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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I've heard plenty of people claim that Scots isn't a real language Any real linguist would say that.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Any real linguist would say that. Big words from a Swedish speaker
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If a lone American teenager can prank the whole field for years, maybe there was nothing left to save.
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Angry Salami posted:Papua New Guinea gained independence from Australia in 1975, not the UK. I assume it's supposed to be independence from the UK or British Commonwealth countries because most of the Pacific ones are not direct from UK. Although in that case its missing Namibia.
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BonHair posted:Big words from a Swedish speaker Are you not Danish? If my memory happened to have failed me I apologise for this most gravest of insults.
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 Kaldellis' latest book is full of great maps. This is one of them. Also if you don't believe the Eastern Roman Empire was genuinely Roman you can gently caress off and go straight to hell
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:
the eastern roman empire wasn't genuinely roman because christ's immanentization is the culmination and perfection of creation and so any perceived history after the resurrection is merely the illusory web of the demiurge designed to keep us separated from the pleroma. therefore the eastern roman empire wasn't "genuinely" anything, except insofar as the "romans" are a generic term for the structures of control and suppression employed by yaldabaoth, in which case the byzantines but also richard nixon, the british empire, and all police officers everywhere, are likewise "romans."
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also i kind of want to see that map as an animated gif or something, it's hard for the numbers to pop out for me
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Tree Goat posted:the eastern roman empire wasn't genuinely roman because christ's immanentization is the culmination and perfection of creation and so any perceived history after the resurrection is merely the illusory web of the demiurge designed to keep us separated from the pleroma. therefore the eastern roman empire wasn't "genuinely" anything, except insofar as the "romans" are a generic term for the structures of control and suppression employed by yaldabaoth, in which case the byzantines but also richard nixon, the british empire, and all police officers everywhere, are likewise "romans." don't be a Dick
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Tree Goat posted:the eastern roman empire wasn't genuinely roman because christ's immanentization is the culmination and perfection of creation and so any perceived history after the resurrection is merely the illusory web of the demiurge designed to keep us separated from the pleroma. therefore the eastern roman empire wasn't "genuinely" anything, except insofar as the "romans" are a generic term for the structures of control and suppression employed by yaldabaoth, in which case the byzantines but also richard nixon, the british empire, and all police officers everywhere, are likewise "romans." All Romans Are Bastards Wait uh oh
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Anthony Kaldellis posted:The Greek literary tradition was another common patrimony over which these heirs of the ancient world contended. Arabic science and philosophy had shot ahead of their Roman counterparts, but continued to rely heavily on foundational ancient texts, which had to be translated from ancient Greek into Arabic, often via Syriac. This was an act of cultural appropriation, and the Muslim world imagined that its leading scholars were traveling to “Rum” in order to find manuscripts and teachers of Greek (though it is debatable whether they were actually doing so). The Arab essayist al-Jahiz (d. 869) polemicized against Romans who lay claim to the ancient Greek patrimony. Ancient texts, he says, were written by pagan Greeks, whereas the “Rum” were Christians and Romans. Some Muslim scholars claimed that contemporary Greek, which they called “the language of the Romans,” was a separate language from “Ionian,” which is what they called ancient Greek.101 On the papal side, pope Nicholas’ ghostwriter, Anastasius the Librarian, who knew Greek, translated a number of works into Latin, focusing on Christian literature. He saw this as an act of reclamation, of bringing Christian texts “back” into the Latin fold where they belonged, taking them away from the heretical and deceitful “Greeks” of the east.102 Thus, while the Arabs were appropriating Greek culture from the “Romans” (who were definitely not Greeks), Latins were appropriating Christian and Roman culture from “the Greeks” (who were definitely not Romans). That is what it looks like to be caught in the middle.
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Placeholder posted:Are you not Danish? If my memory happened to have failed me I apologise for this most gravest of insults. It'd be flattering to mistake a Dane for somebody whose language has a written form.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:
that's a lovely map
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Everyone who played Paradox games knows the Ottoman expansion by heart anyway so it's a pointless map
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:
They did a passable job making a map that is suitable for printing back in the days before color printing was readily accessible. For a modern map, it is... super lovely, and even for an older map it has a lot of unnecessary mess. Like why are all those tiny cities mentioned? Does anyone actually care that Naxos (population in 1450: probably like 10 guys + a goat) is labeled? Maybe it's relevant for the text but sweet chart clutter Jesus, split that map into multiple different graphics. That would go well as a textbook example of excessive labeling.
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Also Candia is not on Crete, it's in the middle of Calorum, between the Dairy Isles and Ceresia 
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Saladman posted:They did a passable job making a map that is suitable for printing back in the days before color printing was readily accessible. The terrain features don't help either.
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Naxos was an independent duchy so it makes sense to include it.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:
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Groda posted:It'd be flattering to mistake a Dane for somebody whose language has a written form. its more accurate to say we have two languages, but not in the manner of norway where there is some correspondence between the two, instead they are wholly incompatible. theres spoken danish, ie the infamous meaningless guttural sounds, and written danish, a sort of quaint throwback to how nerds thought we should speak centuries ago
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Carthag Tuek posted:its more accurate to say we have two languages, but not in the manner of norway where there is some correspondence between the two, instead they are wholly incompatible. theres spoken danish, ie the infamous meaningless guttural sounds, and written danish, a sort of quaint throwback to how nerds thought we should speak centuries ago Doesn't French have something equivalent, or is it just fiction that French teachers use to make you think you may have had to memorize even more verb forms?
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Carthag Tuek posted:its more accurate to say we have two languages, but not in the manner of norway where there is some correspondence between the two, instead they are wholly incompatible. theres spoken danish, ie the infamous meaningless guttural sounds, and written danish, a sort of quaint throwback to how nerds thought we should speak centuries ago So like English, kinda
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OddObserver posted:Doesn't French have something equivalent, or is it just fiction that French teachers use to make you think you may have had to memorize even more verb forms? French has a fetishistic attraction to the past participle, yes. In its most formal written uses you’ll still occasionally find other forms used, but even in everyday writing you won’t see the actual past tense.
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OddObserver posted:Doesn't French have something equivalent, or is it just fiction that French teachers use to make you think you may have had to memorize even more verb forms? Danish is definitely the French of the Germanic languages. Swedish and Norwegian are Spanish and Portuguese. English is Romanian, the weird joke no one wants to deal with
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Ras Het posted:English is Romanian, the weird joke no one wants to deal with I've always been interested as to why English is one of the most commonly spoken second languages. Is it just that the US (and to a lesser extent the UK/Canada/Australia) are wealthy nations so business is often conducted in English? edit: heres a reference from wikipedia. the top langauges are unsurprising, but the breakdown between 1st/2nd languages is interesting 
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I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one.
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drk posted:I've always been interested as to why English is one of the most commonly spoken second languages. originally UK colonialism, now US cultural hegemony
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OwlFancier posted:I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one. Sure, but that doesnt explain why so many western europeans speak English. I doubt it is out of their great love for the UK or US edit: ah perhaps its their great love for terrible american TV
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Carthag Tuek posted:US cultural hegemony I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one.
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Ras Het posted:Danish is definitely the French of the Germanic languages. Swedish and Norwegian are Spanish and Portuguese. English is Romanian, the weird joke no one wants to deal with ya this is pretty accurate
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OwlFancier posted:I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one. yeah sure, but its a second order effect.
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OwlFancier posted:I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one. they had a revolution, they can take the blame themselves
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drk posted:Sure, but that doesnt explain why so many western europeans speak English. I doubt it is out of their great love for the UK or US You don't have to love it to live in a world where shitloads of people speak it (because the brits occupied a shitload of the world and set up schools to teach the children of the local bigwigs how to speak english so they could better function in the colonial administration, which then post-independence still translates to significant institutional knowledge and use of the colonial language and it can remain a sort of prestige language because not necessarily everyone is a dyed in the wool anticolonialist to the point of deliberately rejecting all the cultural affectations of the colonisers) Also like, TV exists. Radio. A lot of prestige media in the 20th century was produced in english because of hollywood and the general US media industry, TV, movies, music, broadcast around the world in english.
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OwlFancier posted:I think you can probably blame the british empire for that one. It's both. The British Empire paved the way to US cultural domination, and british culture has a presence, but it's the culture of the US that you see first and foremost entrenched everywhere.
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Also technical stuff is often in English because of early US (and UK) successes in computing.
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And German failures in diplomacy. German would probably be the default language of chemistry and electrical engineering if if weren't for that period where a lot of international goodwill was burned, most of the 1880s-1920s stuff is compiled in that language.
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drk posted:Sure, but that doesnt explain why so many western europeans speak English. I doubt it is out of their great love for the UK or US If you don't live in a country that dubs media then 60%+ of all the movies and TV you see are going to be in English.
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Guavanaut posted:And German failures in diplomacy. That and they expelled or killed all the scientists and intellectuals for being either leftist or Jewish
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It's also useful in areas with a lot of different languages for everybody to learn the same second language. Who's going to take the effort to learn Dutch just to talk to Dutch people? Better to learn English and talk to people from all across Europe who have done the same, even if English isn't anyone's first language. I recently visited Croatia and almost everyone I interacted with spoke very good English, even though most of the tourists appeared to be Swiss. So while the root cause is the British Empire, I imagine the huge number of speakers is as much because English has achieved a critical mass and it's useful to everyone now as an international language.
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