab Abgarid dynasty, was one of the first Christian kings. It was an Arab queen, Mavia, who installed Saint Moses as first Bishop amongst the Arabs. So, as far as the sanctity of kingship, I think they have a good case. Arabs generally got along with Christians better than Kurds and Turks did, and (from what I know) were generally fair in their dealings with Christian subjects. In more secular affairs, of course, their partnership with Lawrence and Allenby, then Glubb are some of the finest chapters in our shared history. Though, I'm not sure how that relates to our relationship with the Agas Khan, who saved Nott in Afghanistan. Ideally, they'd be complementary.

On the other hand, other than the Hashemites, I don't know much about the current monarchies. I get the impression I wouldn't think much of them. The Banu Hashim, generally, seem to be worthy of their office. The Al Saud, not so much. The Muhammad Alis in Egypt were Albanian, and were apparently well thought of...

I don't want to endorse whatever happened with their installation without knowing too much about it, other than Kitchener's victory at Omdurman and Sir Garnet's at Tell El Kebir.


They were against us at Tell El Kebir, but with us at Omdurman, so Egyptian monarchy is a land of contrasts, I suppose.

I suppose I'll defer to Al Saqr on this.

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Toph Bei Fong
Feb 29, 2008



ELTON JOHN posted:

had that sitting on my shelf since it came out but havent gotten to it yet. is it as good as the jakarta method

I'd say just as good, yeah. Definitely worth your time!

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Teacher being fired here for saying resistance against israel is justified.

Love all the statements included about how they need to council his students to make sure they weren't swayed by him in any way! Gotta make sure the propaganda stays in tact!!!

https://komonews.com/news/local/sea...ation-palestine

Mr SuperAwesome
Apr 6, 2011

im from the bad post police, and i'm afraid i have bad news

Leandros posted:

He was kind of a patsy iirc, they just recruited him to work on the nuclear project and gave him the hardware. He was unaware of the payload, and apparently so was Dutch intelligence. They were just really looking to please their master.

and he got whacked for it too died not long after in a mysterious motorcycle accident

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

I bet he came in his pants seeing it and thinking "wow imagine how worse the mudslimes are treated here". Lmao that the entire indian brainspace is essentially full of rural pettiness and a rancid version of 19th century nationalism.

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014

Toph Bei Fong posted:

I'd say just as good, yeah. Definitely worth your time!

noice i'll start it tonight

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?




lol the video is a pro-click. at every venue people are just walking right in behind the staff member telling lion too sir that they're "full."

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021
Its so cool that the BJPoid hindu nationalist just gloms onto the biggest losers in the world as their mentor.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

You'd think they'd want to pick a winner by suddenly rediscovering that Indians are really descended from the Afghan and Persian conquerors of yore, since the Taliban and Iran keep putting up Ws.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

thinking about stuff and I'm p' sure israel qualifies as a foreign enemy of the u.s. and that americans who support it qualify as domestic enemies of the u.s.

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

Owlbear Camus posted:

lol the video is a pro-click. at every venue people are just walking right in behind the staff member telling lion too sir that they're "full."

i think at one point they were going to let the white lady he was in with into one spot. what a racist place.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Tankbuster posted:

I bet he came in his pants seeing it and thinking "wow imagine how worse the mudslimes are treated here". Lmao that the entire indian brainspace is essentially full of rural pettiness and a rancid version of 19th century nationalism.

what happened to cause it to be like this? Was it internalised bullshit from the era of British rule or something deeper?

The Alchemist
Dec 12, 2010

Could it be that they looted the Super Sheep and Old Lady this early in the game!?

Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

Regarde Aduck posted:

what happened to cause it to be like this? Was it internalised bullshit from the era of British rule or something deeper?

well you gotta distract people while your buddies are looting the treasury dry. Generally indian integration has been successful enough that the middle class which would be a base for regional secession is now pan indian enough that their reactionary behavior is religion based. It doesn't help that our previous socialist government was pro palestinian so now the average youtuber nationalist has internalized how israel is good. A deeply stupid culture that should be made fun of.

The only time recently pakistanis have been getting Ws has been clowning on indians like that. The map thing posted 20 pages ago was the funniest example I can think of. A lot of indian troll support for Israel is unconditional so the israelis will piss on them because they are so offputting.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Voice of Labor posted:

thinking about stuff and I'm p' sure israel qualifies as a foreign enemy of the u.s. and that americans who support it qualify as domestic enemies of the u.s.

Sanlav
Feb 10, 2020

We'll Meet Again

Sadistic Hamster posted:

Do you have an article that details what happened to Mr. Corbyn in its entirety? I would like to read about what happened to him from an unbiased source.

Thank you.

I don't know that such a thing exists. It was a media driven gutting, Corbyn had no allies. He acted in good faith thinking his wide popular support, authentic personality, gravitas, and the fact he'd delivered historic gains in seats for Labor between 2015 and 2019 would make people have some perspective on the matter.

I'm pretty naive about the UK Parliament ins and outs, but there seem to be a dozen Sinema's and Manchin's in the Labour MP field. A number of them changed parties to lib-dem soc-dem etc parties that had stated they'd refuse to do a coalition gov't so long as Corbyn was the labour candidate. Others went to press to regurgitate their 'suspicions' of antisemitism. They kicked one labour MP out over it as an example, but mostly they ran headlines week after week about how Corbyn was doing socials with holocaust deniers and hugging Muslims until he narrowly lost to Boris effing Johnson in a gimme election where Brexit was a disaster, May underwhelming, and Corbyn broadly popular.

Labour could of defended him in any number of ways to close the miniscule margin he lost by, but that'd mean he'd be calling the shots about I/P right now. A number of Israeli orgnizations applied pressure to the Labour party to adopt language to make speech about Israel hate speech. They succeeded, and got Jeremy Corbyn to make the 2019 election about apologizing to British Jews for criticizing Israel. Every podium he got up on, someone had a question lined up. And when the rhetoric didn't destroy him on it's own, there was the internal party effort to lose on his behalf.

https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its-going-to-be-a-long-night-how-members-of-labours-senior-management-campaigned-to-lose/

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


What's a few sailors between friends

Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

The Voice of Labor posted:

thinking about stuff and I'm p' sure israel qualifies as a foreign enemy of the u.s. and that americans who support it qualify as domestic enemies of the u.s.

Please don't make Israel cool.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Apparently isreal is back down from striking iran?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Sanlav posted:

A number of Israeli orgnizations applied pressure to the Labour party to adopt language to make speech about Israel hate speech. They succeeded, and got Jeremy Corbyn to make the 2019 election about apologizing to British Jews for criticizing Israel. Every podium he got up on, someone had a question lined up. And when the rhetoric didn't destroy him on it's own, there was the internal party effort to lose on his behalf.

https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its-going-to-be-a-long-night-how-members-of-labours-senior-management-campaigned-to-lose/

Dual Loyalty is an antisemitic trope, but also organizations from Israel will lobby to have definitions of antisemitism changed and will throw money around to influence the political process.

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

Retromancer posted:

Please don't make Israel cool.

common now. nazi germany was technically a foreign enemy of the u.s. as well. being an enemy of the u.s. and being cool are two separate and distinct concepts like how it's possible to hate biden and trump

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Mr Hootington posted:

Apparently isreal is back down from striking iran?

Where are you seeing this?

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

NeonPunk posted:

Where are you seeing this?

no no he's saying they just got back from striking iran, a gay time was had by all

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

Fumble posted:

birthright of a nation.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Mr Hootington posted:

Apparently isreal is back down from striking iran?

im not seeing this anywhere

on the contrary from the last i read they approved a "forceful" strike whatever that means and were supposedly trying to get a date

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
So we talked about Israel's AI targeting app, Lavender, before, based on this article.
https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

This fellow has made an interesting observation about one offhand comment and what it implies about Meta's involvement.

quote:

https://blog.paulbiggar.com/meta-and-lavender/

A little-discussed detail in the Lavender AI article is that Israel is killing people based on being in the same Whatsapp group [1] as a suspected militant [2]. Where are they getting this data? Is WhatsApp sharing it?

Lavender is Israel's system of "pre-crime" [3] - they use AI to guess who to kill in Gaza, and then bomb them when they're at home, along with their entire family. (Obscenely, they call this program "Where's Daddy").

One input to the AI is whether you're in a WhatsApp group with a suspected member of Hamas. There's a lot wrong with this - I'm in plenty of WhatsApp groups with strangers, neighbours, and in the carnage in Gaza you bet people are making groups to connect.

But the part I want to focus on is whether they get this information from Meta. Meta has been promoting WhatsApp as a "private" social network, including "end-to-end" encryption of messages.

Providing this data as input for Lavender undermines their claim that WhatsApp is a private messaging app. It is beyond obscene and makes Meta complicit in Israel's killings of "pre-crime" targets and their families, in violation of International Humanitarian Law and Meta's publicly stated commitment to human rights. No social network should be providing this sort of information about its users to countries engaging in "pre-crime".

It's important to note that already Meta is taking extensive part in the Israeli-led and US-backed genocide, including significant and well-reported suppression of content supporting Palestinian freedom, as well a new anti-"anti-zionist" policy that is used to shut down dissent of Israel's crimes [4].

Why is Meta doing this? Why is Meta so happy to share metadata about group membership with Israel – a run-around the idea of a "private" social network – and to be complicit in the genocide?

Let's look at their leadership, in particular the three most senior leaders who have close ties to Israel.

Their Chief Information Security Officer, Guy Rosen, is their most senior policy decision maker. He is Israeli, lives in Tel Aviv [5], and was in the Israeli military in Unit 8200. Unit 8200 is the Israeli NSA and is the department that built and runs Lavender. Insiders tell me that Rosen is the person most associated with the anti-"anti-zionism" [4] policies, and is also responsible for the suppression of Palestinian content.

Mark Zuckerberg, Meta founder and CEO has also been a significant supporter of Israel's propaganda. Zuckerberg gave $125k to Zaka, one of the groups that created and continues to spread much of the original Oct 7 false atrocity propaganda, including the discredited "Oct 7 mass rape" hoax [6].

Meanwhile former COO and current Meta board member, Sheryl Sandberg, has been on tour spreading the same discredited propaganda [6]. Claiming her advocacy is for victims of sexual violence, she somehow ignores the long history of Israeli rape of Palestinians, especially in Israeli jails, where thousands of prisoners are held on "administrative detention" for months without trial or legal representation. Combined, these demonstrate that Sandberg's tour is about spreading Israeli propaganda which has been used to kill over 33,000 Palestinians, and is not about protecting women [7].

This allyship with Israel from the most senior parts of Meta's governance – CISO, CEO, and board member – sheds light on why Israel's military is able to get this information from WhatsApp, a supposedly "private" app.

Questions for Meta

To ensure that the world can trust WhatsApps claims of privacy and safety, Meta must answer the following questions:

Did Meta provide information (including inputs or training data) used by Lavender, Gospel, or Where's Daddy to the Israeli government?

How will Meta prevent private information being used by governments to kill WhatsApp users and their families?

Does Meta believe that Israel's actions towards civilians in Gaza and with Lavender comply Meta's Human Rights Policy?

If not, why has Meta not revoked all access to the Israeli government that may put civilians at risk?

Why has Meta not released their transparency report for the 2nd half of 2023?

What was the level of knowledge of WhatsApp metadata sharing with the Israeli government, including whether it was to be used for military purposes, among Meta leadership, including CEO Mark Zuckerberg and CISO Guy Rosen?

Will Meta immediately rescind access to any WhatsApp information from the Israeli government, army, and law enforcement?

Without answering these questions, it seems impossible to take seriously any claim that WhatsApp is a private messaging application.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

HallelujahLee posted:

im not seeing this anywhere

on the contrary from the last i read they approved a "forceful" strike whatever that means and were supposedly trying to get a date

This is why I had the question mark at the end

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Mr Hootington posted:

This is why I had the question mark at the end

fair enough

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
they cant strike iran (kill a bunch of iranian civilians via a terror attack) until the media all agrees to report on it the exact same way

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Egg Moron posted:

Agent Navarre is Israeli, just saying

Out.
Of.
Line.

She was born in Russia, but was trained by the Israeli army. I'm not entirely sure how and why that is though, if she moved to and grew up in Israel or if she just went there for spec ops training as part of some kind of Unatco exchange program. The Deus Ex Wiki says she was a former Israeli Commando but again, no idea if there's more info on that anywhere.

Weka
May 5, 2019

That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.
Here's a list of previous Israeli attacks on Iran I found illuminating. Highlights their capabilities. Notably no strikes from manned aircraft.

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran

On that subject, the IDF has their own fleet of tanker aircraft so I don't see why they would have to rely on American refuelling.

How!
Oct 29, 2009

Regarde Aduck posted:

what happened to cause it to be like this? Was it internalised bullshit from the era of British rule or something deeper?

I mean ghandi himself pretty didn’t much didn’t want to liberate Indians so much as prove they were white, too.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


evilmiera posted:

She was born in Russia, but was trained by the Israeli army. I'm not entirely sure how and why that is though, if she moved to and grew up in Israel or if she just went there for spec ops training as part of some kind of Unatco exchange program. The Deus Ex Wiki says she was a former Israeli Commando but again, no idea if there's more info on that anywhere.

Maybe she was a Russian Jew and immigrated to Israel where she refined her sociopathy

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Weka posted:

Here's a list of previous Israeli attacks on Iran I found illuminating. Highlights their capabilities. Notably no strikes from manned aircraft.

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran

On that subject, the IDF has their own fleet of tanker aircraft so I don't see why they would have to rely on American refuelling.

Because, if you read the report, Israeli tanking capabilities aren't up to the task of a major strike on Iran.

You could probably crunch the bomb load required on an F-15 for a strike against a nuclear facility, we know Israel has preferred the GBU-31(V)1/B, 2000lb JDAM of late. So, how many JDAMs on how many aircraft, how that impacts performance and range, and then how much tanking they'd need. I would wager that it's more than Israeli tankers could provide, and as the report states, refuelling would need to open over Iraq and Jordan, and the political implications for either country of letting Israeli tankers use their air space like that are pretty dire.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 20:12 on Apr 17, 2024

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

Weka posted:

Here's a list of previous Israeli attacks on Iran I found illuminating. Highlights their capabilities. Notably no strikes from manned aircraft.

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/2022/aug/11/timeline-israeli-attacks-iran

On that subject, the IDF has their own fleet of tanker aircraft so I don't see why they would have to rely on American refuelling.

Because the American fueler is always there, loitering

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

yeah its almost all assassination and sabotage they never had the balls to directly strike

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Americans also made the defence of Israel possible over the weekend by refuelling British, French, Jordanian and American aircraft who were on BARCAP or whatever.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
All these analyses of potential Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities seem to be assuming that the Iranians can't do anything to stop them? I mean, does Iran not assume that their nuclear sites might be targets, and have defensive capabilities in place around them? What am I missing?

Demiurge4
Aug 10, 2011

Pistol_Pete posted:

All these analyses of potential Israeli strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities seem to be assuming that the Iranians can't do anything to stop them? I mean, does Iran not assume that their nuclear sites might be targets, and have defensive capabilities in place around them? What am I missing?

The F-35 is a magical stealth fighter!

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Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://x.com/MSN/status/1780677870559346859

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